I work for a local cable ISP. The Arris DOCSIS 3 modems seem to work great for us, but Motorola SB6121 was really flaky. I had an SB6121 that would frequently go into a state where downstream+upstream were locked on, but the Online light would blink forever. Not sure if it was a compatibility problem with a particular hardware revision, firmware revision, or CMTS + package, but it did happen to other people too. Never had any such problems with the Arris D3 modems and EMTAs we use now (CM820A, DG860P, DG860P2, TG862G EMTA, TM822G EMTA). All of those Arris models listed are doing 8 downstream channels just fine. SB6121 only does 4 downstream channels.
I'm not saying they're all crap, just the Touchstone DG1670 configured for Grande.Arris bought Motorola's set top box and cable modem operations, so are they both "crap?"
I am paying $40 for a 15mbps
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found this dude selling his SB6121 for $35, received it today, works great! and my speed bumped up to ~60mbps!!
You can't even compare the two, it doesn't take innovation to wire up a small area. It does take innovation to wire up a large area, AND keep the costs down.Prices. S Korea (a world leader in innovation) provides 100 Mb for $20 per month. Why is America typically 20 or 50 Mb for at least 2.5 times more money?
That logic was used by legacy (circuit switched) providers to not provide broadband. Underlying reality was well documented in a concept called "Death of Distance". Cost of a phone call from Washington DC to NYC is same as the cost of a call from Washington DC to Australia. That reality is contradicted by your 'greater distance' speculation - that is not supported by facts.You can't even compare the two, it doesn't take innovation to wire up a small area. It does take innovation to wire up a large area, AND keep the costs down.
That logic was used by legacy (circuit switched) providers to not provide broadband. Underlying reality was well documented in a concept called "Death of Distance". Cost of a phone call from Washington DC to NYC is same as the cost of a call from Washington DC to Australia. That reality is contradicted by your 'greater distance' speculation - that is not supported by facts.
That logic was used by legacy (circuit switched) providers to not provide broadband. Underlying reality was well documented in a concept called "Death of Distance". Cost of a phone call from Washington DC to NYC is same as the cost of a call from Washington DC to Australia. That reality is contradicted by your 'greater distance' speculation - that is not supported by facts.
Deceived consumers, who believed that 'higher cost' myth, then paid more than $1 per minute for an Australia call and only $0.15 for the NYC call. Even more shocking was that AT&T still could not report profits when their cost per minute on a $1+ or $0.15 call was less than one cent per minute. AT&T was also one of many companies who were forced, kicking and screaming, into providing internet (packet switching) technology. But that was before we decided to replace a free market with a duopoly.
Higher labor costs are another myth. Higher pay exists when productivity is higher. A famous front page article in the Wall Street Journal made this obvious. A company had to return to CT to rehire their employees that cost five times more. That company was going bankrupt due to employees that were paid one-fifth.
Rather than provide better service, a lack of free market competition means America's internet services are dropping compared to the rest of the world - while internet providers are reaping record profits.
World communication leaders provide consumers with 100 Mbs at $20 per month. Easily achieved in America if competition had not been intentionally subverted. Especially since America long had excess backbone capacity. Data rates were and are still limited by the 'last mile' providers. OP pays $40 for a 15mbps connection.
Meanwhile a man who subverted a free market, Michael Powell, is now a chief lobbyist for the Cable industry. Some believe America should increase profits (enrich the rich) rather than provide the common man with superior services.
Wrong. Costs included cost of installation. That (ie capital financing) was automatically included. No 'in place infrastructure' existed. Costs included installation of technology that did not previously exist. What resulted is known as 'Death of Distance'.That's a completely unrelated matter. You're talking about the service cost for in place infrastructure. He's talking about costs to lay new cable. Two completely different things.
Wrong. Costs included cost of installation. That (ie capital financing) was automatically included. No 'in place infrastructure' existed. Costs included installation of technology that did not previously exist. What resulted is known as 'Death of Distance'.
Cost of cable (long distance or short) became trivial for numerous technical reasons. Many, using subjective reasoning, have trouble grasping this reality. Subjective reasoning is why so many have trouble grasping change. America's increased costs and lesser bandwidths are traceable to intentionally subverting free market competition.
World communication leaders provide their consumers with 100 mbs at $20 per month. America has now dropped to below 20th in the world with a slower internet that costs more money (ie 15 mbs for $40).
Naive will post one sentence 'cheapshot' and subjective denials. OP's numbers demonstrate what facts also define: America's internet access has now dropped to below 20 in the world. A lesser bandwidth now costs more.
we just got comcast. Fuck paying $10 a month for shitty mode/router so i got a SB6121. not a bad price of $40.
Though after i got it i remembered i had VOIP so i lost that. ohwell no big loss.
You can't even compare the two, it doesn't take innovation to wire up a small area. It does take innovation to wire up a large area, AND keep the costs down.
If America was the size of S. Korea, and paid everyone the same as S. Korea, then you would understand, since it is MUCH easier to wire up a small, dense area, but to do the same on such wide open land that the USA has, and your costs skyrocket, labor costs alone are 3-10x+ higher.
I remember that Catapult (former Apple employees) had trouble releasing the XBAND Videogame Modem in Japan because so few were able to use home phone lines for something like that. It seems that a lot of phones are "common" in the urban areas, meaning, shared with other people on the same floor of a high-density residential building. That would, of course, promote other alternatives to roll out to the masses sooner than other places.and giving that to the big cities stops them because?!?!?!?
they are greedy
as hell
back in 1995 i was talking with some japanese and after a while i asked them about their internet
so the guy got the cheapest package for 10$ per month form 10mb line
while i was paying for 28.8k modem connection 25$
not only i was buying more but i was getting extremely less
he had 350 better speed at 2.5 times less money
so the internet in greece was 875 times more expensive than japan
a country with a salary 300$ per month
so it was plain greed of the telephone company and providers not upgrading their network just milking the consumers
with he salary difference between greece japan even if they give us the same internet they were going to earn more
I remember that Catapult (former Apple employees) had trouble releasing the XBAND Videogame Modem in Japan because so few were able to use home phone lines for something like that. It seems that a lot of phones are "common" in the urban areas, meaning, shared with other people on the same floor of a high-density residential building. That would, of course, promote other alternatives to roll out to the masses sooner than other places.
In 2000 I read that Toyota was their largest ISP and that Japan was decidedly behind the USA in household Internet access particularly because of the phone line thing. I guess that 10mb $20 deal wasn't available to too many there.
That said, I got a 512k cable modem here for $30 a month around the launch of the Pentium III (Feb 1998) and I wasn't complaining.
It matters if you are selling a product exclusively for home use which requires Internet access. Remember the problem when even the retail copies of Half-Life 2 required home Internet to activate over Steam? I met real actual people who bought the game and couldn't play it. They never felt the need for home Internet before that because they used it at work/school and, suddenly, home Internet mattered.and does it really matter internet in houses?
bottom line they have better internet if usa has more connections good for you but good for japan for their speeds
It matters if you are selling a product exclusively for home use which requires Internet access. Remember the problem when even the retail copies of Half-Life 2 required home Internet to activate over Steam? I met real actual people who bought the game and couldn't play it. They never felt the need for home Internet before that because they used it at work/school and, suddenly, home Internet mattered.
It's also why Cyber Monday is on a Monday (more people online during workdays).
10mb 10$ it was and it was the cheapest you could get at that time 1995
now japan is moving into GIGABIT internet of course it will be available first in big cities and slowly expand to the rest of the country
maybe they did not have internet in their homes but you know most of the people i was speaking they spent more of the time in the work so i imagine they were playing form the work lol
different countries different cultures and that apply at the work place
while in west they limit your access to the computer and internet so to be sure you work in japan there is trust which is not abused yet
and does it really matter internet in houses?
bottom line they have better internet if usa has more connections good for you but good for japan for their speeds
Who had 100m Ethernet in 1995? The cards themselves were limited to 10m.
Who had 100m Ethernet in 1995? The cards themselves were limited to 10m.
he had 10mb internet
the difference was in japan you could had satelite internet or you could have land line internet with the land line being more expensive
the gamers was asking for land line since they cared about the pinq in the game
so in japan as i understood it was not only about speed but also about pinq that made a connection cheaper or more expensive with gamers paying a lot more than the more normal users
my pinq was horrible
Have you any idea of what is involved in laying down *anything* in the big cities?and giving that to the big cities stops them because?!?!?!?
they are greedy
as hell