Originally posted by: kentp
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Vegitto
What happened, man? Even if you don't want to talk about it, talking about it helps you to make it more 'real' for yourself. If you ever need my help, whether it be that you need someone to talk to or whatever (I was gonna say lend you some money, but I'm kind of broke ), PM me, man.
ATOT loves you, Stumps. I hope you and your fiancé pull through, and I hope you'll get custody of Emily.
She tried to cut off Emily's head with a big ass kitchen Knife...and then tried to cut off mine when I made a lunge for Emily.
Luckily I was fast enougth to grap Emily before she could plung it in to her and make a run for it.
that was moments after she demand that I cut off Emily's head with the Knife.
I close my eyes and all I see is the crazed look on her face...it was nothing like the movies..it was REALLY scary.
sorry to hear that story, you are lucky nothing happened to the three of you...
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
The post presupposes that he should try to have a family. I don't believe any of us should. When the female who is responsible for the genetic makeup of the child is MENTALLY ILL there should be no child.
But Stumps chose to not abort. This child is a product of his choices. I chose not to create a child with a very high potential of being mentally ill. All of you members creating children are without any valid reason besides the old Platonic premise of 'creating your own immotality'.
Stumps has my thoughts because of what he's gone through and will go through-but it was his choice.
Rogo
you are so far out of line that mere words fall me.
Originally posted by: Doboji
I guess I'm confused as to why she's still your Fiancee... sometimes you just need to run screaming... this is one of those times.
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Doboji
I guess I'm confused as to why she's still your Fiancee... sometimes you just need to run screaming... this is one of those times.
because unlike some, I don't abandon the one's I love when they need me the most...
Originally posted by: Stumps
I'm considering returning to work to get my mind off of things.
Well computing is a hobby right? idk maybe just do something you like to do and see how it goes.Originally posted by: Stumps
I haven't posted in a few days, I suppose I'm still trying to figure things out....at least I'm beating the temptation to hit the drink...so far.
I would like to thank ATOT for your support...despite the number of idiots that plague ATOT there are a lot of good people still here...thank you.
I have been able to have my visits with Emily extended another half hour a day which helps out a lot.
It is very hard to say good buy to her at the end of each visit, my house is so lonely now with just me...no babie's crying...no Michelle whinging at me to put the rubbish out or pick up my computer parts off of the kitchen table
Just silence now.
It's very depressing for me, but seeing Emily everyday does brighten things for a short while.
It's funny how she is completely oblivious to what has happened, she continues her daily routine of sleeping, eating and pooping... it is a good thing that she is too young to comprehend what has happened.
I haven't got any info about Michelle...it's all confidental now, that she doesn't want anything to do with me, although a doctor did tell me that they have her on a suicide watch now...that saddens me greatly.
I'm considering returning to work to get my mind off of things.
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Doboji
I guess I'm confused as to why she's still your Fiancee... sometimes you just need to run screaming... this is one of those times.
because unlike some, I don't abandon the one's I love when they need me the most...
Originally posted by: speed01
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
What a little fvcktard you are...So having a kid is a bad thing. I feel sorry for you...
I do propound that having a child with a geneticaly known proclivity for mental illness is a bad choice. I also believe that you need to look very seriously at the world that you'll bring even a 'normal' child into-and need to make this a primary foundation of your choice. If it is an 'accident' then you really need to examine not just this 'world' but your own psychic, philosophical, emotional, material, and existential life.
So in other words, nobody should ever have kids with you. Sounds good to me. Too bad your parents didn't share your philosophy.
Ya know, I hate this crap which is why I don't post here much..Some of you obviously believe, that if you have a child that you know is going to have a greater chance of having a mental disorder, you are somehow better than someone who decides to not bring a mentaly disabled child into this world. Where does that come from?? Stumps made his choices, and should be commended for them...but, they were his choices...What is it exactly that you people don't understand? Rogo simply puts into words what most of you refuse to see. In other words, if you had to choose between bringing a child with a handicap into this world or one without, which would you choose??
Speed
Originally posted by: Tom
Buck Armstrong-
I'm glad I don't live in the world the way you would have it.
You're an ass and acting that way is not necessary in this thread.Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: Tom
Buck Armstrong-
I'm glad I don't live in the world the way you would have it.
OK, then let me clue you in: When you have sex, a child might be the result. Thats why you pick your partners carefully, little boy.
Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
You're an ass and acting that way is not necessary in this thread.Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: Tom
Buck Armstrong-
I'm glad I don't live in the world the way you would have it.
OK, then let me clue you in: When you have sex, a child might be the result. Thats why you pick your partners carefully, little boy.
But keep on editing your posts because you're only coming across as more of an ass than you were to begin with.
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: Tom
Buck Armstrong-
I'm glad I don't live in the world the way you would have it.
OK, then let me clue you in: When you have sex, a child might be the result. Thats why you pick your partners carefully, little boy. Take a Health class before you leave high school, they'll explain the human reproductive system to you.
You know. After watching your edits and watching you twist your own words around to what might be the most PC you could be after what you already wrote (presumably after you read what a mod posted in this thread), you are definitely one of the biggest asses around here. I'm glad that Tom was around and called you on it before you edited your post and took out that second paragraph. It's only unfortunate that Tom didn't quote you.Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
You're an ass and acting that way is not necessary in this thread.Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: Tom
Buck Armstrong-
I'm glad I don't live in the world the way you would have it.
OK, then let me clue you in: When you have sex, a child might be the result. Thats why you pick your partners carefully, little boy.
But keep on editing your posts because you're only coming across as more of an ass than you were to begin with.
You're right, instead its better to insult a responsible and admirable man whos trying to do his best in a bad situation, by insinuating that he should've aborted his own child.
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: speed01
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
What a little fvcktard you are...So having a kid is a bad thing. I feel sorry for you...
I do propound that having a child with a geneticaly known proclivity for mental illness is a bad choice. I also believe that you need to look very seriously at the world that you'll bring even a 'normal' child into-and need to make this a primary foundation of your choice. If it is an 'accident' then you really need to examine not just this 'world' but your own psychic, philosophical, emotional, material, and existential life.
So in other words, nobody should ever have kids with you. Sounds good to me. Too bad your parents didn't share your philosophy.
Ya know, I hate this crap which is why I don't post here much..Some of you obviously believe, that if you have a child that you know is going to have a greater chance of having a mental disorder, you are somehow better than someone who decides to not bring a mentaly disabled child into this world. Where does that come from?? Stumps made his choices, and should be commended for them...but, they were his choices...What is it exactly that you people don't understand? Rogo simply puts into words what most of you refuse to see. In other words, if you had to choose between bringing a child with a handicap into this world or one without, which would you choose??
Speed
No. Rogo took the easy way out, and is obviously just trying to justify that by being self-righteous and judgemental. I understand what you're saying, but thats why you make those decisions BEFORE, not after. If your SO is clearly disturbed, then you don't have sex with her. Period. You don't wait until after she's conceived to change your mind; otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, YOU also have a "mental disorder". There are plenty of other women, no need to be a pathetic weakling who will prey on whatever he can easily get.
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: speed01
Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
What a little fvcktard you are...So having a kid is a bad thing. I feel sorry for you...
I do propound that having a child with a geneticaly known proclivity for mental illness is a bad choice. I also believe that you need to look very seriously at the world that you'll bring even a 'normal' child into-and need to make this a primary foundation of your choice. If it is an 'accident' then you really need to examine not just this 'world' but your own psychic, philosophical, emotional, material, and existential life.
So in other words, nobody should ever have kids with you. Sounds good to me. Too bad your parents didn't share your philosophy.
Ya know, I hate this crap which is why I don't post here much..Some of you obviously believe, that if you have a child that you know is going to have a greater chance of having a mental disorder, you are somehow better than someone who decides to not bring a mentaly disabled child into this world. Where does that come from?? Stumps made his choices, and should be commended for them...but, they were his choices...What is it exactly that you people don't understand? Rogo simply puts into words what most of you refuse to see. In other words, if you had to choose between bringing a child with a handicap into this world or one without, which would you choose??
Speed
No. Rogo took the easy way out, and is obviously just trying to justify that by being self-righteous and judgemental. I understand what you're saying, but thats why you make those decisions BEFORE, not after. If your SO is clearly disturbed, then you don't have sex with her. Period. You don't wait until after she's conceived to change your mind; otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, YOU also have a "mental disorder". There are plenty of other women, no need to be a pathetic weakling who will prey on whatever he can easily get.
This is what confuses me about some of the posts in this thread, up until 9 months ago Michelle had very little symptoms, she had everything under control with medication and we where living a normal life, but even when she started to have problems we were able to get on top of them and she continued through the pregnacy with out any problems, it wasn't until a few after the birth of Emily that Michelle started to have problems, the doctors who are treating her suspect that Emily was the trigger for her Psychosis....Emily isn't an easy child to look after due to the fact that she has bad reflux and is generally a very needy baby, this situation would place a lot of stress on a normal mother.
When I first met Michelle she displayed no symptoms at all, it wasn't until we had been going out for six months that I discovered that she had Schitzophrenia, but it had been under control for so long it didn't present a problem and I decided that I loved her enougth not to just give up on her like some many people would have(Like some in this thread).
Even now, Doctor's still feel that Emily has a very good chance at a normal life...sure there is a 50% chance that she could have the same problems that Michelle, but that can be counted with a supportive and stimulating up bringing....but on the other side of the arguement there is also a 50% chance that Emily will grow up perfectly normal and happy.
I will do my best to ensure that Emily will grow up normal and happy.
We discussed aborting Emily when Michelle found out she was pregnant, but we both wanted children..we always have and we chose to continue with the pregnacy knowing what to look out for and how to get help when needed.
It saddens me a lot on how people can judge and discard people just because they are different, I wasn't bought up that way, I have two adopted sisters that have Downs syndrom (one 6 and one 9 years old)...they were both abandoned by their parents when they were born...my parents didn't give up on them and they a leading very normal happy lives...I am a better person for having them as my sisters and I say that proudly.
While I have lost my beloved Michelle I can still say that I love her and always will...she will always have a place in my heart.
It wasn't her fault she has Schitzophrenia, she was born with it, I'm not about too, or ever judge her because of that.