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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: BrownTown
On a related note, mentaly unstable people make life really really suck. I guess thats not something that someone would want to hear if they were in love with a mentall unstable person, but my dad ended up marrying someone who had mental problem (my mom obviously), thinking he could change her and his life has been a living hell ever since, he is literally a zombie, and nobody should ever have to go threw something like that. I know it sucks for the mentally unstable person too probably most of all, but they can take down many many more people than just themselves, and if they really are a threat It may well be best to have them put in a mental hospital. If this person is really suffering from mental illness you might want to consider just how much it will harm this kid to grow up around them, i look at my siblings, and being raised by a person with serios bipolar didorder has deffintely seriously hurt our chances of having a normal life.

My fiancee suffers from Paranoid Schitzophrenia and Major depression (Manic depressive), her illness had been under control with medication, however since giving birth, post natal depression hit her like a ton of bricks and no medication in the world was going to help...I tried frantically to get her help, but the slow mental health system in Australia didn't act quickily enougth to help her.


A part of the court order will prevent Michelle from ever having custody of Emily and for now (until further notice) she isn't allowed with in 100 metres of Emily.

I wasn't sure what to say... or rather whether to say anything at first. I don't know you and your situation well enough to warrant any sort of "Buck up friend.. it will get better..." type of comment. But then I got to this point in your thread.

Again - I have no concept of your wife's condition (other than maybe it's like a bad trip). My cousin several years ago was diagnosed Paranoid Schizophrenic, and was summarily locked away in a "home" for the past several years, contributing to greater manic depression. For whatever reason, it likely contributed to his demise last month unfortunately. I had not seen him in the last maybe 10 years, and unfortunately, I did miss his funeral. But that is beside the point.

The bolded portion of your post - that's what I find disturbing. What people don't understand is that your wife probably needs you and Emily the most right now. I understand that your wife may have the capacity to harm someone, but your daughter probably would be the key to treatment. Mental disorders can be treated to some extent with chemicals - but those are mind-altering, just as LSD, PCP, etc. You end up losing yourself and becoming something artificial. It may take a long time to find the real person behind the pain, but have faith in the human brain.

In any event, I do wish you the best of luck at getting your life and family back. It will take its toll on you, but don't let it take you with it.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: Vegitto


What happened, man? Even if you don't want to talk about it, talking about it helps you to make it more 'real' for yourself. If you ever need my help, whether it be that you need someone to talk to or whatever (I was gonna say lend you some money, but I'm kind of broke ), PM me, man.

ATOT loves you, Stumps. I hope you and your fiancé pull through, and I hope you'll get custody of Emily.

She tried to cut off Emily's head with a big ass kitchen Knife...and then tried to cut off mine when I made a lunge for Emily.

Luckily I was fast enougth to grap Emily before she could plung it in to her and make a run for it.

that was moments after she demand that I cut off Emily's head with the Knife.

I close my eyes and all I see is the crazed look on her face...it was nothing like the movies..it was REALLY scary.
 

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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Vegitto


What happened, man? Even if you don't want to talk about it, talking about it helps you to make it more 'real' for yourself. If you ever need my help, whether it be that you need someone to talk to or whatever (I was gonna say lend you some money, but I'm kind of broke ), PM me, man.

ATOT loves you, Stumps. I hope you and your fiancé pull through, and I hope you'll get custody of Emily.

She tried to cut off Emily's head with a big ass kitchen Knife...and then tried to cut off mine when I made a lunge for Emily.

Luckily I was fast enougth to grap Emily before she could plung it in to her and make a run for it.

that was moments after she demand that I cut off Emily's head with the Knife.

I close my eyes and all I see is the crazed look on her face...it was nothing like the movies..it was REALLY scary.


Wow, I'm really sorry. I don't see how they say you can't protect her. You did in a major way. ATOT is behind you.
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Vegitto


What happened, man? Even if you don't want to talk about it, talking about it helps you to make it more 'real' for yourself. If you ever need my help, whether it be that you need someone to talk to or whatever (I was gonna say lend you some money, but I'm kind of broke ), PM me, man.

ATOT loves you, Stumps. I hope you and your fiancé pull through, and I hope you'll get custody of Emily.

She tried to cut off Emily's head with a big ass kitchen Knife...and then tried to cut off mine when I made a lunge for Emily.

Luckily I was fast enougth to grap Emily before she could plung it in to her and make a run for it.

that was moments after she demand that I cut off Emily's head with the Knife.

I close my eyes and all I see is the crazed look on her face...it was nothing like the movies..it was REALLY scary.

after you talk to a lawyer and make sure it wont hurt you, you might want to get some counseling yourself..this is too f'ed up to not have a bad effect on someone...it can help to have some other sane adults to help remind you that you are ok
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: boomerang
I'm assuming your fiance's parents are no longer living. If they had been, here in the States, they would have had custody of your child.

Your parents have temporary custody. As you said, when the situation stabilizes, there's every reason to believe you will get custody of her. Really, truly, try as hard as you can to think of how this can and will work out for the positive. Dwelling on the negative aspects of this situation will do nothing more than get you depressed. You need to remain the one best solution for your daughters care.

No, they just don't give a fvck, I tried to get them to help us out when she first started struggling, but her dumbass mother told us that if Michelle couldn't cope she was a negligant mother and she would have nothing to do with us...which is pretty much what happened.

My parents stepped in and had been taking care of Emily over christmas...Michelle insisted that she was well enougth to care for Emily overnight...I was stupid enougth to agree as Michelle had shown signs of improvement of the past couple of days...boy was I wrong.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: eLiTeGoodGuy
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Vegitto


What happened, man? Even if you don't want to talk about it, talking about it helps you to make it more 'real' for yourself. If you ever need my help, whether it be that you need someone to talk to or whatever (I was gonna say lend you some money, but I'm kind of broke ), PM me, man.

ATOT loves you, Stumps. I hope you and your fiancé pull through, and I hope you'll get custody of Emily.

She tried to cut off Emily's head with a big ass kitchen Knife...and then tried to cut off mine when I made a lunge for Emily.

Luckily I was fast enougth to grap Emily before she could plung it in to her and make a run for it.

that was moments after she demand that I cut off Emily's head with the Knife.

I close my eyes and all I see is the crazed look on her face...it was nothing like the movies..it was REALLY scary.


Wow, I'm really sorry. I don't see how they say you can't protect her. You did in a major way. ATOT is behind you.

she woke me up first...what if she hadn't?

this is where DOCS is coming from and why I agreed to let my parents have custody for the time being...not that I had much say in it anyway.
 

Chunkee

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you should feel no guilt....you cannot help someones intense psychological degeneration....at all....

you should fee proud, that you saved your little girls life from your fiance's episode....just think of what have happened if you did not...join a support group...focus on the child, not your fiance...go through the necessary steps of getting Emily back...i know the headache with it all...but look toward long term....stay focused on her well being....and stay in her life as much as possible right now an reassure her that everything will be okay...get some counseling...exercise...

i know this sux...but start coming to terms that she is gone and will never return...and that you have life still and you can make some thing of it for you and your little girl.

pray hard.

Godspeed.
jC
 

Vegitto

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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Vegitto


What happened, man? Even if you don't want to talk about it, talking about it helps you to make it more 'real' for yourself. If you ever need my help, whether it be that you need someone to talk to or whatever (I was gonna say lend you some money, but I'm kind of broke ), PM me, man.

ATOT loves you, Stumps. I hope you and your fiancé pull through, and I hope you'll get custody of Emily.

She tried to cut off Emily's head with a big ass kitchen Knife...and then tried to cut off mine when I made a lunge for Emily.

Luckily I was fast enougth to grap Emily before she could plung it in to her and make a run for it.

that was moments after she demand that I cut off Emily's head with the Knife.

I close my eyes and all I see is the crazed look on her face...it was nothing like the movies..it was REALLY scary.

You are a hero. I'm really, really sorry to hear this, man . I think your fiancé should get proper treatment, and I think that, in time, you should get custody of Emily. Not right now, though, I can imagine you're really stressed, yourself.

I hope you pull through, and always know that we love you and are right behind you.
 

eLiTeGoodGuy

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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: eLiTeGoodGuy
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Vegitto


What happened, man? Even if you don't want to talk about it, talking about it helps you to make it more 'real' for yourself. If you ever need my help, whether it be that you need someone to talk to or whatever (I was gonna say lend you some money, but I'm kind of broke ), PM me, man.

ATOT loves you, Stumps. I hope you and your fiancé pull through, and I hope you'll get custody of Emily.

She tried to cut off Emily's head with a big ass kitchen Knife...and then tried to cut off mine when I made a lunge for Emily.

Luckily I was fast enougth to grap Emily before she could plung it in to her and make a run for it.

that was moments after she demand that I cut off Emily's head with the Knife.

I close my eyes and all I see is the crazed look on her face...it was nothing like the movies..it was REALLY scary.


Wow, I'm really sorry. I don't see how they say you can't protect her. You did in a major way. ATOT is behind you.

she woke me up first...what if she hadn't?

this is where DOCS is coming from and why I agreed to let my parents have custody for the time being...not that I had much say in it anyway.

I would say I know how you feel, but I don't. I haven't been through that much in so little time.

Were you living with someone who had mental problems? Yes
Could you prevent anything bad from happening to your child (while you are awake)? Yes

Any one cannot prevent anything like that while they are asleep.

Since the doctors say she will be away for a VERY long time you've done what you needed to do. You've protected Emily, you've prevented future harm to her from her mother.

 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Vegitto


What happened, man? Even if you don't want to talk about it, talking about it helps you to make it more 'real' for yourself. If you ever need my help, whether it be that you need someone to talk to or whatever (I was gonna say lend you some money, but I'm kind of broke ), PM me, man.

ATOT loves you, Stumps. I hope you and your fiancé pull through, and I hope you'll get custody of Emily.

She tried to cut off Emily's head with a big ass kitchen Knife...and then tried to cut off mine when I made a lunge for Emily.

Luckily I was fast enougth to grap Emily before she could plung it in to her and make a run for it.

that was moments after she demand that I cut off Emily's head with the Knife.

I close my eyes and all I see is the crazed look on her face...it was nothing like the movies..it was REALLY scary.

You are a hero. I'm really, really sorry to hear this, man . I think your fiancé should get proper treatment, and I think that, in time, you should get custody of Emily. Not right now, though, I can imagine you're really stressed, yourself.

I hope you pull through, and always know that we love you and are right behind you.

that's it I don't feel that way...every one is telling me that I did a good job and that I will have Emily back in a while...but all I feel is guilt for letting Michelle down....and the sad truth is I could see this coming from a 100 miles away.

I was warned about it before Emily was even borne and I figured that if I support Michelle, make sure she took her meds, I even took a break from work and help out around the house to make things easier for her...and yet she still flaked out big time.

When she first started to show signs of stress, I started to try to get her councelling, we drove the 400 kays to Sydney 3 times a week so she could see a professional.

I got my parents involved(they were willing to help anyway...I'm pretty close to my family) and they were taking Emily 2 or 3 times a week overnight to let Michelle rest up...and yet this happened.

I can't figure out what I missed.

It's really hard when I can't help the one person who has been a major part of my life for close to 4 years.

sure we had our differences but we always figure them out and now....nothing, she barely recognises me..and didn't even know my name....that's heartbreaking.
 

MmmSkyscraper

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Echoing everyone else, I'm glad you and your daughter are safe.

There are too many what ifs in life so don't beat yourself up over how it happened. Nothing worse can happen in the future because of the action you took to protect Emily and get her out of there. I imagine she'll be back with your parents soon and that's one big step closer to you in the future. In the meantime, you need to ensure that you get past this mentally, so that you're ready to care for Emily again. I seriously suggest some counselling, it would help you to process everything in a structured, supportive environment. Family and friends are great, but a trained, non-judgemental detached observer can do wonders.

Stop blaming yourself, you are not a failure. We're proud of you.

 

MmmSkyscraper

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I just read your update regarding Michelle. It sounds like you did everything you could for her but these conditions can be very unpredictable and snowball out of control rapidly. Every step of the way, you tried your best, and you didn't fail at the end. It just reached a point where anybody would suddenly find themselves in the deep end and wondering WTF happened.
 

sixone

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I agree with Vegitto - you DID save her life. Nothing else really matters, in the long run.

There are just some things that you can't control. Beating yourself up about them isn't going to change anything, and it could make things worse if you let that go on too long. You did everything you could do, and you need to give yourself a little credit for that.

Hang in there, and good luck.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
I just read your update regarding Michelle. It sounds like you did everything you could for her but these conditions can be very unpredictable and snowball out of control rapidly. Every step of the way, you tried your best, and you didn't fail at the end. It just reached a point where anybody would suddenly find themselves in the deep end and wondering WTF happened.

I guess that's where I am...I feel like I'm starting to lose the plot....I can't figure anything out any more...now I just sit here and type about today events as the replay over and over again in my head (luckily I still have that).
 

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Keep your head up Stumps. Life is full of hills and valleys, and it may seem like you walking through the deepest valley on earth right now, but remember, time heals all. I think I speak for most of ATOT when I say if you need anything, or just want to talk, PM any one of us in this thread.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: Unheard
Keep your head up Stumps. Life is full of hills and valleys, and it may seem like you walking through the deepest valley on earth right now, but remember, time heals all. I think I speak for most of ATOT when I say if you need anything, or just want to talk, PM any one of us in this thread.

thanks guys for the support...I didn't post here for any attention, I just need to vent and to think about todays events...maybe get some insight in to how to fix things.

things just haven't turned out how I planned them, It wasn't supposed to be like this at all.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Unheard
Keep your head up Stumps. Life is full of hills and valleys, and it may seem like you walking through the deepest valley on earth right now, but remember, time heals all. I think I speak for most of ATOT when I say if you need anything, or just want to talk, PM any one of us in this thread.

thanks guys for the support...I didn't post here for any attention, I just need to vent and to think about todays events...maybe get some insight in to how to fix things.

things just haven't turned out how I planned them, It wasn't supposed to be like this at all.
oh hell, a lot of our plans don't go the way we'd like. i think we all have stories to tell about that.

i hope things sort themselves out for you soon, and it's fine that you come here to vent. it's good therapy imho.
 

MmmSkyscraper

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Originally posted by: Stumps
I guess that's where I am...I feel like I'm starting to lose the plot....I can't figure anything out any more...now I just sit here and type about today events as the replay over and over again in my head (luckily I still have that).

If you need to talk to someone, you can always call The Samaritans. You don't have to be suicidal to get a non-judgemental, sympathetic ear. You should also consider calling your family doctor to see what would be appropriate for you regarding counselling, and/or some time off work. I imagine you're still in shock but the sooner you can take some positive action, the better.


 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Stumps
Originally posted by: Unheard
Keep your head up Stumps. Life is full of hills and valleys, and it may seem like you walking through the deepest valley on earth right now, but remember, time heals all. I think I speak for most of ATOT when I say if you need anything, or just want to talk, PM any one of us in this thread.

thanks guys for the support...I didn't post here for any attention, I just need to vent and to think about todays events...maybe get some insight in to how to fix things.

things just haven't turned out how I planned them, It wasn't supposed to be like this at all.
oh hell, a lot of our plans don't go the way we'd like. i think we all have stories to tell about that.

i hope things sort themselves out for you soon, and it's fine that you come here to vent. it's good therapy imho.

I should have put the peices together when the fourth member of our family died a week ago...my trusty Ford Falcon, all that travelling to get Michelle help was too much for the old girl...but thats just a very minor problem...and easy to fix, I wish everything was as easy to fix.
 
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