So...I failed my family today

[n7]

I am not so good with words, but as others have said, you've done more than your best, & though this must be hell to go through, i wish you the best.

Good luck.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
The post presupposes that he should try to have a family. I don't believe any of us should. When the female who is responsible for the genetic makeup of the child is MENTALLY ILL there should be no child.

But Stumps chose to not abort. This child is a product of his choices. I chose not to create a child with a very high potential of being mentally ill. All of you members creating children are without any valid reason besides the old Platonic premise of 'creating your own immotality'.

Stumps has my thoughts because of what he's gone through and will go through-but it was his choice.

Rogo

you are so far out of line that mere words fall me.

 

[Mo0o]

What a tough situation. The focus now should be your daughter and making sure this incident doesn't have any lasting effects on her. Best of luck to you man

 

[jakedeez]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
The post presupposes that he should try to have a family. I don't believe any of us should. When the female who is responsible for the genetic makeup of the child is MENTALLY ILL there should be no child.

But Stumps chose to not abort. This child is a product of his choices. I chose not to create a child with a very high potential of being mentally ill. All of you members creating children are without any valid reason besides the old Platonic premise of 'creating your own immotality'.

Stumps has my thoughts because of what he's gone through and will go through-but it was his choice.

Rogo

Why kick a guy when he is down? Take your naziesc ideas elsewhere.

 

[Rogodin2]

Stumps

You need to read everything you can about her disorder. You also need to find out exactly what her diagnosis is. The DSM 5 you can find online for a few hundred-it'll be worth it. Someone suggested counceling, I suspect you're already in, but if not, do it.

Those who haven't lived through a life with a partner that's mentally ill won't understand what you're going through-nor know what you will go through with your daughter.

To those of you who can't take the vicious truth of personal choice, go fvck yourselves.

Rogo

 

[NorthRiver]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: BrownTown
On a related note, mentaly unstable people make life really really suck. I guess thats not something that someone would want to hear if they were in love with a mentall unstable person, but my dad ended up marrying someone who had mental problem (my mom obviously), thinking he could change her and his life has been a living hell ever since, he is literally a zombie, and nobody should ever have to go threw something like that. I know it sucks for the mentally unstable person too probably most of all, but they can take down many many more people than just themselves, and if they really are a threat It may well be best to have them put in a mental hospital. If this person is really suffering from mental illness you might want to consider just how much it will harm this kid to grow up around them, i look at my siblings, and being raised by a person with serios bipolar didorder has deffintely seriously hurt our chances of having a normal life.

My fiancee suffers from Paranoid Schitzophrenia and Major depression (Manic depressive), her illness had been under control with medication, however since giving birth, post natal depression hit her like a ton of bricks and no medication in the world was going to help...I tried frantically to get her help, but the slow mental health system in Australia didn't act quickily enougth to help her.


A part of the court order will prevent Michelle from ever having custody of Emily and for now (until further notice) she isn't allowed with in 100 metres of Emily.

Happened to my ex wife, but not as bad. She really lost all concept of reality, and even to this day acts like I'm the devil respawned. CSD always takes the children away from the father if the mother goes away. My ex got very violent and I called the cops on her a couple of times, they always told me they were going to take my daughter if I pressed charges. I never did.

Good luck man!!

 

[Praxis1452]

Hey you did well. nothing else can really be said.

Though of course I do actually agree with rogodin2.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Stumps
Well where do I start with this one?

I am a complete failure...I was unable to help my Fiancee and my little princess Emily.

After struggling the past few weeks to get my Fiancee help for her rapidly declining mental health now she has been commited for Psychiatric evaluation with a probable outcome of permanently being put in a mental facility.

My lovely little daughter has been taken away and placed in to foster care until the custody of her can temporarly awarded to my parents.

what the hell went wrong?, what did I do to fail them both so miserably.

the Department of Child Services were so concerned about Emily's welfare that it only took them 3 hrs to process the removal of Emily once the complaint had been filed.

Following the inital complaint to the police which prompted all of this the police were concerned for my safety and immediatly took Michelle for evaluation at the local hosipital.

Now I am by myself, confused and depressed...

This is 100% real, I have the removal order sitting in front of me at the moment.

Your daughter is now safer today than she was yesterday. That's the main thing. You didn't fail anyone.

You will now be part of the solution . . . for your daughter if not your finacee. That which does not kill us makes us stronger -- Nietzsche.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

any day on this side of the dirt is a good one.

 

[silverpig]

Hang in there. Things'll work out.

 

[BillyBatson]

why are you not able to keep your daughter with you?

i am sorry man, just hang in there, she will always be your daughter and no matter how long it takes she will come back to you

 

[Maximilian]

I always come onto ATOT half drunk usually heh, happy new year.

Stumps this literally brought a tear to my eye, thats such a shame, this whole thing happening, i dont know what to tell you or what advice to give, its not as simple as upgrade your GPU or fix the registry etc, but we're with you dude. If you ever wanna vent or anything, atot is here.

Good luck man.

 

[speed01]

Stumps, as you can see by my enormous post count, I post here often...however, I had to log in to lend my support. Regardless of how you feel right now, what you did was heroic and I think few of us are blessed with a parent such as yourself. You did everything you could in light of the situation, be proud of what you did do, don't harp on what you couldn't control. Good luck man, we are here for you when you need to vent...

As for Rogo, I think he's right. His post didn't come across as kicking a man when he's down, more like "here is the plain truth as I see it" reply..

FWIW,
Speed

 

[Clocker]

I am so sorry to hear. I hope you have support from other family or friends. I dont know why some people get shiited on in their lives but it happens. I hope you can find support you need and perhaps one day you can take care of your daughter. If posting here helps. keep it up.

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
The post presupposes that he should try to have a family. I don't believe any of us should. When the female who is responsible for the genetic makeup of the child is MENTALLY ILL there should be no child.

But Stumps chose to not abort. This child is a product of his choices. I chose not to create a child with a very high potential of being mentally ill. All of you members creating children are without any valid reason besides the old Platonic premise of 'creating your own immotality'.

Stumps has my thoughts because of what he's gone through and will go through-but it was his choice.

Rogo

What a little fvcktard you are...So having a kid is a bad thing. I feel sorry for you...

We're here for ya Stumps. Hope everything turns out. You'll be in my prayers...

EDIT: Just saw the picture of Emily. She's so cute! Good luck, man...

 

[speed01]

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
The post presupposes that he should try to have a family. I don't believe any of us should. When the female who is responsible for the genetic makeup of the child is MENTALLY ILL there should be no child.

But Stumps chose to not abort. This child is a product of his choices. I chose not to create a child with a very high potential of being mentally ill. All of you members creating children are without any valid reason besides the old Platonic premise of 'creating your own immotality'.

Stumps has my thoughts because of what he's gone through and will go through-but it was his choice.

Rogo

What a little fvcktard you are...So having a kid is a bad thing. I feel sorry for you...

We're here for ya Stumps. Hope everything turns out. You'll be in my prayers...

EDIT: Just saw the picture of Emily. She's so cute! Good luck, man...

I'm sorry, but could you please tell me where in that post Rogo said that having a kid was a bad thing?? He said that having a child with the potential for it to have serious mental problems was not something he was willing to do. And then offered his thoughts to Stumps with the reminder that we all make our own destiny..Now I don't know Rogo, nor have I ever participated in any thread that he has, but I can't understand why so many are so quick to find someone to flame...then again, this is ATOT...what more is to be expected..

Speed

 

[IEC]

Go in for counseling... you sound quite depressed (as is natural in such an unnatural situation ).

Depression isn't something you can just snap out of unfortunately. It helped me a great deal to talk with people after coming home from a rough 6 months at school...

 

[Rogodin2]

What a little fvcktard you are...So having a kid is a bad thing. I feel sorry for you...

I do propound that having a child with a geneticaly known proclivity for mental illness is a bad choice. I also believe that you need to look very seriously at the world that you'll bring even a 'normal' child into-and need to make this a primary foundation of your choice. If it is an 'accident' then you really need to examine not just this 'world' but your own psychic, philosophical, emotional, material, and existential life.

I think Stumps is going to grow as a man because of his choices-this indication is conspicuous in his posts. Others-like you-show a basic lack of logic and thought process.

Rogo

 

[apex32]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: Accipiter22

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: BrownTown
On a related note, mentaly unstable people make life really really suck. I guess thats not something that someone would want to hear if they were in love with a mentall unstable person, but my dad ended up marrying someone who had mental problem (my mom obviously), thinking he could change her and his life has been a living hell ever since, he is literally a zombie, and nobody should ever have to go threw something like that. I know it sucks for the mentally unstable person too probably most of all, but they can take down many many more people than just themselves, and if they really are a threat It may well be best to have them put in a mental hospital. If this person is really suffering from mental illness you might want to consider just how much it will harm this kid to grow up around them, i look at my siblings, and being raised by a person with serios bipolar didorder has deffintely seriously hurt our chances of having a normal life.

My fiancee suffers from Paranoid Schitzophrenia and Major depression (Manic depressive), her illness had been under control with medication, however since giving birth, post natal depression hit her like a ton of bricks and no medication in the world was going to help...I tried frantically to get her help, but the slow mental health system in Australia didn't act quickily enougth to help her.


A part of the court order will prevent Michelle from ever having custody of Emily and for now (until further notice) she isn't allowed with in 100 metres of Emily.

oooooooh you're in Australia, ok.


Well I don't know how it is down there, but up here after the post-partum clears, if your fiance gets stabilized on medication once again, won't they release her?

No, if she is stabilized enougth to function she may have to stand trial for Attemped murder...Unfortunately it's a lose lose situation for her.

I spoke with the doctors today and even at this early stage they are pretty certain that she may never recover enougth to be able to function.

As horrible as it may seem, she is completely unremorseful about the incident and still wants to decapitate Emily and myself, that really crushes me....she's not the Michelle that I know and love.

In the last 9 months or so I have had some real doubts about our future...but I choose to struggle on, even when people told me it wasn't a workable situation, and try to get her some help in the hope that we could have a decent future with Emily.

but on a lighter note I also did get to spend time with Emily today which was great, that little sweet heart always puts a smile on my face...I'll be happy once she is out of foster care and staying with my parents, I be able to see her every day.

It's nice to see things starting to piece together. Thats what matters the most, your child and your own safety. You didn't 'fail anyone, and if anything you were successful, saving your daughters life, which i can see was your #1 priority is right where it needed to be, and there is nothing more you can do for your wife, as sad as it may seem. You will just have to let her attempt to stabalize and accept the fact that things will neevr be the same, or how you initially pictured them to be. I'm sorry to hear that all this has happened, you don't deserve it and we all know it. Just hang in there, and keep moving on with life, as we all know, things will heal over time. Good luck buddy.

 

[TruePaige]

You really didn't fail your family...now more than ever is an opportunity to start the future of your family. Your wife is incapacitated but...it takes the element of danger out while she gets help she needs. Take this time, go to court, take care of your daughter. You can do it man.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Stumps, words really and truly left me as I read this thread. But the best I can say is you are not a failure. If I am ever placed in a situation as yours, I hope and pray that I can be half the man, the hero, that you were.

I don't know what religion you are and hope I don't offend you in anyway, but just know that you are in my prayers. If there is anything I can do for you, don't hesitate, just ask!

Stay strong, and best of luck in the coming times!
-Kevin

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: speed01

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
The post presupposes that he should try to have a family. I don't believe any of us should. When the female who is responsible for the genetic makeup of the child is MENTALLY ILL there should be no child.

But Stumps chose to not abort. This child is a product of his choices. I chose not to create a child with a very high potential of being mentally ill. All of you members creating children are without any valid reason besides the old Platonic premise of 'creating your own immotality'.

Stumps has my thoughts because of what he's gone through and will go through-but it was his choice.

Rogo

What a little fvcktard you are...So having a kid is a bad thing. I feel sorry for you...

We're here for ya Stumps. Hope everything turns out. You'll be in my prayers...

EDIT: Just saw the picture of Emily. She's so cute! Good luck, man...

I'm sorry, but could you please tell me where in that post Rogo said that having a kid was a bad thing?? He said that having a child with the potential for it to have serious mental problems was not something he was willing to do. And then offered his thoughts to Stumps with the reminder that we all make our own destiny..Now I don't know Rogo, nor have I ever participated in any thread that he has, but I can't understand why so many are so quick to find someone to flame...then again, this is ATOT...what more is to be expected..

Speed

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2

What a little fvcktard you are...So having a kid is a bad thing. I feel sorry for you...

I do propound that having a child with a geneticaly known proclivity for mental illness is a bad choice. I also believe that you need to look very seriously at the world that you'll bring even a 'normal' child into-and need to make this a primary foundation of your choice. If it is an 'accident' then you really need to examine not just this 'world' but your own psychic, philosophical, emotional, material, and existential life.

I think Stumps is going to grow as a man because of his choices-this indication is conspicuous in his posts. Others-like you-show a basic lack of logic and thought process.

Rogo

If it seems like I jumped a little hard, I'm sorry, but when you say, "All of you members creating children are without any valid reason besides the old Platonic premise of 'creating your own immotality'.", you have to admit, it does sound very...wrong.

 

[Bryophyte]

I'm so sorry for what you're going through. Not many threads here make me cry, but this one did.

 

[SSP]

Wow.. I'm so sorry to hear that stumps. All I can do is wish you all the best with regards to getting your daughter back. Hang in there for her.