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iRONic

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Of all the threads in ATOT, I chose this as my first one to read.

Jeebus...
 

bluestrobe

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Originally posted by: patentman
As for your other statement, I won't say anything except to say that its funny how people who know absolutely nothing about the law find that they are in a position to criticize those that actually do know something about the law.

It?s nice you know me. Then you would know I work closely with the local law enforcement every day and I see the true side of the law rather than what a classroom textbook says. Of the thousands of cases I have seen, the evidence chain or evidence tampering have never been an issue. It's nice that people in college take one class and think they are an expert on a subject. Nothing replaces the real world experiences one can learn from.
 

patentman

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It?s nice you know me. Then you would know I work closely with the local law enforcement every day and I see the true side of the law rather than what a classroom textbook says. Of the thousands of cases I have seen, the evidence chain or evidence tampering have never been an issue. It's nice that people in college take one class and think they are an expert on a subject. Nothing replaces the real world experiences one can learn from.
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Your right, I don't know you, but I do know when people are spouting off stuff they know nothing about. I don't care whether you "work closely" with law enforcement or not, the fact of the matter is that rule 901 of the Federal Rules of Evidence, which all federal courts follow, REQUIRE a chain of custody to be established. If you don't beleive me, go read the rule and a little bit about what it requires!

Further, if chain of custody has never been an issue in the cases you have been involved with, its probably because: a) You have seen a lot of civil or criminal cases based on state law in a state that has not adopted the federal rules of evidence; b) you have seen a lot of non-drug cases; or c) the government in the cases you "worked closely" with law enforcement on did its job in maintaining the chain and the prosecutor established it in a motione in limine (pre-trial motion), which means you would probably never see it. Just because its not "argued" in the courtroom, however, does not mean it is not a requirement or that it is something to be laughed at. Indeed, I've read at least 20 cases this semester where drug charges were thrown out because of a failure to properly establish chain of custody of drug paraphanalia. Moreover, as I mentioned before, my professor is a federal judge. He has been on the bench for almost 20 years now. So if he says that chain of custody must be strictly maintained in drug cases and that defense attorneys should "drive a truck " through any gaps, I'm going to listen to him. No offense, but the opinion of a Federal Judge regarding the Federal Rules of Evidence carries a lot more weight with me then someone who "has worked closely" with law enforcement.

And by the way, I never purported to say I was an expert in this stuff. However, I DO know a bit about the subject and I thought my comments would be helpful, especially considering that they were directed to an argument that most people don't even realize the have.

Oh, by the way, my "classroom textbook" is a copy of the Federal Rules of Evidence with advisory committee notes and THE CASELAW...
 

bluestrobe

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Originally posted by: patentman

Your right, I don't know you, but I do know when people are spouting off stuff they know nothing about. I don't care whether you "work closely" with law enforcement or not, the fact of the matter is that rule 901 of the Federal Rules of Evidence, which all federal courts follow, REQUIRE a chain of custody to be established. If you don't beleive me, go read the rule and a little bit about what it requires!

Further, if chain of custody has never been an issue in the cases you have been involved with, its probably because: a) You have seen a lot of civil or criminal cases based on state law in a state that has not adopted the federal rules of evidence; b) you have seen a lot of non-drug cases; or c) the government in the cases you "worked closely" with law enforcement on did its job in maintaining the chain and the prosecutor established it in a motione in limine (pre-trial motion), which means you would probably never see it. Just because its not "argued" in the courtroom, however, does not mean it is not a requirement or that it is something to be laughed at. Indeed, I've read at least 20 cases this semester where drug charges were thrown out because of a failure to properly establish chain of custody of drug paraphanalia. Moreover, as I mentioned before, my professor is a federal judge. He has been on the bench for almost 20 years now. So if he says that chain of custody must be strictly maintained in drug cases and that defense attorneys should "drive a truck " through any gaps, I'm going to listen to him. No offense, but the opinion of a Federal Judge regarding the Federal Rules of Evidence carries a lot more weight with me then someone who "has worked closely" with law enforcement.

And by the way, I never purported to say I was an expert in this stuff. However, I DO know a bit about the subject and I thought my comments would be helpful, especially considering that they were directed to an argument that most people don't even realize the have.

Oh, by the way, my "classroom textbook" is a copy of the Federal Rules of Evidence with advisory committee notes and THE CASELAW...

You?re talking federal there which is a little different than the state level. Get the cali code of justice and then you have an argument. It?s nice your teacher is a federal judge. The viewpoint of one person who probably has an agenda to push is where I get 100% of my information, right. You still preach like you know me and know my intelligence level, you don't. Practical law and classroom book thumping have two different poles on which they exist. Enough.

 

Triumph

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Best thread of the week. "I'll just call the judge and explain it to him and he'll fix everything." HAHAHAHAHAH!!! Sure, that'll work if you're Jack McCoy.
 

EtOH

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Originally posted by: patentman
4. Pray.... The law re: drug possession is notorioulsy strict....I'm not going to sugar coat stuff and say its likely your gonna get off scott free here. But whatever you do, maximize your chances to get the mercy or the court byu being as polite as possible, as well behaved as possible, and as courteous as possible. There is no sense pissing off the judge when he/she is considering whether to throw you in Jail.

5. Finally, be forthright. Portray yourself at all times as an honest individual. The longer you wit to confront this, the more it looks like you are hiding from it.

My father-in-law is a judge and number 4 on this list made me laugh. He told me about a defendant that had been found guilty on some kind of felony. Apparently the defendant didn't realize the trial wasn't over just yet. Defendant started calling my father-in-law a racist, and saying how he was going to kill him when he got out of jail.

My father-in-law's reply to the Defendant was something along the lines of "Oh really? I will keep those threats in mind, you see I haven't sentenced you yet. That is what I am going to be doing now, do you have anything else you would like to add before I sentence you?"

I imagine the defendant wasn't real happy when he realized he cussed out and threatened the judge BEFORE the judge had sentenced him on a felony charge.

EtOH
 

Boxxcar

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Originally posted by: TheOneAndOnlyNavy
Its from Target, and the company that did it (Choicepoint)
Well. this is what it says, i need some clarification.




State: CA
Case Type: FELONY
Offense : POSSESS NARCOTICS
Disposition : PENDING; 11/23/2005: WARRANT ISSUED
Current as of : 4/11/2006

This is gonna hold me back from joining the NAVY. :|
When i went to court 7-05-05 i wasnt even in the computer, and the charge is bogus, I didnt have any drugs.
I know for a fact that i was never called to court, they never send me anything. So what can i do to settle this matter straight?
BTW: I moved to texas.

Ah, but it won't hold you back in getting into the Army. They take criminals!
 

imported_KuJaX

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This thread is fantastic. Good luck to the OP, I hope they throw you in jail.

Lesson here: Don't do drugs. OP - I think that the court systems will believe the cop over you 99 out of 100 times. Your friend admitted to having drugs, why should we believe that you didn't also? Ohhh wait, you said the cop planted them.
 

Meractik

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my brother went through the same things, except what happened to him was a chief police officer pulled him over for picking up a hitch-hiker that unbeknown to my brother was a drug dealer, the cops had been trying to track this guy. so my brother saw him on the side of the road and gave him a 3 mile ride to his house (just being a nice guy i guess...) and later the cops follow my brother to his house, stay there until nightfall and then they knock on my brothers door late at night, he answers.. they force their way in and find a marijuana pipe and charge him with drug posession without telling him, he doesn't get a letter stating he needs to go to court for it because he had some address issues and he never recieved it. either way they where trying to frame him to help him to work with them to catch this drug dealer because they believed he knew him and wouldn't give a stranger a ride, eventually the cops came looking for my brother with a 'warrant' for his arrest stating hes in trouble just to try to get him to continue to coorperate because he helped them a little bit and they wanted more and he was like forget this, im not going to keep giving up my days to do your jobs... and eventually he got a new court date, went to court, adn the judge dismissed teh whole thing based on the circumstances.


so i guess what im trying to tell you is call CA find out whats up and what you need to do to get it expunged, forget having a lawyer as more then likely if it goes to court and the judge you get has a straight head and see's that you're trying to get your life together and are not involved in drugs now and crap and that you want to join the Navy and this si stopping you that they'll expunge it and let you in just call and find out what you need to do.

Btw, im also in the navy (although i didn't have any of these problems) and ill be shipping out june 1st, whatever happens i have faith that you'll make it in just make sure whatever they do you're able to get something in writing so it doesn't try to come back later and haunt you in your career...

best of luck!
 

patentman

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Originally posted by: KuJaX
This thread is fantastic. Good luck to the OP, I hope they throw you in jail.

Lesson here: Don't do drugs. OP - I think that the court systems will believe the cop over you 99 out of 100 times. Your friend admitted to having drugs, why should we believe that you didn't also? Ohhh wait, you said the cop planted them.

Well, for one thing, in the American system of law a person is "innocent until proven guilty." Unless the charge is conspiracy, aiding or abetting, or some similar charge....you cannot (or at least should not) be found guilty of a crime simply by associating with someone who has been convicted of such a crime.
 
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