So I have a "discussion" with a friend today about AMD and Intel

[kyparrish]

Okay, I'm not trying to have a flamefest here, if it turns into that, I'm going to ask the mods to delete the thread.

I have a friend who thinks that Intel products are the absolute be-all end-all of computer processors. He thinks AMD products are in a word, crap. I've owned Athlon's that run ~2.4 GHz with crap ram that cost me $77, but that's never good enough for this guy. His mentality of "Intel must be better because they sell more processors than AMD" is driving me up the wall. This isn't a case of your ignorant computer user either, this guy knows a fair amount about them (except for incessantly calling his tower by the name of "hard drive").

He says "why would I buy an A64 when it supports technology that isn't available right now" argument just makes me stare blindly at him, dumbfounded. THIS IS SO DUMB!!!!1!!! One of his arguments is "Intel has the Itanium processor." HELLO, isn't Itanium pretty much a high-end server RISC processor?

Cliffs notes:
1. Friend thinks Intel>AMD
2. He says A64 uses technology that isn't practical today (even though he agrees it might be practical in a year or so).
3. He calls his tower his "hard drive"
4. Why does Itanium make Intel>AMD for us general computer users!!!

/end rant

 

[jpeyton]

The best way to get through to them is to take them to the strip and beat them (just like with cars).

Unfortunately, if you don't have a nice A64 rig to rub his face into, this might be hard. In that case, don't bother with this guy. Hell, there are people in this world who still hate blacks, jews, gays, etc., and nothing will change their minds.

 

[ScrapSilicon]

ok

 

[splice]

Itanic is actually EPIC. Anyways, if he thinks his computer case is the harddrive, he has no hope. Just let him go, you won't convince him.

 

[Chronoshock]

I think its time for some Xtreme Benchmark Wars!!!!!

 

[kyparrish]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The best way to get through to them is to take them to the strip and beat them (just like with cars).

Unfortunately, if you don't have a nice A64 rig to rub his face into, this might be hard. In that case, don't bother with this guy. Hell, there are people in this world who still hate blacks, jews, gays, etc., and nothing will change their minds.

good points...

I figured that since he's also an enthusiast (I guess) he might think that it's "cool" that a $77 processor @ 2.4 GHz has a PR Rating of like AthlonXP 3400+. BUT he'd rather go drop more money on Intel because it's Intel.

Here's the thing, I'm not an AMD fanboi or anything, but he's just so far up intel's A$$ it's not even funny. I'll say "if you're video encoding, then yes, I would go with Intel," but it's not enough. I have no problem with people dropping money on Intel when it fits their needs. But if this "computer guy" has bought into the marketing hype so much, then I fear for the uninformed general public who is either

a) buying Celeron's because they run @ 2.8 GHz when SemprOn's only run @ 2 GHz
or
b) people buying 3.2GHz Pentiums to surf AOL.

 

[compfreak999]

show him benchmarks of the a64 with the prescott. lol even vs the EE p4 id think the a64 would be it

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The best way to get through to them is to take them to the strip and beat them (just like with cars).

Unfortunately, if you don't have a nice A64 rig to rub his face into, this might be hard. In that case, don't bother with this guy. Hell, there are people in this world who still hate blacks, jews, gays, etc., and nothing will change their minds.

Speaking of hatred, the AMD lovers here have far more hatred than Intel lovers. Just an observation

 

[Yanagi]

I think pretty much both sides has equal hatred towerds the other side. ANyways, thats not why this topic was brought up.Most likely you wont be able to change his mind. I know these kind of guys. But your best bet is to just show some benchmarks up his @ss and see what he tells ya and take it from there.

 

[Gibson12345]

Both platforms have their pros and cons. Don't worry about it. It's not like he's a Cyrix fan or, even worse, a Mac fan. =)

 

[renierh]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Unfortunately, if you don't have a nice A64 rig to rub his face into, this might be hard. In that case, don't bother with this guy. Hell, there are people in this world who still hate blacks, jews, gays, etc., and nothing will change their minds.

I like intel better. am i a racist now?.. help mommy, i don't want to go to jail!!

just because someone prefers something else then you, doesn't make him an idiot. i for one prefer Intel because the Chipsets they work with are developed by the same manufacturer, and tend to give you less issues. i gladly trade the 5 FPS in a game for that. i have a Northwood 3.0 Ghz coupled with a I875P, wich is more then enough speed for me at the moment.

and i kinda like black, jews and gays too. funny huh?

 

[Czar]

show him anands doom3 benchmarks

 

[Acanthus]

Im using intel right now, at the time i built this PC they were in the lead (3.2C vs AXP 3200+ days), if i were to go through a full upgrade, as in platform change and the works, id go AMD. But as it is, im not gonna blow $450 to be 10% faster in doom 3.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The best way to get through to them is to take them to the strip and beat them (just like with cars).

Unfortunately, if you don't have a nice A64 rig to rub his face into, this might be hard. In that case, don't bother with this guy. Hell, there are people in this world who still hate blacks, jews, gays, etc., and nothing will change their minds.

Speaking of hatred, the AMD lovers here have far more hatred than Intel lovers. Just an observation

I think it has more to do with the fact that there are more AMD fanatics around here.
The greatest of them all, GUTB, was an Intel fanatic after all

 

[Shagga]

Whilst there are two main manufacturers of CPU's it will always be the case that some ppl like one and some ppl like the other. One processor is better at somethings than the other and vice versa. This will always be the case.

Why are you winding yourself up about it. This is a no win situation just accept you both have a different opinion. :frown:

<<but Intel is better>> Just kidding

"GUTB" I remember him. Fun days.....

 

[SneakyStuff]

Let him think whateeeeeever he wants, just have the satisfaction you know you're right

 

[LTC8K6]

Until either AMD or Intel start paying me as a salesman, I am not going to spend much time trying to talk anybody into or out of either company's chip. Same goes for ATI / NV.

I will point out a major mistake like buying an FX5200 with 256megs of ram, or buying a Celeron for gaming, etc. Even then, I am not getting into any long arguments about it.

 

[txxxx]

We so need an extra forum for these " X > Y " rants.

To be honest, why are you so racked up about him seeing AMD as better? If its going to profit you, then fair does. However, its not likely to, and if your friend is so blind enough to draw that conclusion, then let him burn his money away.

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: Runner20

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The best way to get through to them is to take them to the strip and beat them (just like with cars).

Unfortunately, if you don't have a nice A64 rig to rub his face into, this might be hard. In that case, don't bother with this guy. Hell, there are people in this world who still hate blacks, jews, gays, etc., and nothing will change their minds.

Speaking of hatred, the AMD lovers here have far more hatred than Intel lovers. Just an observation

I - and many others, just go for what's best performance/price ratio. If it's Intel at the time, then it'll be Intel in my system. If AMD (which has been for a good few years) then AMD it is. Couldnt care less otherwise.

 

[nineball9]

Originally posted by: txxxx

To be honest, why are you so racked up about him seeing AMD as better? If its going to profit you, then fair does. However, its not likely to, and if your friend is so blind enough to draw that conclusion, then let him burn his money away.

Profit for me I own mutual funds with Intel stock, but not AMD stock.

 

[nick1985]

show him benchmarks

 

[boshuter]

Originally posted by: nick1985
show him benchmarks

Yeah..... benchmarks are like statistics.... you can allways find one to back up whatever ridiculous argument you have gotten into.

I'ts like a sig line i saw once... "arguing with someone on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded":roll:

 

[Regs]

We get into discussions like these all the time at the forums. But we base the arguments on actual hardware reviews and benchmarks which usually help trigger them off. This thread just comes out of no where. Don't take it personally.

 

[sandorski]

Wasting your time. If you convince him to buy an AMD system everytime he has a problem he'll be ranting on AMD as the culprit. Let him waste his money, no big woop.

 

[domsq]

As far as I'm concerned, both Intel and AMD produce top quality CPU's. Up until now, I have pretty much always gone with Intel (I'm not a fanboi!)... but that being said, I'm considering getting myself a shiny new A64 3200+ hopefully in the next couple of months.

As a few guys have pointed out, don't be short-sighted and always end up going with a particular manufacturer... base your decision on which offering gives you the best bang for your buck.