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amdhunter

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OK - I kind of get it now. I actually went to the gym and tried my best to get a workout done. I kind of see what you guys are getting at. If I am not taking in any calories, and I am burning more calories, I'll probably end up killing myself.

It's hard to wrap this in my head right now - I am still amazed at losing so much weight in that short a period.

The machine I used had a calorie counter, and it said I burned 500 or so calories (I don't really believe it) but I counted about 250 calories at lunch today. I could see how that can be a problem. If I stay at a deficit, I am going to kill myself.

I have a LOT more endurance now too. Just a few months ago, I couldn't walk a single city block without getting winded, today I ended up with the following results on my first visit to the gym.

Don't make fun of me - this is really an improvement.

 

amdhunter

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RELAX!

You are under 230 today. Your goal is 215 by fall time.

Fall time is Sept 22, 2012. That is 124 days from now or 17 weeks. You need to loose just under a pound a week.

You need a 400-500 calorie deficit.

The fact that you are exercising is a good thing. Exercise and take in 1800-2000 calories a day. Start tracking calories right now:
http://www.fitday.com/

It's simple:
small breakfast. A slice of wheat bread. A banana. Just small.

Salad for lunch. Have it with chicken once in a while.

And a good dinner.

See where that puts you. have a snack at night. air popped popcorn without butter is halthy and low calorie. Enjoy it.

It's a healthy program Just do it.

What you are doing now could kill you. You are "Crying For Help". Either start accepting our help or quit telling us you need help. You don't seem to want it. Get your head out of your ass and grow up and change.

But I've been doing this for months already. When exactly will I start showing symptoms?

I never should have used "cry for" help...makes me sound depressed. I should have just asked for help.
 

amdhunter

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Just because you feel okay doesn't mean it is good for you, you seem fucked in the head anyway, so in my mind, I think your perceptions about what exactly "feeling okay is" to you, vs. what it actually is, are in reality quite different.

As surfsatwerd and repoman said, if you diet the way you are dieting, you'll just become skinny fat, with no muscle. Granted you will weigh less, but you'll look like a sandbag.

Well, I actually am pretty mobile during the day. I move around a lot at work.
 

amdhunter

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OK, taking advice from you guys. Please bear with me, I am very excited lately and even went to the gym 3 of the last 4 days, mainly staying on the treadmill. I want to go again today. I have a really addictive personality, and I am hoping it won't become an obsession.

I am currently 230lbs, and 5'10.

I've calculated my BMR @ 2136.3 and BMI @ 2563.56.

I think I am planning to go for 1500-1800 calories a day. I know many of you will say that is too little calories, but understand that I am not mentally prepared to take in more than that. I don't feel sick, and have plenty of energy. I am afraid if I eat more than this, I won't be able to stop.

That said, I am also going to try and get 3 meals in a day. Something light in the morning, light at lunch and medium at night.

My question is, if I eat 500 calories, and work off 500 calories, is that the same as starving myself?

My goal right now is strictly fat loss, and not muscle gain, at least not yet.
 
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OK, taking advice from you guys. Please bear with me, I am very excited lately and even went to the gym 3 of the last 4 days, mainly staying on the treadmill. I want to go again today. I have a really addictive personality, and I am hoping it won't become an obsession.

I am currently 230lbs, and 5'10.

I've calculated my BMR @ 2136.3 and BMI @ 2563.56.

I think I am planning to go for 1500-1800 calories a day. I know many of you will say that is too little calories, but understand that I am not mentally prepared to take in more than that. I don't feel sick, and have plenty of energy. I am afraid if I eat more than this, I won't be able to stop.

That said, I am also going to try and get 3 meals in a day. Something light in the morning, light at lunch and medium at night.

My question is, if I eat 500 calories, and work off 500 calories, is that the same as starving myself?

My goal right now is strictly fat loss, and not muscle gain, at least not yet.

If you take in 500 calories in one day for a total, you are goign to end up putting your body into starvation mode where your body will try tyo hold on to it's fat reserves. The gym would just make it worse.

Based on everything you said in the quoted post, your intended target of 1500-1800 calories is good. You'll loose about 2 pounds a week in a healthy manner. The small breakfast, small lunch and medium dinner is good. That's bascially what I try to do. If after that you are still under 1500 calories have a small snack at night or increase your intake in one of your meals.

What you will find interesting is that the portions you take in for dinner are what people should be taking in. You'll start to understand why America is becoming obese after you do this for a while.

When tracking calories, keep an eye on protein intake. Sites like Fitday will do this for you as you log your foods. Try to keep protein intake over 60 grams. If you can do so, try to get it closer to 100 grams. It will help you maintain your muscle mass. I know you don' want to build muscle now, but this can minimize what you loose in the process.
 

amdhunter

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If you take in 500 calories in one day for a total, you are goign to end up putting your body into starvation mode where your body will try tyo hold on to it's fat reserves. The gym would just make it worse.

Based on everything you said in the quoted post, your intended target of 1500-1800 calories is good. You'll loose about 2 pounds a week in a healthy manner. The small breakfast, small lunch and medium dinner is good. That's bascially what I try to do. If after that you are still under 1500 calories have a small snack at night or increase your intake in one of your meals.

What you will find interesting is that the portions you take in for dinner are what people should be taking in. You'll start to understand why America is becoming obese after you do this for a while.

When tracking calories, keep an eye on protein intake. Sites like Fitday will do this for you as you log your foods. Try to keep protein intake over 60 grams. If you can do so, try to get it closer to 100 grams. It will help you maintain your muscle mass. I know you don' want to build muscle now, but this can minimize what you loose in the process.

I've been using loseit to track my progress. The only thing that hurts me is most of my food is prepared, and doesn't exist, so a lot of times I am overestimating the calories.

Portion control isn't an issue for me lately. It takes very little to get me satisifed now. For example, I bought some Chinese take out (half-chicken and PFR) and it took 2 days to eat it all. Just a few months ago, I would have eaten the entire thing, with a side order on top.

I am not sure how good I am doing on the treadmill. I can't really run on it, and still trying to keep balance, but I am going to give it my all.
 

surfsatwerk

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My question is, if I eat 500 calories, and work off 500 calories, is that the same as starving myself?

My goal right now is strictly fat loss, and not muscle gain, at least not yet.

Your success is assured, do not let what anybody says sway you from your plan.
 

blinky8225

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I think I am planning to go for 1500-1800 calories a day.

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My goal right now is strictly fat loss, and not muscle gain, at least not yet.

1500-1800 should be enough as long as you aren't training too hard (doesn't sound like you are) and it's 1500-1800 calories of quality food. Make sure you're getting in lots veggies and a few servings of meat to ensure you get your micronutrients and protein. You need the protein because your goal is fat loss not weight loss.

I hope you're not wasting those 1500-1800 calories on donuts, pizza, bread, pasta, or rice as they are pretty much devoid of any nutrition.
 
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1500-1800 should be enough as long as you aren't training too hard (doesn't sound like you are) and it's 1500-1800 calories of quality food. Make sure you're getting in lots veggies and a few servings of meat to ensure you get your micronutrients and protein. You need the protein because your goal is fat loss not weight loss.

I hope you're not wasting those 1500-1800 calories on donuts, pizza, bread, pasta, or rice as they are pretty much devoid of any nutrition.

1500-1800 calories per day is a bad idea. Period. If your BMR is 2100, you eat at least 2100 calories. No ifs, ands, or buts about it (unless you're morbidly obese). Your body will shift your hormonal balance and you won't be nearly as healthy as you would be if you cut above your BMR. Don't get greedy - you didn't gain this weight in a few weeks so why would you lose it in that time? You need to be patient, especially if you think your calories are being overestimated. If you starve yourself, you're not going to hit the goals you want.

What you're doing by cutting your calories extra is feeding into your psychological fear of food. Food is NOT the devil. Food is your friend if you're active, eating healthy foods, and eating the right amounts. You will continue to fall into the cycle if you don't make the firm decision now to not fear food. 2100cal is very little IMO and 1500-1800cal is, for you, a pathologic decision. Just something for thought: I am 5'8", 155lbs, and I can't get by without 2500-2700cal in my day for maintenance. If you're 50lbs heavier than me and taking in 1000cal less than me, something is seriously wrong. This is just an analogy for you. The advice in the fat loss sticky is there for a reason. Do not modify it. Do not feed into your fear. You will lose weight at a reasonable rate, feel better about yourself, and trim down. If you do it the way you're talking about, you will have some significant downsides (excess skin, hormonal changes increasing things like cortisol, body will go into starvation mode and counter your goals, etc).
 
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blinky8225

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1500-1800 calories per day is a bad idea.

I'll have to concede that you're right. I sort of assume that people tend to under count calories or have cheat days where they eat above maintenance, but in this case, that might be a bad assumption since OP seems to have some mental issues with food. Prolonged calorie restriction tends to produce some unfavorable hormonal changes.
 

amdhunter

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I'm just really afraid of gaining even a pound back. I actually did 4 days in the gym, doing medium workout on the treadmills and cycles. All 1 hour sessions, except today which was more like 45 minutes since the machines I wanted to use were not available. (New ones were being put in, and they closed off the area.)

I have developed a new problem, one of my toenails is darkening, I don't think it's my sneaker being too tight either. It hurts, so I am going to take a day off to see what the heck.

Right when I am getting into a groove, something happens to take it all away.
 

Cookie

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Right when I am getting into a groove, something happens to take it all away.

There are going to be hiccups, there are going to be times when you 'fall down'. The key to success is not that you don't have those setbacks, it's that you continue to pick yourself up after you fall, and keep at it.

Don't worry about gaining 'a pound' back. Fluctuations are normal. Start tracking your weight and record it, so you can see the average decrease over time.

If something is wrong with your toe it doesn't mean you stop completely. It just means you do something different until you figure out what's causing the trouble. Find ways to work around the setbacks.

fwiw I have a toe nail that turned black after a 5k run back in February or March. It prevented me from running for 2 or 3 days because it was sore, and it made me be a little more careful during plyometrics in p90x the next day. After it stopped being sore, I tried some different shoes and it's still black months later, but it feels fine and I didn't let it take away 'my groove'. Don't let it be an excuse for you either.
 

RbSX

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There are going to be hiccups, there are going to be times when you 'fall down'. The key to success is not that you don't have those setbacks, it's that you continue to pick yourself up after you fall, and keep at it.

Don't worry about gaining 'a pound' back. Fluctuations are normal. Start tracking your weight and record it, so you can see the average decrease over time.

If something is wrong with your toe it doesn't mean you stop completely. It just means you do something different until you figure out what's causing the trouble. Find ways to work around the setbacks.

fwiw I have a toe nail that turned black after a 5k run back in February or March. It prevented me from running for 2 or 3 days because it was sore, and it made me be a little more careful during plyometrics in p90x the next day. After it stopped being sore, I tried some different shoes and it's still black months later, but it feels fine and I didn't let it take away 'my groove'. Don't let it be an excuse for you either.

Agreed.

Everytime I workout and get myself into "good shape" I inevitably end up getting sick, or stressed out, or busy, to the point where my workouts either don't happen or are ineffective. This usually results in me taking a break for 4 or 5 days.

If I weigh in at 185 pounds after a 4 week span, I'll end up going back to 187-188ish, but when I hit my next 4 weeks, I'll end up at 183, for a gain a loss overall of two pounds.

It's not a consistent straight line, however, the key is to get back up and keep working on it. I used to be 215 pounds, after I broke up with my last girlfriend my weight plunged to 170, now I'm back up to around 190 (with a decent amount of mass across the shoulders, back and legs).

It can be done, but your fucked up mental state doesn't help.
 

melchoir

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Keep up the good work. Everyone posting is just jealous that they don't have the mental toughness to work as hard as you.

You can easily drop 2lbs/wk, possibly more at this rate, so get to it.
 
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I'm just really afraid of gaining even a pound back. I actually did 4 days in the gym, doing medium workout on the treadmills and cycles. All 1 hour sessions, except today which was more like 45 minutes since the machines I wanted to use were not available. (New ones were being put in, and they closed off the area.)

I have developed a new problem, one of my toenails is darkening, I don't think it's my sneaker being too tight either. It hurts, so I am going to take a day off to see what the heck.

Right when I am getting into a groove, something happens to take it all away.

If your doing an hour of cardio, increase your calories to atleast 2000 calories.

Google for some calorie burn estiamtes for treadmills and otehr equipment you use.
 

RbSX

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Keep up the good work. Everyone posting is just jealous that they don't have the mental toughness to work as hard as you.

You can easily drop 2lbs/wk, possibly more at this rate, so get to it.

Uhhhhh
 

melchoir

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If you have access to a sauna don't pass up the chance to use it. 30 or so minutes is good, anything longer gets pretty tough.

Fighters use them to make weight, so can you!
 

surfsatwerk

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If you have access to a sauna don't pass up the chance to use it. 30 or so minutes is good, anything longer gets pretty tough.

Fighters use them to make weight, so can you!

Don't forget about water pills and stimulants like clenbuterol. You can easily access these products by purchasing them online as "research chemicals".

Once you get to your desired weight just increase your dosage to stay slim and trim the rest of your life!
 

Saint Nick

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Don't forget about water pills and stimulants like clenbuterol. You can easily access these products by purchasing them online as "research chemicals".

Once you get to your desired weight just increase your dosage to stay slim and trim the rest of your life!
LOLlll
 
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If you have access to a sauna don't pass up the chance to use it. 30 or so minutes is good, anything longer gets pretty tough.

Fighters use them to make weight, so can you!

You're an idiot.

Losing water weight doesn't mean you're any less fat. It just means you're dehydrated, your blood viscosity has increased, you're at risk for hypernatremia, hyperkalemia, heart arrhythmias, and you don't have the appropriate fluid within your cells to manage metabolism. That's really helpful for losing fat.
 

Crono

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- LONG POST WARNING -
Hey amdhunter, I'm in a similar boat as you. I'm 5' 11", 213 lbs as of this morning (I weigh myself every day). I was 225 lbs a month ago, and currently on my own plan for weight loss. I used to be 185 lbs a few years ago after engaging in a self-made weight loss plan, but recently put on weight because of lack of sleep and poor eating habits. I work nights, and have a lot of stuff I do in my spare time (church stuff, repair computers, study history, writing a novel, etc.), and generally I get lazy with my eating and exercise schedule. But I've changed my schedule, been working at a new place with slightly more tolerable hours, and made time to exercise.
I've lost 25+ lbs in the past before - which isn't as much as others, but I know a good deal (at least compared to most people) about nutrition and how to lose weight, both from actual observation of myself and from a lot of reading. So I'm gonna toss a bunch of tips at you, partly to help you out (hopefully) and also to remind myself of what my own plan is so I can stick to it.

1. Caloric Intake - 1,800 calories should be your minimum intake. For me - and I weigh a little less than you - I've found that my actual (not calculated) caloric needs to maintain my weight is ~ 2,400 calories. I've tried different equations for BMR and BMI, and those are fine ballpark figures, but nothing beats tracking my own weight and calorie intake over the years. And basically I found out that I need 2,400 calories a day when I'm not exercising to keep my weight.

Now, 1,500 calories (as per your OP) will guarantee you will lose weight, but from experience dropping that low tends to have side effects (namely hunger, irritability, and lethargy) and it's very hard to maintain that long term. For me, 1,800 is the minimum I need to not feel hungry at the end of the day, and I need a little more (2,200 calories total) if I have a typical workout session that day (which is treadmill or exercise bike 30 minutes to an hour plus 2 sets of free weight lifting). I lose a third a lb (avg) this way, and it's steady and I can do it long term. 1,800 calories is also what I've seen recommended (and I can dig up the studies, if it helps) for men in general, as it is sustainable for the largest number of menand is effective at producing weight loss.


2. Curbing appetite - Consume protein. Personally, I'm not a fan of protein drinks or bars anymore, and really those are good for gaining muscle but not for someone dieting. I eat a lot of fish (tuna and canned sardines as snacks), eggs, whole grain rice w/beans, and eat burgers from time to time. I love chicken sandwiches, too, and usually pan fry them myself. Protein is satisfying, it helps maintain muscle, and it requires more calories to metabolize protein than carbohydrates. A mix of protein types/sources helps; I drink milk and eat soy (tofu), but not as often as I would like.

Don't cut fat out of the equation, though, nor carbs. Focus on getting more protein in your diet, but don't go Atkins (some may disagree, but this is my view). Fat is good because it takes ~ 6 hours to fully metabolize, which means you won't be hungry as quickly when you have, say, a few strips of crispy bacon with your morning toast. Carbohydrates are good for quick energy boost, and they won't spike your blood sugar or make you tired so long as you don't overdo carbohydrate intake. Whole grain is the way to go because of fiber (cleanse that colon!) which stablizes blood sugar and it's also more filling. I like bread brands which have seeds and oats baked in. White bread and white flour is the devil.

- Go for high potassium foods. Not just because of potassium itself (which naturally counters sodium which raises blood pressure, and is good for general health) but foods naturally high in potassium are rich in other nutrients and are satiating. I love to snack on baby carrots, nuts (hey, stop giggling!), unsalted sunflower seeds, cantaloupes, raisins (great for sudden sugar craving), berries and other healthy fruits and vegetables.

- Replace liquid calories (soda, juice, sweetened coffee, etc) with unsweetened drinks. Or just plain water. For me, this isn't too hard. I love tea and black coffee. For me, it's one or two cups of coffee at the start of my day (which is actually 4PM), and several cups of green, white or black tea throughout the day. Green tea is an acquired taste, but I loved it after a few tries a couple years ago. It helps to have a nice porcelain cup and a ritual or schedule to follow, as it's very calming and stress reducing.

There are many, many studies on the health effects of green tea (lowers blood sugar, acts as antimicrobial, polyphenols lower risk of cancer and heart disease, fluoride helps fight tooth decay, etc) but in particular it has a thermogenic effect which contributes to weight loss in those who drink it regularly as part of a diet. Also, just drinking the tea itself (unsweetened, no milk) curbs my appetite after a meal or snack, as it cleanses the palate a bit and gives a fresh clean feeling to my mouth (insert Orbit commercial here). Especially since I like mint and jasmine tea.
Tea is not everyone's...well, cup of tea, but it has been great for me. I never gain weight when I find the time to drink tea throughout the day. It's a fantastic way to gain energy focus, as well, as it has just a little caffeine (which also boosts your metabolism a smidgen). I also make sure to stay hydrated throughout the day from plain old water.



3. Exercise - 30 minutes to an hour 3 - 5 times a week. I find it really hard to do more than this and be on a calorie restricted diet at the same time. And it becomes easy to rationalize extra calories when I say to myself, "well, I just burned a ton of calories so an extra snack or two (which quickly becomes a meal) is okay". For me, diet is priority over exercise. It might be different for you, but that has been my experience. I think any exercise that gets your heart going for at least 30 minutes is good. I have a heart rate monitor so I make sure I'm in my target heart rate zone. I don't want to do too little exercise or over exert myself, and the heart rate monitor has helped me figure out the way to balance my workout. My asthma used to be a problem when I was younger up until college 5 years ago, but now I never need an inhaler. My lung capacity still sucks compared to the average person, but I'm gain endurance slowly and I hope to be fit, if not athletic, in a few months time.

I highly, highly recommend Nike Free shoes for both casual and gym wear. My feet never hurt, and they are breathable, which reduces sweating.
They have a longer "break in" period, but so worth it. I thought the claim Nike made about the shoes "strengthening your feet" was bogus at first, but they do, and I've worn nothing but Nike Frees the past 5 years or so. I'm not plugging Nike, though, as other shoes that mimic the natural flexing of the foot are probably just as good or better.



That's basically my diet and plan in a nutshell.
I read up on health stuff from time to time to keep me motivated and informed (but not so much that contradicting studies drive me nuts), and I don't restrict myself too much beyond the calorie intake of 1,800 to 2,200 calories. I give myself a little wiggle room - I can eat a McDonald's hamburger or two for lunch (2 regular hamburgers = 500 calories total) and drink coffee (0 calories) for lunch, so long as I snack on carrots (< 50 calories per serving) at work and maintain around 600 calories for my other 2 meals. Calorie counting isn't too bad - and you can lose a few pounds a week over time, which is the goal - if you don't go crazy. Don't worry too much about what others think, and remember you are doing this for yourself. If you let yourself get wrapped up in what everyone else is thinking, you will become obsessive - and that's no good for a diet or for life in general.

Anyway, that's what works for me. I'm sticking with it until I'm down to 175, and I'll keep you updated on my progress once a week. Maybe my future weight loss can inspire you, as reading your thread has motivated me this morning.

Keep down the weight, and keep up the weight loss! I'll keep checking this thread. Accountability helps - we'll make fun of you if you fail
Or at least the ATOT fools will... Health and Fitness is actually a bit more serious and civil...
 
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rga

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Hey amdhunter, I'm in a similar boat as you. I'm 5' 11", 213 lbs as of this morning (I weigh myself every day). I was 225 lbs a month ago, and currently on my own plan for weight loss...

...1. Caloric Intake - 1,800 calories should be your minimum intake. For me - and I weigh a little less than you - I've found that my actual (not calculated) caloric needs to maintain my weight is ~ 2,400 calories.

If you only need 2400 caloriesto maintain your weight at 225, you have very little lean muscle mass, or you are very sedentary. Probably both.

The rest of your 'tips' are basically a regurgitation of SC's fat loss sticky thread, except not as informative.

Also, threatening to make fun of somebody if they fail is ridiculous. It is not a good way to motivate somebody. Who are you to make fun of him anyway? Just another random fatass hiding behind a computer screen.

But I digress...

AMDHunter, how's your weight loss journey going?
 
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Pia

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Keep up the good work. Everyone posting is just jealous that they don't have the mental toughness to work as hard as you.

You can easily drop 2lbs/wk, possibly more at this rate, so get to it.
You forgot to suggest he should go on methamphetamine.
 

tedrodai

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- LONG POST WARNING -<br />
Hey amdhunter, I'm in a similar boat as you. I'm 5' 11", 213 lbs as of this morning (I weigh myself every day). I was 225 lbs a month ago, and currently on my own plan for weight loss...<br />
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...1. <b>Caloric Intake </b>- 1,800 calories should be your minimum intake. For me - and I weigh a little less than you - I've found that my <i>actual </i>(not calculated) caloric needs to maintain my weight is ~ 2,400 calories.
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If you only need 2400 caloriesto maintain your weight at 225, you have very little lean muscle mass, or you are very sedentary. Probably both.<br />
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The rest of your 'tips' are basically a regurgitation of SC's fat loss sticky thread, except not as informative.<br />
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Also, threatening to make fun of somebody if they fail is ridiculous. It is not a good way to motivate somebody. Who are you to make fun of him anyway? Just another random fatass hiding behind a computer screen. <br />
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But I digress...<br />
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AMDHunter, how's your weight loss journey going?

Yes, you digress. Bash his 'make fun of' comment then make fun of him... *sigh*
 
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