So, I just played xbox360

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: NFS4
**SIGH**

I don't know what else to say. My head hurts.

Other than "go buy an HDTV" or "go play it on an HDTV", I'm not sure what you've said to start with.

The console supports SDTV, the game doesn't, and doesn't tell you such - potentially alienating a large portion of the purchasers of the game (statistically, 80-some% - that's the likelihood you don't have an HDTV if you're an American citizen)

But the text problem (a known complaint with Dead Rising on SDTV) is not your ONLY complaint. You made the blanket statement that one of the best looking games on the 360 looks like crap on your TV.

Well no sh#t. We all know why

 

[arod]

im gonna agree with most here and say you are way off base.... and others have summed up the reasoning pretty well. But the root of the argument is you are pairing up a old piece of tech with a new one. The system will always be as weak as its worst component. You wouldnt throw in a video card from 1998 in a pc of today and expect it to play as well as a videocard and processor of today. Same applies to ps3/360 and a hdtv.

that said GET MORE THAN ONE GAME before you judge the whole system..... play on live, get some demos, hook up media center etc. And then buy an hdtv and come and bitch.

 

[mugs]

TONY! Can I call you Tony? Or do you prefer T-Bone? I think T-Bone would be a good nickname for you. Could you please tell me why you think the Dualshock controller is anything more than a flaming turd?

Your friend in MIKEMIKE,
mugs

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: mugs
It wasn't designed to use the D-pad and the analog stick at the same time, it was designed to use one or the other. So developers could choose which to use. It was a transition controller.

Admittedly it sucks. But I still think it's better than or equal to the DualShock controller. And compared to the competitors' options at the time... it was the only one that even HAD an analog stick.

That's probably what pissed me off years ago when it came out. Hell, the jump key being different from Mario to Metroid tends to piss me off, let alone an entire movement system.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: arod
im gonna agree with most here and say you are way off base.... and others have summed up the reasoning pretty well. But the root of the argument is you are pairing up a old piece of tech with a new one. The system will always be as weak as its worst component. You wouldnt throw in a video card from 1998 in a pc of today and expect it to play as well as a videocard and processor of today. Same applies to ps3/360 and a hdtv.

that said GET MORE THAN ONE GAME before you judge the whole system..... play on live, get some demos, hook up media center etc. And then buy an hdtv and come and bitch.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Raduque]

Weakest. Bitchfest. Evar. Go take your Mydol and try again on a big-screen HDTV.

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

This is how the xbox could be competitive even though it essentially amounted to a GeForce 2 and a Celeron 600 - because every last one they ever built was like that.

It was a 4-pipe, 2-shader GeForce3 chip (NV2A) and a 733mhz Mobile Celeron w/ the p3-s 8-way associative cache.

edit: one more

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

It's not your problem, because you're not in that market. I, however, am. And I can afford neither an xbox 360, nor any TV other than this 2004-vintage Magnavox. Hell, right now, I don't even think I can afford a single game.

That's not Microsoft or Dead Rising's dev's problem, either. Maybe if you hadn't been spending all that money in '98 on CRTs capable of 1920x1080, you'd be able to afford a nice HDTV

Hint: not everything has to be purchased outright, though you end up paying more for it in the end.

edit2: fixed quote tags

 

[cherrytwist]

I share a 360 with a friend. Neither one of us could justify the expense (well, he would have gotten one on his own, eventually). Regardless, my main reason for getting it was for NHL 07 with the "next gen" controls. The right analog stick acts as your hockey stick, basically.

I've been playing hockey games since 93 originally on NES, and I have to say, this is the best thing to happen to video hockey.

It's doubtful that the same controls will ever come to the PC version, so this was pretty much the only way to get the game I wanted.

There are many other games coming down the pike for the 360 that I would normally not be interested in. But it's nice to have the option to play them.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS
So you're judging the system by one game? Go away you Sony fan boy.

From what I'm told, it's the "killer app" for that system at this point.

And calling me a Sony fanboy is rather idiotic, considering I expect the PS3 to fail miserably.

And calling me a Nintendo fanboy would be pretty damned stupid, too, because I'm fundamentally opposed to many things Nintendo is doing with the Wii.

If anything, I'm a Sega fanboy. And Sega isn't making a next-gen console (They could stuff the Dreamcast in a new chassis and add some copy protection and put up a good fight, though)

No its not dead rising sucks ass..

crappy grafics.. bad gameplay and a fustrating game..
its definatly not the killer app..

there are WAY better 360 games out there. better looking and better playing.

 

[Ulfhednar]

I've played the Xbox 360 versions of Oblivion, Burnout, Perfect Dark, and Dead Rising both on standard TV and 720p HD-LCD and like you I was completely and utterly unimpressed. Ignore the fanboys.

I see no reason to get rid of my original Xbox for one of these either, as I only use it when friends are over anyway. If I do feel the need to replace it, it'll be when prices drop, and even then it'll be a Wii because I can't justify spending so much money on something that makes games look so crap.

I have a PC to suit my personal gaming needs. PC > Console.

Call me when the Xbox 360 actually renders anisotropic filtering, every game I played looked like sheer and utter crap.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Overall: 5/10 (Where PS2 is 5/10)


Comments on PSU: I've only ever seen one other hardware device that required a keyed power cable like that. It was a server drawing more than 10A. More likely this was a case where they just did that to prevent people from using normal cables when they inevitably roll over the one with a chair, but whatever. Also, it's bigger than my PS2 and gamecube combined. And that's just the power adapter.

Comments on controller: Better than the xbox original, better than the xbox S, worse than the Dualshock 2.

Comments on aesthetics: It still looks like an Apple product.

Comments on the graphics (Dead Rising or whatever that Zombie game is, plain 'ol TV, composite input): What in the name of god is everyone so excited about!?!? It looks JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER 3d game in the past few years. Sure, there's more ****** on the screen. Whoopty friggin' do. Even on an HDTV running at 1080p, it's only JUST BARELY drawing more pixels than my PC's video card was drawing in 1998. Thereby, the precision on the vector math can be turned waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down. Also, on a normal TV, the fvcking text is unreadable.

Comments on the game (That damned Zombie game): Unreadable text, somewhat fun, I'd play it through if they stuck it on a REAL gaming platform (PC) and not the bullshit kid's stuff.

Playing XBOX 360 on a standard TV and then bitching about it not looking good is like driving a Honda S2000 only in first gear and then complaining that it is slow as f&^k. If you don't have an HDTV, why the *&#$^ would you even bother?

And Dead Rising looks flippin' fantastic on our 32" HDTV.

As for the controller, it's MILES ahead of the Dual Shock controller and the analog sticks are perfectly placed.

Besides, this rant sounds like some sh!t that a high schooler would come up with. Play one game on a less than optimum TV, then complain like a little *****

You guys forget that teenagers and early 20's make up a HUGE segment of the video game market. At HUNDREDS of dollars a unit, plus $60/game, you're already stretching that market's budget thin.

$2000 for a 1080p TV is completely above and beyond being even a part of the equation. $500 for an EDTV is even borderline.

actually your a bit wrong here too.. the gamer demographic is older now than you think.. and we have money to spend.

and why in the name of homers handgrenade are you adding in the cost of an HDTV to the price when you dont need one..

VGA cable set turns any monitor into HD with the 360 and everyone has a PC monitor..

also I use a 35 inch normal TV with componant input and I am more than happy with how it looks....
(i can read dead risings font just fine too its large enough and crystal clear)

 

[0roo0roo]

op is a dumbass. try playing any pc game outputed to a "plain ol tv over composite input" and it'll look like total garbage. you could have quad sli and it would still look like garbage

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
op is a dumbass. try playing any pc game outputed to a "plain ol tv over composite input" and it'll look like total garbage.

See my post, second to last on Page 3.

 

[wasssup]

I bought a premium 360 a little over 2 months ago ($400..ugh). Played it for a total of 1 hour (if even).

I think it's time to sell it...

 

[sillycheesedude]

I buying a Wii. The X-Box 360 has yet to come out with a game that feel like I need(except for oblivion) and The PS3 costs more that I am willing to spend on a console. I would rather spend that extra money on more hardrive space or ram for my pc. Oh yeah did I mention that my pc playes oblivion just fine.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
op is a dumbass. try playing any pc game outputed to a "plain ol tv over composite input" and it'll look like total garbage.

See my post, second to last on Page 3.

um, your video card alone cost more than the xbox. you are exactly the kind of l33t geek that scoffs at consoles. and thats fine.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
op is a dumbass. try playing any pc game outputed to a "plain ol tv over composite input" and it'll look like total garbage.

See my post, second to last on Page 3.

um, your video card alone cost more than the xbox. you are exactly the kind of l33t geek that scoffs at consoles. and thats fine.

No, my entire computer costed £600. With the 19" widescreen LCD monitor and 5.1 speaker setup that's £800 total.

Oddly enough my friend's X360 + LG 720p LCD costed £800.

I got much better bang for my buck IMO because his games can't even use a keyboard and mouse, never mind render more than 2xAA and 0xAF. He was pretty annoyed when he saw my PC playing Oblivion with HDR, 6xAA, 16xAF, and mods for the same price he paid for his X360 setup, and rightfully so.

Even all that aside the X360 should at least be able to do anisotropic filtering, they do after call claim it does 2xAA "for free." Games just purely look like crap on the X360, fact.

 

[0roo0roo]

um how did you manage buying a pc for so little. because hot deal or five finger discounts that no one else can get really don't count. as for including the big screen tv's cost with the with xbox, i don't think so, its useful as a normal tv/hdtv/home theater that most people would get anyways. a large hdtv is a better value for most people. people would rather spend more on a tv and be able to enjoy hdtv and films and use a much smaller screen to do their web/wordprocessing/email/spreadsheets than the other way around. its just reality.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
um how did you manage buying a pc for so little. because hot deal or five finger discounts that no one else can get really don't count. as for including the big screen tv's cost with the with xbox, i don't think so, its useful as a normal tv/hdtv/home theater that most people would get anyways.

Um, no? I bought all my stuff brand-new, with 17.5% tax, at Overclockers UK.

Standard pricing really.

And why not include the HDTV in the price? Maybe the X360 fanboys in this thread should've thought of that before saying "omg j00 lam3r try on 720p n00b!"

I didn't even include the cost of my friend's sound system, be thankful I am so nice.

If we're talking SDTV then fine; I can build a semi-crap PC for £200 that can do S-Video out and play Oblivion in higher detail than an Xbox 360 can at 640x480 with keyboard and mouse support + mods.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The OP, and his sycophants in this thread, are way off-base IMO. Your PC would also look like crap running through a composite connection to an SDTV. The Xbox 360, at this moment in history, presents a higher-quality image to an SDTV than any gaming system ever developed, but it can't magically make your SDTV not suck. It seems to me that, with all due respect, buying an SDTV in 2004 was probably pennywise but pound foolish.

The fact of the matter is that many of us (myself included) would own an HDTV even if gaming consoles didn't exist. The fact that they do is a fringe benefit. I think a cost comparison between consoles and PCs that factors in the cost of the TV is absurd, particularly since a 360 can be run through a monitor the same way a PC can, if you're too much of a cheapskate to buy an HDTV. Notwithstanding some of the bizarre comparisons posted here, a PC with horsepower even approaching an Xbox 360 will cost minimally three times as much (at least here in the US - I can't really speak to the relative costs overseas). Obviously it will also perform a lot of functions the 360 can't, but then again there's presumably not a single person here who doesn't own a computer, so . . .

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Your PC would also look like crap running through a composite connection to an SDTV.

I have played Oblivion, Burnout, Perfect Dark, and Dead Rising on the X360 in both SDTV/PAL and 720p and they looked like crap. The X360 doesn't even render anisotropic filtering from what I can see.

Originally posted by: DonVito
A PC with horsepower even approaching an Xbox 360 will cost minimally three times as much (at least here in the US - I can't really speak to the relative costs overseas).

As I've said; The rig in my signature costed £800 (that includes the monitor and speakers.) The X360 and LG 720p LCD my friend has costed £800 (that does not include his sound system.)

My friend was pissed when he saw my PC playing Oblivion in 1440x900 (ooh, 900p!) with HDR, 6xAA, 16xAF, and a load of eye-candy mods. He is now planning to recoup his losses by selling his X360 etc. high and upgrade his already half-decent PC to my spec.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: DonVitoYour PC would also look like crap running through a composite connection to an SDTV.

I have played Oblivion, Burnout, Perfect Dark, and Dead Rising on the X360 in both SDTV/PAL and 720p and they looked like crap. The X360 doesn't even render anisotropic filtering from what I can see.

Originally posted by: DonVitoA PC with horsepower even approaching an Xbox 360 will cost minimally three times as much (at least here in the US - I can't really speak to the relative costs overseas).

As I've said; The rig in my signature costed £800 (that includes the monitor and speakers.) The X360 and LG 720p LCD my friend has costed £800 (that does not include his sound system.)

Please stop saying "costed," which isn't a word.

As I clearly said, I think any cost comparison that includes the price of the TV is absurd. Your friend's 360 could just as easily plug into your monitor, if he too wanted to sit next to such a small screen.

A PC like yours can't be built in the US for less than $1,200. A 360 Premium can be found for less than $350. As you well know, your friend's upgrades will cost far more than his 360 - your video card alone costs as much as a 360.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Please stop saying "costed," which isn't a word.

How does this have anything to do with what I am saying?

Originally posted by: DonVito
As I clearly said, I think any cost comparison that includes the price of the TV is absurd. Your friend's 360 could just as easily plug into your monitor, if he too wanted to sit next to such a small screen.

He could just as easily keep his LG 720p panel and upgrade his PC, thus he would still be able to play in the living room in 720p with much more eyecandy plus the ability to surf the web and use IM/email/etc.

Just the same way I could've easily bought a larger monitor, but 19" is big enough for me as I do my PC gaming at a desk. I could also buy the same 720p LCD, it would cost more but the benefits over an Xbox 360 on the same display would be more than enough justification, however like I said I play at a desk and 28"+ LCD looks like ass from 3ft. away.

Originally posted by: DonVito
A PC like yours can't be built in the US for less than $1,200. A 360 Premium can be found for less than $350.

My PC costed £600 without the monitor and speakers, so $1,200 sounds accurate to me and I don't see the problem?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: DonVito
As I clearly said, I think any cost comparison that includes the price of the TV is absurd. Your friend's 360 could just as easily plug into your monitor, if he too wanted to sit next to such a small screen.

He could just as easily keep his LG 720p panel and upgrade his PC, thus he would still be able to play in the living room in 720p with much more eyecandy plus the ability to surf the web and use IM/email/etc.

Just the same way I could've easily bought a larger monitor, but 19" is big enough for me as I do my PC gaming at a desk.

So, if he does that, will you agree that his PC "costed" far more than a 360, since the cost of the TV is then included in the PC? At that point, his PC will have "costed" something like 1,200 - 1,400 pounds, according to your calculations. You really aren't disputing that your PC "costed" 3 times as much as a 360, exclusive of the TV, which pretty much moots your own argument.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
um how did you manage buying a pc for so little. because hot deal or five finger discounts that no one else can get really don't count. as for including the big screen tv's cost with the with xbox, i don't think so, its useful as a normal tv/hdtv/home theater that most people would get anyways.

Um, no? I bought all my stuff brand-new, with 17.5% tax, at Overclockers UK.

Standard pricing really.

And why not include the HDTV in the price? Maybe the X360 fanboys in this thread should've thought of that before saying "omg j00 lam3r try on 720p n00b!"

I didn't even include the cost of my friend's sound system, be thankful I am so nice.

If we're talking SDTV then fine; I can build a semi-crap PC for £200 that can do S-Video out and play Oblivion in higher detail than an Xbox 360 can at 640x480 with keyboard and mouse support + mods.

Intel Core 2 DUO E6300 - £107.99

Cheapest 512 1900XT on overclockers UK - £209.99

GSkill DDR 800 2GB - £139.99 (Again - very cheapest with high latency and not very good ram)

The very cheapest Hyundai ImageQuest LCD (Piece of Crap - their good Hyundai 19" monitors is 294.99 or 205 for the L19T) - £139.99

These 4 components ALONE cost 597.96.

This does NOT include:
Hard Drive
Motherboard
Keyboard
Mouse
CD/DVD Drive
Speakers
Soundcard
Scythe Ninja Plus
Zalman VF900-CU VGA Cooler
Case
PSU

So you are telling me you can pick up all of that for a only 200 pounds? Holy sh1t I'm moving with you elitest sumbags to europe!


Overclocked UK
A. Doesn't sell the Connect3D cards - So I used the lowest cost 512 Card
B. Doesn't carry the Logitech X-530 speakers - These speakers are only $42 in the USA.


So can you PLEASE explain how you "only" spent 600-800 Pounds on a total computer, while your friend spent 800 for a fully functional xBox 360 and LCD TV? You did NOT spend that amount of money for a full computer.

You're full of sh1t. Morons like you shouldn't open your mouth. You're just pissed off that you're so Poor that you cannot afford both. Myself? I have a E6600 w/ a 7900 GT KO. My computer is better than yours - but I love my xBox 360 and 50" Plasma TV. There's nothing little fleas like you can say to change that. I spent money, yes, but I make money.

They both have their own points. I'd rather myself and friends, or my son and his friends, be able to sit around and play all sorts of games. It's about having a good time. I can fire up the Xbox and play Arcade games or any other game. I can also run down to the store and rent a game on the spot. How many local places rent PC games?

Please STFU until you have a clue.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: DonVito
Your PC would also look like crap running through a composite connection to an SDTV.

I have played Oblivion, Burnout, Perfect Dark, and Dead Rising on the X360 in both SDTV/PAL and 720p and they looked like crap. The X360 doesn't even render anisotropic filtering from what I can see.

Originally posted by: DonVito
A PC with horsepower even approaching an Xbox 360 will cost minimally three times as much (at least here in the US - I can't really speak to the relative costs overseas).

As I've said; The rig in my signature costed £800 (that includes the monitor and speakers.) The X360 and LG 720p LCD my friend has costed £800 (that does not include his sound system.)

My friend was pissed when he saw my PC playing Oblivion in 1440x900 (ooh, 900p!) with HDR, 6xAA, 16xAF, and a load of eye-candy mods. He is now planning to recoup his losses by selling his X360 etc. high and upgrade his already half-decent PC to my spec.

ugh the reason including a large hdtvs cost is unfair and unreasonble is becuase you are comparing a 19" lcd vs something much larger which is just absurd. if you are gonig to include display prices than include displays of the same price, which basically makes doing such a thing pointless. larger screen = more immersive, no way around it, larger screen is also more costly regardless of platform.

so to be fair and honest you have to do this. your friend spend $1515/£800 on his xbox+hdtv. that means the screen cost atleast $1100 assuming he bougth xbox premium. $1200 if he bought core. now add a screen of equivalent price(very very easily to do with pc's) to your pc and your pc now costs $2200-$2756 dollars depending on how much we assume your pc cost. thats £1,454 btw. either way its not a savings. and that money isn't going to buy you a screen of equivalent size for watching films either.

so either way you spent over double just for the computer and thats assuming you bought some sh*t parts along with the main internals.
more realistically its almost 4 times more.

pricing from newegg when possible
Intel Core duo2 E6300 $180.00
scythe ninja plus 39.99
2048MB OCZ GOLD 2GB DDR2 800 $240
Connect3D Radeon X1900XT 512MB $353
Zalman VF900-CU VGA Cooler $48.99
case(i'll pretend you bought garbage) $50
psu(same assumption to be charitable) $50
kb + mouse(same assumption) $20
m/b (same assumption) $99
harddrive(same assumption) $99
optical drive(same assumption) $75
total : $1254 excluding tax and shipping

now assuming the average pc gamer isn't a cheap skate cutting corners like that
change harddrive to $200
change mouse to $50
change keyboard to $20
change case to $100
change psu to $100
change m/b to $150
New total:$1556 or £821excluding tax and shipping

and all this is excluding labor and fustration, installtion/debug/shopping of course.

so as i said, you are not being reasonble, you are a l33t geek who lives in a bubble.

oops i forgot the o/s. and no, i really don't think you are playing games on linux add another $99 just for xp home.