So, I just played xbox360

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
So can you PLEASE explain how you "only" spent 600 Pounds on a total computer, while your friend spent 800 for a fully functional xBox 360 and LCD TV? You did NOT spend that amount of money for a full computer.

Um, yes I did. It's a shame that you don't consider how prices change.

I would scan in my reciept for you, but I don't have a scanner and i would have a problem with that even if I did have one.

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
You're full of sh1t. Morons like you shouldn't open your mouth. You're just pissed off that you're so Poor that you cannot afford both. Myself? I have a E6600 w/ a 7900 GT KO. My computer is better than yours - but I love my xBox 360 and 50" Plasma TV. There's nothing little fleas like you can say to change that. I spent money, yes, but I make money.

LOL! I could afford both, I just don't see the point in buying an Xbox 360 when I have an Xbox already and a PC. I'm sure your 7900GT beats the ****** out of my X1900XT 512MB too, how does Oblivion look with HDR&AA for you? :roll:

Grow up.

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
They both have their own points. I'd rather myself and friends, or my son and his friends, be able to sit around and play all sorts of games. It's about having a good time. I can fire up the Xbox and play Arcade games or any other game. I can also run down to the store and rent a game on the spot. How many local places rent PC games?

Please STFU until you have a clue.

I know that both have their advantages, and I already said that I like consoles as a party machine. As a party machine though my Xbox suffices and I see no reason to upgrade to an Xbox 360 for the price, and would upgrade it to a Wii instead.

I don't understand why you fanboys are getting so insanely stressed that I "dissed" your console, enough to resort to pure insult in the above sad case.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: DonVito
So, if he does that, will you agree that his PC "costed" far more than a 360, since the cost of the TV is then included in the PC? At that point, his PC will have "costed" something like 1,200 - 1,400 pounds, according to your calculations. You really aren't disputing that your PC "costed" 3 times as much as a 360, exclusive of the TV, which pretty much moots your own argument.

If he wanted to run his PC on a 720p LCD of course it would cost more, if he wanted to play at his desk he wouldn't.

If he wanted to run his PC on a 720p LCD he would also gain the benefits of being able to do everything a PC can do aside from play games. I bet you're not posting these messages from an Xbox 360.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
So can you PLEASE explain how you "only" spent 600 Pounds on a total computer, while your friend spent 800 for a fully functional xBox 360 and LCD TV? You did NOT spend that amount of money for a full computer.

Um, yes I did. It's a shame that you don't consider how prices change.

The only way they change, at least in the last few years, is that they go down. CPU and RAM prices do fluctuate somewhat, but neither has had meaningful increases at any time since the parts you used hit the market. They certainly haven't increased by 25% since you bought your system. It is indeed hard to see how your PC could have "costed" 600 pounds.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: DonVito
So, if he does that, will you agree that his PC "costed" far more than a 360, since the cost of the TV is then included in the PC? At that point, his PC will have "costed" something like 1,200 - 1,400 pounds, according to your calculations. You really aren't disputing that your PC "costed" 3 times as much as a 360, exclusive of the TV, which pretty much moots your own argument.

If he wanted to run his PC on a 720p LCD of course it would cost more, if he wanted to play at his desk he wouldn't.

If he wanted to run his PC on a 720p LCD he would also gain the benefits of being able to do everything a PC can do aside from play games. I bet you're not posting these messages from an Xbox 360.

Nope, but for a while I had my PC plugged into my 50" 720p HDTV. Does that mean that my PC "costed" $3,500 when it was plugged into my TV, then "costed" only $1,300 when I removed it from the TV and plugged it into my 20" LCD? Or, in your world, do I count the cost of the TV AND the monitor (since I bought the TV before the 360 hit the market)? That's one expensive PC!

 

[LikeLinus]

Prices change, but they don't change that much. I priced your computer at the source. You said you purchased everything from Overclockers UK. There's NO WAY you spent only 800 pounds on quality components for a complete PC. I don't buy it and you're not willing to provide proof. So we'll call it BS until I'm proven wrong.

There's no problem posting a reciept. Just black out any personal information.

FYI: I didn't even include tax and shipping. 17% tax on that 597 ALONE is 101.65. So again, you're saying you spent now 100 pounds on a

Hard Drive
Motherboard
Keyboard
Mouse
CD/DVD Drive
Speakers
Soundcard
Scythe Ninja Plus
Zalman VF900-CU VGA Cooler
Case
PSU

????

right buddy.....right.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: DonVito
The only way they change, at least in the last few years, is that they go down. CPU and RAM prices do fluctuate somewhat, but neither has had meaningful increases at any time since the parts you used hit the market. They certainly haven't increased by 25% since you bought your system. It is indeed hard to see how your PC could have "costed" 600 pounds.

Wrong, they most certainly have. You can email Andy Gibson at OcUK to ask how his store operates purely on supply and demand to get their customers the best deals, you might also check out their This Week Only section which often has huge price reductions.

My entire rig costed me £800, get over it.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Nope, but for a while I had my PC plugged into my 50" 720p HDTV. Does that mean that my PC "costed" $3,500 when it was plugged into my TV, then "costed" only $1,300 when I plugged it into my 20" LCD?

I don't even understand what point you're trying to make here.

My PC = £600.

My PC + my monitor and speakers = £800.

My friend's X360 = ~£200

My friend's X360 + HD LCD = ~£800.

My PC + my friend's HD LCD = ~£1200

So for 1/3rd more (not 3x more) he could play exactly the way I do (albiet in 720p instead of 900p) and do everything a PC does aside from gaming all on his LG HD LCD. That's worth it IMO considering the X360 can't even do AF.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: DonVito
The only way they change, at least in the last few years, is that they go down. CPU and RAM prices do fluctuate somewhat, but neither has had meaningful increases at any time since the parts you used hit the market. They certainly haven't increased by 25% since you bought your system. It is indeed hard to see how your PC could have "costed" 600 pounds.

Wrong, they most certainly have. You can email Andy Gibson at OcUK to ask how his store operates purely on supply and demand to get their customers the best deals, you might also check out their This Week Only section which often has huge price reductions.

My entire rig costed me £800, get over it.

At this point I think LikeLinus has proven you a liar. Even if you can't scan your receipt, you should be able to take a screenshot of your order invoice. Don't forget the cost of an OS, another 80 pounds or so.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Prices change, but they don't change that much. I priced your computer at the source. You said you purchased everything from Overclockers UK. There's NO WAY you spent only 800 pounds on quality components for a complete PC. I don't buy it and you're not willing to provide proof. So we'll call it BS until I'm proven wrong.

There's no problem posting a reciept. Just black out any personal information.

FYI: I didn't even include tax and shipping. 17% tax on that 597 ALONE is 101.65. So again, you're saying you spent now 100 pounds on a

Hard Drive
Motherboard
Keyboard
Mouse
CD/DVD Drive
Speakers
Soundcard
Scythe Ninja Plus
Zalman VF900-CU VGA Cooler
Case
PSU

????

right buddy.....right.

yea i forgot shipping and software costs in my calculations too think he's a pirating bastard though

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: DonVito
Nope, but for a while I had my PC plugged into my 50" 720p HDTV. Does that mean that my PC "costed" $3,500 when it was plugged into my TV, then "costed" only $1,300 when I plugged it into my 20" LCD?

I don't even understand what point you're trying to make here.

My PC = £600.

My PC + my monitor and speakers = £800.

My friend's X360 = ~£200

My friend's X360 + HD LCD = ~£800.

My PC + my friend's HD LCD = ~£1200

So for 1/3rd more (not 3x more) he could play exactly the way I do (albiet in 720p instead of 900p) and do everything a PC does aside from gaming all on his LG HD LCD. That's worth it IMO considering the X360 can't even do AF.

I'll say this one more time, since you're either obfuscating or operating at a VERY low level (I guess that might explain "costed"). Your PC (whose price you appear to be lowballing) cost three times the price of your friend's 360. No dispute there, right?

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: DonVito
The only way they change, at least in the last few years, is that they go down. CPU and RAM prices do fluctuate somewhat, but neither has had meaningful increases at any time since the parts you used hit the market. They certainly haven't increased by 25% since you bought your system. It is indeed hard to see how your PC could have "costed" 600 pounds.

Wrong, they most certainly have. You can email Andy Gibson at OcUK to ask how his store operates purely on supply and demand to get their customers the best deals, you might also check out their This Week Only section which often has huge price reductions.

My entire rig costed me £800, get over it.

We don't believe you. Get over it. We know prices fluxuate, but you're talking about them jumping or dropping over 50% for most of the products on that list.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1931248&enterthread=y

Oddly enough you are talking here about purchasing a new PSU because you're using an older one. So it appears that you are using components from a previous build (i.e. you did NOT build a complete computer brand new for 800 pounds)

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: DonVito
At this point I think LikeLinus has proven you a liar.

LOL, email Andy Gibson if you care so much. For Christ's sake. :roll:

You might be bitter that I got my PC for a great price, but there's no need to call me a liar for it.

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
think he's a pirating bastard though

And accusations fly when your argument hasn't got a leg to stand on.

Originally posted by: DonVito
I'll say this one more time, since you're either obfuscating or operating at a VERY low level (I guess that might explain "costed"). Your PC (whose price you appear to be lowballing) cost three times the price of your friend's 360. No dispute there, right?

What did I just write? My PC = £600, my friend's X360 = ~£200.

Do you expect neither of us to use any sort of display though?

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
So it appears that you are using components from a previous build (i.e. you did NOT build a complete computer brand new for 800 pounds)

Wrong. The cost of my Akasa 460W is included in the £800.

Like I said, get over it.

It's incredible how fanatic you guys get when your console is "dissed." :laugh:

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

It's incredible how fanatic you guys get when your console is "dissed." :laugh:

It's not about the console. Hell, there are people dissing the xBox 360 on here all the time. I don't respond to them because it's just jealousy.

The problem is you are out right full of it that you built that computer with a DS3 motherboard, Conroe chip, 1900XT and so on for only 800. You have no proof. Period. Say what you want, but I think most of us don't believe you. Components appear to be more expensive in Europe and your tax/shipping is high. I just don't buy it.

If you showed me different, I would apologize and admit I was wrong. I just don't see that happening though. You purchased the parts of a period of months. You don't have a single receipt. Not only that, that would also mean you spent more on shipping over time than a single order.

Then there is the OS that DonVito mentioned. He's exactly right. WinXP isn't a cheap piece of software. Thanks Don...too much to remember in a PC build

 

[0roo0roo]

And accusations fly when your argument hasn't got a leg to stand on.

no, the undeniable cost of the os alone is just the final nail in the coffin. i checked, its the equivalent of about $100 where you supposedly bought your stuff. 1/4 of the price of the xbox right there. never mind if you bother with internet security/antivirus.

 

[JDrake]

"Also, it's bigger than my PS2 and gamecube combined"

wow, your review isn't going to be biased

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I just don't buy it.

Well that's just hard cheese, isn't it. I said I paid £800 for my rig, wether you believe me or not isn't my problem.

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
You purchased the parts of a period of months. You don't have a single receipt. Not only that, that would also mean you spent more on shipping over time than a single order.

I had to purchase over a period of months because I had a couple of things on RMA and wanted to wait for price drops (hint) on other things, just intelligent buying. I also didn't pay shipping because I live close enough to Stoke-On-Trent to pick up.

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Then there is the OS that DonVito mentioned. He's exactly right. WinXP isn't a cheap piece of software. Thanks Don...too much to remember in a PC build

I've had my OS for about five years, which is why I didn't include it in the price. I could just as easily be running Linux or Vista RC1, I would like to point out, as both can play Oblivion.

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
no, the undeniable cost of the os alone is just the final nail in the coffin. i checked, its the equivalent of about $100 where you supposedly bought your stuff. 1/4 of the price of the xbox right there. never mind if you bother with internet security/antivirus.

See above. I bought my OS about five years ago, and could just as easily run Linux or Vista RC1.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Okay, I admit it. I couldn't resist. I built a system at Overclockers UK using your specs. Here it is. They are out of stock on the Scythe Ninja, which would have added another 35 pounds, putting it over the 1,200 pound mark. Shipping adds another 25 pounds.

I imagine yours would have cost a bit more, since you presumably used 2 x 512MB sticks of RAM - I did it this way to get the benefit of a bundle price on the CPU/mobo/RAM.

There is no way in hell you built your system for 800 pounds.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I just don't buy it.

Well that's just hard cheese, isn't it. I said I paid £800 for my rig, wether you believe me or not isn't my problem.

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
You purchased the parts of a period of months. You don't have a single receipt. Not only that, that would also mean you spent more on shipping over time than a single order.

I had to purchase over a period of months because I had a couple of things on RMA and wanted to wait for price drops (hint) on other things, just intelligent buying. I also didn't pay shipping because I live close enough to Stoke-On-Trent to pick up.

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Then there is the OS that DonVito mentioned. He's exactly right. WinXP isn't a cheap piece of software. Thanks Don...too much to remember in a PC build

I've had my OS for about five years, which is why I didn't include it in the price. I could just as easily be running Linux or Vista RC1, I would like to point out, as both can play Oblivion.

Why do you keep talking about Oblivion? Are you like one of those Evercrack kids? There are thousands of more games out there than Oblivion. Should I start talking about Madden 07? Where can Linux play that game? Or 80% of the other games out there on the market? Linux isn't a viable gaming platform.

We're not dumb. I believe you spent 800 pounds on your main components (i.e video, cpu, motherboard, monitor and ram) But you're an idiot if don't think we know you're using parts from a previous build. You didn't spend it for a complete PC. Atleast you admitted you didn't get a OS. That right there proves the point.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Okay, I admit it. I couldn't resist. I built a system at Overclockers UK using your specs. Here it is. They are out of stock on the Scythe Ninja, which would have added another 35 pounds, putting it over the 1,200 pound mark. Shipping adds another 25 pounds.

I imagine yours would have cost a bit more, since you presumably used 2 x 512MB sticks of RAM - I did it this way to get the benefit of a bundle price on the CPU/mobo/RAM.

There is no way in hell you built your system for 800 pounds.

He has 2GB of ram, not 1GB.

He also has a 512MB Connect3D card, not 256MB.

I'm not sure about the rest, he doesn't have it posted

 

[nycxandy]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
I just don't buy it.

Well that's just hard cheese, isn't it. I said I paid £800 for my rig, wether you believe me or not isn't my problem.

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
You purchased the parts of a period of months. You don't have a single receipt. Not only that, that would also mean you spent more on shipping over time than a single order.

I had to purchase over a period of months because I had a couple of things on RMA and wanted to wait for price drops (hint) on other things, just intelligent buying. I also didn't pay shipping because I live close enough to Stoke-On-Trent to pick up.

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Then there is the OS that DonVito mentioned. He's exactly right. WinXP isn't a cheap piece of software. Thanks Don...too much to remember in a PC build

I've had my OS for about five years, which is why I didn't include it in the price. I could just as easily be running Linux or Vista RC1, I would like to point out, as both can play Oblivion.

Why do you keep talking about Oblivion? Are you like one of those Evercrack kids? There are thousands of more games out there than Oblivion. Should I start talking about Madden 07? Where can Linux play that game? Or 80% of the other games out there on the market? Linux isn't a viable gaming platform.

We're not dumb. I believe you spent 800 pounds on your main components (i.e video, cpu, motherboard, monitor and ram) But you're an idiot if don't think we know you're using parts from a previous build. You didn't spend it for a complete PC. Atleast you admitted you didn't get a OS. That right there proves the point.

LOL. He's getting owned left and right. I still remember him coming into the Official Xbox 360 thread and just taking a dump on it without any valid justification. He kept on ranting about costs like he is trying to now. Nice to see you guys are hammering him.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
op is a dumbass. try playing any pc game outputed to a "plain ol tv over composite input" and it'll look like total garbage. you could have quad sli and it would still look like garbage

Your point? PC video cards are designed for use with VGA and DVI displays, NOT composite displays. The xbox360 is clearly designed for composite because that's what you get out of the box - a composite output cable and fvckall else.

 

[TrueBlueLS]

360 on HDTV + couch > PC

 

[fstime]

The Xbox and Xbox 360 are terrible products imo.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

He has 2GB of ram, not 1GB.

He also has a 512MB Connect3D card, not 256MB.

I'm not sure about the rest, he doesn't have it posted

I added on another 1GB of RAM. Good catch on the video card, though. That would be another 50 pounds with VAT, pushing us over the 1,260 barrier. Here is a revised invoice. Again, this is without the Scythe cooler, which would push us over 1,300.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
op is a dumbass. try playing any pc game outputed to a "plain ol tv over composite input" and it'll look like total garbage. you could have quad sli and it would still look like garbage

Your point? PC video cards are designed for use with VGA and DVI displays, NOT composite displays. The xbox360 is clearly designed for composite because that's what you get out of the box - a composite output cable and fvckall else.

The 360 Premium (that SKU constitutes something like 80% of all sales) comes with component cables.