So, I just played xbox360

[Art Vandelay]

This thread is lame and the OP is a sore loser cause he can't afford one himself, so he goes and leeches on his friends' systems with crappy games. Go cry in the dark. Us 360 owners don't a give a damn about what Sony or Sega fanbois think.

:thumbup;

 

[buck]

To each their own, maybe the OP should spend his spare time mowing lawns instead of playing video games.

 

[0roo0roo]

pricing from his favorite website
Intel Core duo2 E6300 £126.89 $240
scythe ninja plus £35.24 $66.75
2048MB GeIL DDR2-800 £176.24 $333.83
Connect3D Radeon X1900XT 512MB £223 $422
Zalman VF900-CU VGA Cooler £24.62 $46.63
windows xp home £62.26 $117.93
Akasa Ultra Quiet 460W £56.39 $106.81
ok the rest i'll assume you bought the cheapest cr@p components for these
optical read only £14.69 $27.82
X-Blade Gaming Midi Tower £34.02 $64.44
MSI 965P NEO £76.36 $144.64
80GB Hitachi £31.67 $59.98
"Cherry" keyboard £14.09 $29.68
Logitech S96 PS/2 Optical Wheel £6.46 $12.23
Total: £881.93 $1,672
excluding shipping.

add what other things he included in his "price".
Hyundai ImageQuest N91W 19" £164.49 $311.57
Logitech X-530 £44.99 $85.22(amazon.uk)
new totals : £1091.41 $2068.79

if you just want to add the price of his friends hdtv instead of the 19" assuming premium xbox.
$1100 HDTV or equivalent priced pc monitor + his pc
total: £1462.65 $2,772

 

[tfinch2]

We get it EyeMWing, you're poor. You can't even afford to toilet paper to wipe your own ass. You don't have to ingrain it into us in every single thread.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Intel Core duo2 E6300 $180.00
oops i forgot the o/s. and no, i really don't think you are playing games on linux add another $99 just for xp home.

XP Home doesn't support multi-core, so make that $140 for XP Pro (I'd put in $110 for MCE, but most people seem to hate MCE for some reason).

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Your point? PC video cards are designed for use with VGA and DVI displays, NOT composite displays. The xbox360 is clearly designed for composite because that's what you get out of the box - a composite output cable and fvckall else.

Mine came with component cables.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

pricing from his favorite website
Intel Core duo2 E6300 £126.89 $240
scythe ninja plus £35.24 $66.75
2048MB GeIL DDR2-800 £176.24 $333.83
Connect3D Radeon X1900XT 512MB £223 $422
Zalman VF900-CU VGA Cooler £24.62 $46.63
windows xp home £62.26 $117.93
Akasa Ultra Quiet 460W £56.39 $106.81
ok the rest i'll assume you bought the cheapest cr@p components for these
optical read only £14.69 $27.82
X-Blade Gaming Midi Tower £34.02 $64.44
MSI 965P NEO £76.36 $144.64
80GB Hitachi £31.67 $59.98
"Cherry" keyboard £14.09 $29.68
Logitech S96 PS/2 Optical Wheel £6.46 $12.23
Total: £881.93 $1,672
excluding shipping.

Well we know the motherboard is a DS3.

So basically he spent £81 less than you and got a free 19" Monitor. I believe there's a new Hot Deals master in town.

EDIT: As mentioned above: XP Pro for 2 cores.

The price and tax keeps on rising!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

For the love of God, someone call Andy Gibson - he'll straighten the whole thing out!

I actually think there's an argument, which Ulf has elected not to make, that it should be fair game for him to include some old parts in his build without including them in his tally, since we all have PCs, and so these parts effectively cost him nothing in terms of the current generation of his build (as opposed to building a new box from scratch). Still, he has elected to stand by the idea that he built the entire thing for way below market value. Ah well . . .

I still think his entire argument is specious, since an Xbox 360 is undeniably much much cheaper than a gaming PC. If he just doesn't like the 360, or consoles generally, fine, but you just can't make a financial case for PCs being cheaper, or even nearly AS cheap.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
pricing from his favorite website
Intel Core duo2 E6300 £126.89 $240
scythe ninja plus £35.24 $66.75
2048MB GeIL DDR2-800 £176.24 $333.83
Connect3D Radeon X1900XT 512MB £223 $422
Zalman VF900-CU VGA Cooler £24.62 $46.63
windows xp home £62.26 $117.93
Akasa Ultra Quiet 460W £56.39 $106.81
ok the rest i'll assume you bought the cheapest cr@p components for these
optical read only £14.69 $27.82
X-Blade Gaming Midi Tower £34.02 $64.44
MSI 965P NEO £76.36 $144.64
80GB Hitachi £31.67 $59.98
"Cherry" keyboard £14.09 $29.68
Logitech S96 PS/2 Optical Wheel £6.46 $12.23
Total: £881.93 $1,672
excluding shipping.

add what other things he included in his "price".
Hyundai ImageQuest N91W 19" £164.49 $311.57
Logitech X-530 £44.99 $85.22(amazon.uk)
new totals : £1091.41 $2068.79

if you just want to add the price of his friends hdtv instead of the 19" assuming premium xbox.
$1100 HDTV or equivalent priced pc monitor + his pc
total: £1462.65 $2,772

updated with prices + equivalent display

didn't bother updating ds3, its clear enough

as for xp pro, i don't think its necessary, i think ms counts by socket. so home would work, but either way he's still a snot nosed liar. and really, most people would rather spend their display money on the home theater. better to watch films on a large screen and settle for a small display for websurfing/office work than the other way around.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: DonVito
For the love of God, someone call Andy Gibson - he'll straighten the whole thing out!

I actually think there's an argument, which Ulf has elected not to make, that it should be fair game for him to include some old parts in his build without including them in his tally, since we all have PCs, and so these parts effectively cost him nothing in terms of the current generation of his build (as opposed to building a new box from scratch). Still, he has elected to stand by the idea that he built the entire thing for way below market value. Ah well . . .

I still think his entire argument is specious, since an Xbox 360 is undeniably much much cheaper than a gaming PC. If he just doesn't like the 360, or consoles generally, fine, but you just can't make a financial case for PCs being cheaper, or even nearly AS cheap.

PC is cheaper for him because he pirates all his games.

 

[0roo0roo]

yup, major advantage of xbox is game rental. course this is irrelevant for a pirating whore like him.

 

[NFS4]

Would you punks PLEASE stop arguing about the cost of some damn PC. It's irrelevant. The point of this thread is that the OP expect an Xbox 360 game to look great on his outdated TV

 

[cr2250]

I got a 360 launch day, I was impressed with nfs:mw but after playing games like oblivion, It was horrible compared to my pc. Now my pc is better a 360 and I guess I only play it for deadrising and saints row.

 

[UpgradeFailure]

This dude should just buy a 30$ VGA cable then and stop bitchin about tv cost for the time being.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Would you punks PLEASE stop arguing about the cost of some damn PC. It's irrelevant. The point of this thread is that the OP expect an Xbox 360 game to look great on his outdated TV

Well, PC fanboys gotta have something to bitch about, if it ain't drivers or incompatible hardware, it's new consoles looking crappy on old-ass TVs

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
We get it EyeMWing, you're poor. You can't even afford to toilet paper to wipe your own ass. You don't have to ingrain it into us in every single thread.

So... You're poor if you can't afford a $2000 TV and $700 overall for a game console.

Fascinating. It's a wonder I can afford my rent and utilities and food and have some money left over to do things. There have been times I couldn't afford toilet paper, partially due to my own poor planning and partially due to ****** luck. This isn't one of them.

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
op is a dumbass. try playing any pc game outputed to a "plain ol tv over composite input" and it'll look like total garbage. you could have quad sli and it would still look like garbage

Your point? PC video cards are designed for use with VGA and DVI displays, NOT composite displays. The xbox360 is clearly designed for composite because that's what you get out of the box - a composite output cable and fvckall else.

The 360 Premium (that SKU constitutes something like 80% of all sales) comes with component cables.

My error, I didn't exactly have the box, and I assumed that the only cable I was given was the only one it came with, as it has been for most of eternity. But this composite cable is DEFINITELY Microsoft-branded, thus making it an officially supported output and thus meaning game developers should keep it in mind.

Originally posted by: Art Vandelay
This thread is lame and the OP is a sore loser cause he can't afford one himself, so he goes and leeches on his friends' systems with crappy games. Go cry in the dark. Us 360 owners don't a give a damn about what Sony or Sega fanbois think.

:thumbup;

I don't care that I can't afford one, and even if I could, I wouldn't buy one for one reason.

There are ~2 exclusive xbox360 titles worth playing (Dead Rising, Saint's Row)
Assuming you can manage to play both for 24 hours over the course of a month, and repeat for 3 months.... That's 144 hours. And that's a LOT of play time for two games.

It's $3000+ for NFS4's "How it was intended" setup. 1080p + x360 + 5.1 audio. That's $20.83 per hour of play. Video games aren't worth that to me.

Even at my current setup, adding an xbox and the games would cost like $600 minimum.
That's $4.17/hour. Video games still aren't worth that to me.

Even a $99 gamecube isn't worth it to me for all it's available games at maybe 68 cents an hour - the only reason I have any consoles at all is because I didn't have to pay for them or any of the titles associated with them.



And all you idiots arguing about the price of a PC, STFU plzkthx. That has nothing to do with anything except your own e-peens.

 

[Raduque]

So if games aren't worth the money for you, why'd you even bother to (borrow/steal/rent/win) an xbox360? Or any console, for that matter?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: tfinch2
We get it EyeMWing, you're poor. You can't even afford to toilet paper to wipe your own ass. You don't have to ingrain it into us in every single thread.

So... You're poor if you can't afford a $2000 TV and $700 overall for a game console.

Fascinating. It's a wonder I can afford my rent and utilities and food and have some money left over to do things. There have been times I couldn't afford toilet paper, partially due to my own poor planning and partially due to ****** luck. This isn't one of them.

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
op is a dumbass. try playing any pc game outputed to a "plain ol tv over composite input" and it'll look like total garbage. you could have quad sli and it would still look like garbage

Your point? PC video cards are designed for use with VGA and DVI displays, NOT composite displays. The xbox360 is clearly designed for composite because that's what you get out of the box - a composite output cable and fvckall else.

The 360 Premium (that SKU constitutes something like 80% of all sales) comes with component cables.

My error, I didn't exactly have the box, and I assumed that the only cable I was given was the only one it came with, as it has been for most of eternity. But this composite cable is DEFINITELY Microsoft-branded, thus making it an officially supported output and thus meaning game developers should keep it in mind.

Originally posted by: Art Vandelay
This thread is lame and the OP is a sore loser cause he can't afford one himself, so he goes and leeches on his friends' systems with crappy games. Go cry in the dark. Us 360 owners don't a give a damn about what Sony or Sega fanbois think.

:thumbup;

I don't care that I can't afford one, and even if I could, I wouldn't buy one for one reason.

There are ~2 exclusive xbox360 titles worth playing (Dead Rising, Saint's Row)
Assuming you can manage to play both for 24 hours over the course of a month, and repeat for 3 months.... That's 144 hours. And that's a LOT of play time for two games.

It's $3000+ for NFS4's "How it was intended" setup. 1080p + x360 + 5.1 audio. That's $20.83 per hour of play. Video games aren't worth that to me.

Even at my current setup, adding an xbox and the games would cost like $600 minimum.
That's $4.17/hour. Video games still aren't worth that to me.

Even a $99 gamecube isn't worth it to me for all it's available games at maybe 68 cents an hour - the only reason I have any consoles at all is because I didn't have to pay for them or any of the titles associated with them.



And all you idiots arguing about the price of a PC, STFU plzkthx. That has nothing to do with anything except your own e-peens.

You're calculating cost per hour of playing a game? When you get that involved in calculating the cost of a console per day/hour/etc, you either shouldn't even be considering buying one on your budget or you're just a few cards short of a full deck

Gaming is about having fun, not calculating cost-to-benefit ratios.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: tfinch2
We get it EyeMWing, you're poor. You can't even afford to toilet paper to wipe your own ass. You don't have to ingrain it into us in every single thread.

So... You're poor if you can't afford a $2000 TV and $700 overall for a game console.

Fascinating. It's a wonder I can afford my rent and utilities and food and have some money left over to do things. There have been times I couldn't afford toilet paper, partially due to my own poor planning and partially due to ****** luck. This isn't one of them.

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
op is a dumbass. try playing any pc game outputed to a "plain ol tv over composite input" and it'll look like total garbage. you could have quad sli and it would still look like garbage

Your point? PC video cards are designed for use with VGA and DVI displays, NOT composite displays. The xbox360 is clearly designed for composite because that's what you get out of the box - a composite output cable and fvckall else.

The 360 Premium (that SKU constitutes something like 80% of all sales) comes with component cables.

My error, I didn't exactly have the box, and I assumed that the only cable I was given was the only one it came with, as it has been for most of eternity. But this composite cable is DEFINITELY Microsoft-branded, thus making it an officially supported output and thus meaning game developers should keep it in mind.

Originally posted by: Art Vandelay
This thread is lame and the OP is a sore loser cause he can't afford one himself, so he goes and leeches on his friends' systems with crappy games. Go cry in the dark. Us 360 owners don't a give a damn about what Sony or Sega fanbois think.

:thumbup;

I don't care that I can't afford one, and even if I could, I wouldn't buy one for one reason.

There are ~2 exclusive xbox360 titles worth playing (Dead Rising, Saint's Row)
Assuming you can manage to play both for 24 hours over the course of a month, and repeat for 3 months.... That's 144 hours. And that's a LOT of play time for two games.

It's $3000+ for NFS4's "How it was intended" setup. 1080p + x360 + 5.1 audio. That's $20.83 per hour of play. Video games aren't worth that to me.

Even at my current setup, adding an xbox and the games would cost like $600 minimum.
That's $4.17/hour. Video games still aren't worth that to me.

Even a $99 gamecube isn't worth it to me for all it's available games at maybe 68 cents an hour - the only reason I have any consoles at all is because I didn't have to pay for them or any of the titles associated with them.



And all you idiots arguing about the price of a PC, STFU plzkthx. That has nothing to do with anything except your own e-peens.

You're calculating cost per hour of playing a game? When you get that involved in calculating the cost of a console per day/hour/etc, you either shouldn't even be considering buying one on your budget or you're just a few cards short of a full deck

Gaming is about having fun, not calculating cost-to-benefit ratios.

Exactly. If you have to calculate, you're too poor to afford.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: tfinch2
We get it EyeMWing, you're poor. You can't even afford to toilet paper to wipe your own ass. You don't have to ingrain it into us in every single thread.

So... You're poor if you can't afford a $2000 TV and $700 overall for a game console.

Fascinating. It's a wonder I can afford my rent and utilities and food and have some money left over to do things. There have been times I couldn't afford toilet paper, partially due to my own poor planning and partially due to ****** luck. This isn't one of them.

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
op is a dumbass. try playing any pc game outputed to a "plain ol tv over composite input" and it'll look like total garbage. you could have quad sli and it would still look like garbage

Your point? PC video cards are designed for use with VGA and DVI displays, NOT composite displays. The xbox360 is clearly designed for composite because that's what you get out of the box - a composite output cable and fvckall else.

The 360 Premium (that SKU constitutes something like 80% of all sales) comes with component cables.

My error, I didn't exactly have the box, and I assumed that the only cable I was given was the only one it came with, as it has been for most of eternity. But this composite cable is DEFINITELY Microsoft-branded, thus making it an officially supported output and thus meaning game developers should keep it in mind.

Originally posted by: Art Vandelay
This thread is lame and the OP is a sore loser cause he can't afford one himself, so he goes and leeches on his friends' systems with crappy games. Go cry in the dark. Us 360 owners don't a give a damn about what Sony or Sega fanbois think.

:thumbup;

I don't care that I can't afford one, and even if I could, I wouldn't buy one for one reason.

There are ~2 exclusive xbox360 titles worth playing (Dead Rising, Saint's Row)
Assuming you can manage to play both for 24 hours over the course of a month, and repeat for 3 months.... That's 144 hours. And that's a LOT of play time for two games.

It's $3000+ for NFS4's "How it was intended" setup. 1080p + x360 + 5.1 audio. That's $20.83 per hour of play. Video games aren't worth that to me.

Even at my current setup, adding an xbox and the games would cost like $600 minimum.
That's $4.17/hour. Video games still aren't worth that to me.

Even a $99 gamecube isn't worth it to me for all it's available games at maybe 68 cents an hour - the only reason I have any consoles at all is because I didn't have to pay for them or any of the titles associated with them.



And all you idiots arguing about the price of a PC, STFU plzkthx. That has nothing to do with anything except your own e-peens.

You're calculating cost per hour of playing a game? When you get that involved in calculating the cost of a console per day/hour/etc, you either shouldn't even be considering buying one on your budget or you're just a few cards short of a full deck

Gaming is about having fun, not calculating cost-to-benefit ratios.

Fun is a benefit, and having fun costs money. Cost to benefit ratios are thereby right at home. It's finding a place where the cost-to-benefit ratio of figuring the cost-to-benefit ratios is tolerable. In this case, I'm at work. I'm getting PAID to figure out the cost to benefit ratio for playing Dead Rising.

I'll bet you have no plans to buy a PS3. Why not? Because it's an additional $700 and is only going to do marginally more than your x360 or Wii or whatever. But having one would add more opportunity to have fun.

And if you purchase ANYTHING without first thinking "is it going to be worth what it's going to cost?" it's an impulse buy.

 

[James3shin]

nothing really fun about the 360 at this very moment. Geometry Wars is still the game to beat on the 360.

 

[bucwylde23]

Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS
360 on HDTV + couch > PC

AMEN! Nothing like laying on my huge, comfortable couch playing my 360 with awesome sound.

Sure, the X360 looks much better on a HDTV and you don't get full enjoyment without one. But the games can still be played. I played on a SDTV for almost 6 months with no problems.

Ulfhednar is just an ass that crapped on the Official 360 thread and saw the opportunity to boast about his computer in yet another thread. Sorry bud, but most people here also have VERY nice computers, your rig doesn't impress us.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack
When you can post on ATOT with a console... call me.

However, I am pretty sure Nintendo has sold me on the Wii.

The Wii can actually, it has the option of using Opera as a browser.

I told all you shmucks 6 months ago that the Wii was going to rule this generation of consoles. It clearly looks like its going to do better than the PS3 and eventually will probably rival the 360 in terms of units sold in the US. The Wii is the only system thats trying to do anything really different, everything else is the same old crap with fancier graphics.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

So... You're poor if you can't afford a $2000 TV and $700 overall for a game console.

I'm curious as to where you are getting your information?

I purchased a Philips 30" 1080i HDTV Widescreen for $500 2 1/2 years ago. Sure, I spent $2100 on my 50" Plasma for the home theater, but you do NOT have to spend $2000 on a TV to enjoy it. You are over dramatizing things in an effort to make your argument look good.

Additionally, WTF are you paying $700 for an xBox 360?

Basically, It's $350 for the Premium xBox 360 + $500 for an HDTV. Additionally, the HDTV will replace your aging TV and you can start watching some HD content via OTA, Cable or Sat. The TV has multiple uses and will far outlast any computer you buy today.

So $850 is what you'd spend for the setup. A LOT of us already have HDTV's though. As stated, I didn't buy an $500 TV for the xBox, I already had one!

Basically what it comes down to is...it's not worth it for you. You don't make enough money to enjoy gaming. But to say you are umimpressed by playing one game on some SD crap set does NOT mean the xBox isn't worth the investment. If you have the resources and time, it's freaking awesome.

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Unimpressed++

If it included a Ranch Pizza dipping sauce accessory, a boat, and a few members of the male-mexican persuasion, would it alter your review?

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Comments on controller: Better than the xbox original, better than the xbox S, worse than the Dualshock 2.

Comments on aesthetics: It still looks like an Apple product.

Comments on the graphics (Dead Rising or whatever that Zombie game is, plain 'ol TV, composite input): What in the name of god is everyone so excited about!?!? It looks JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER 3d game in the past few years. Sure, there's more ****** on the screen. Whoopty friggin' do. Even on an HDTV running at 1080p, it's only JUST BARELY drawing more pixels than my PC's video card was drawing in 1998. Thereby, the precision on the vector math can be turned waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down. Also, on a normal TV, the fvcking text is unreadable.

Let's point out what's wrong with this here "review."

1. Better than the DualShock 2 MY ASS. I find NES controllers more comfortable than the DualSh!ts, and those things were rectangles.

2. Boohoo, its white and rounded. Now its suddenly an Apple product?

3. Sure, its JUST BARELY drawing more pixels than your PC's video card in 1998, but in 1998 your PC was probably drawing something like Quake II. You want to tell me XBOX 360 games only look marginally better than Quake II?