So, I just played xbox360

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

So... You're poor if you can't afford a $2000 TV and $700 overall for a game console.

I'm curious as to where you are getting your information?

I purchased a Philips 30" 1080i HDTV Widescreen for $500 2 1/2 years ago. Sure, I spent $2100 on my 50" Plasma for the home theater, but you do NOT have to spend $2000 on a TV to enjoy it. You are over dramatizing things in an effort to make your argument look good.

Additionally, WTF are you paying $700 for an xBox 360?

Basically, It's $350 for the Premium xBox 360 + $500 for an HDTV. Additionally, the HDTV will replace your aging TV and you can start watching some HD content via OTA, Cable or Sat. The TV has multiple uses and will far outlast any computer you buy today.

So $850 is what you'd spend for the setup. A LOT of us already have HDTV's though. As stated, I didn't buy an $500 TV for the xBox, I already had one!

Basically what it comes down to is...it's not worth it for you. You don't make enough money to enjoy gaming. But to say you are umimpressed by playing one game on some SD crap set does NOT mean the xBox isn't worth the investment. If you have the resources and time, it's freaking awesome.

Accessories. $753.17 for: Xbox 360 Premium, full set of controllers, full set of charge cables, wireless network adapter, memory cards, non-Component A/V cable at Amazon. Add the two games in question and it becomes $870. $870 without a television. I *UNDER-ESTIMATED* the total cost by nearly $200.

The point in using a $2000 TV is to counter NFS4's "1080p is the way it should be" argument. You need to spend $2000 to get 1080p.

The HDTV would provide no value-add for television in my case, either, because the only show I watch on TV is Mythbusters (on the rare occasion that I'm home when it airs), and the only shows the girlfriend watches are on Adult Swim. We do not subscribe to any form of digital television service. Thereby, all our programming would be in stunning NTSC broadcast resolution which actually looks WORSE on HD sets in my experience.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: NFS4
**SIGH**

I don't know what else to say. My head hurts.

Other than "go buy an HDTV" or "go play it on an HDTV", I'm not sure what you've said to start with.

The console supports SDTV, the game doesn't, and doesn't tell you such - potentially alienating a large portion of the purchasers of the game (statistically, 80-some% - that's the likelihood you don't have an HDTV if you're an American citizen)

You can't play FEAR in 1600x1200 on a 10 year old 15" VGA monitor either. So much for your "real" game platform.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: ActuaryTm

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Unimpressed++

If it included a Ranch Pizza dipping sauce accessory, a boat, and a few members of the male-mexican persuasion, would it alter your review?

Reading this post for the 5th time, I finally figured out what the hell you were on about.

Bonus points for making the obligatory EyeMWing references in a clandestine manner.

 

[BornStar]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Accessories. $753.17 for: Xbox 360 Premium, full set of controllers, full set of charge cables, wireless network adapter, memory cards, non-Component A/V cable at Amazon. Add the two games in question and it becomes $870. $870 without a television. I *UNDER-ESTIMATED* the total cost by nearly $200.

That's just plain ridiculous. You don't need a full set of charge cables. I have two charge cables and four controllers and I haven't used one of my charge cables once. You don't need memory cards since there's a 20GB portable hard drive. The non component cable is pointless as the component cable comes with composite on it.

I personally play on a 32in SDTV using the component cables. The picture is fantastic - far better than my Xbox - and the Live! system is incredible now. I'm very happy with my 360 purchase.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: NFS4
**SIGH**

I don't know what else to say. My head hurts.

Other than "go buy an HDTV" or "go play it on an HDTV", I'm not sure what you've said to start with.

The console supports SDTV, the game doesn't, and doesn't tell you such - potentially alienating a large portion of the purchasers of the game (statistically, 80-some% - that's the likelihood you don't have an HDTV if you're an American citizen)

You can't play FEAR in 1600x1200 on a 10 year old 15" VGA monitor either. So much for your "real" game platform.

The game developers tell you ON THE BOX what sort of hardware it's not going to work properly on. Nowhere on the packaging for Dead Rising do I see "HDTV REQUIRED." I'm not trying to run an unsupported resolution on my TV and complaining about it, I'm complaining that I was never told that the game would have major gameplay defects - I'm not complaining about how un-pretty it is, I'm complaining that I can't read any of the god damned TEXT which facilitates the entire experience of the game - if an HDTV is not used.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: BornStar18

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Accessories. $753.17 for: Xbox 360 Premium, full set of controllers, full set of charge cables, wireless network adapter, memory cards, non-Component A/V cable at Amazon. Add the two games in question and it becomes $870. $870 without a television. I *UNDER-ESTIMATED* the total cost by nearly $200.

That's just plain ridiculous. You don't need a full set of charge cables. I have two charge cables and four controllers and I haven't used one of my charge cables once. You don't need memory cards since there's a 20GB portable hard drive. The non component cable is pointless as the component cable comes with composite on it.

I personally play on a 32in SDTV using the component cables. The picture is fantastic - far better than my Xbox - and the Live! system is incredible now. I'm very happy with my 360 purchase.

So drop the charge cables and drop the memory cards (I was unaware of the actual logistics of the system, seeing as I neither own one, nor know anyone well that owns one - much like a parent buying the console for their child) - guess what, it costs $700 now. Exactly what I said it cost in the first place.

 

[duragezic]

LOL, worst rant ever. Hardly any of the points made any sense at all.

"You must be too young to know.." LOL yeah you are so old school. I think you are like +/- 1 or 2 years of my age. The first console I played was a NES and I was very young at the time. I guess kids these days play them ever younger, but I don't get how the hell you can act like you were around playing that Atari when it came out. Yeah I can read about classic consoles on Wikipedia or pick up retro ones one Ebay. But it's not like I was around playing them, and saying "Man this is awesome" because there was nothing else out to compare to it at the time.

The whole 1920x1080/1920x1200 in 1998 thing is just stupid. As NFS4 pointed out, no 3d game had any chance of running at that resolution. Software and API issue? How about the damn video cards weren't anywhere near powerful enough to draw that many pixels at 30FPS+? Yeah, I got old video cards still that support those resolutions as well as old CRTs supporting high resolutions. Outside of your desktop resolution, you couldn't get anywhere near 1920x1080 on games of the time period until the past few years. I had to play HL1 with my Voodoo Banshee at like 512x384 with tweaked out details and a smaller view. When I got my Radeon 64 I could maybe jump to 1024x768 with more graphics turned on or a tad higher, but never could I get near 1080p. Even now I only can if the game is a couple of years old and not that demanding (I'd reckon UT2004 would run fine at 1080p if I had the monitor to do it).

But I don't know why I'm even typing this, waste of time... you really lack logical reasoning. Yeah, if you buy a 360, you HAVE to buy a full set of wireless controllers with charge packs, wireless network adapter, memory cards, etc. And why do you think they bundle and support old formats likes composite or s-video? Because the majority of the market buying them have no idea about the new HD standards.. They are used to plugging in their POS PS2s and whatnot with the standard composite or s-video connections. Sure that doesn't take full advantage and ends up looking like crap, but to most people they just don't think of that since they don't have PCs or HD sets to compare to.

 

[BornStar]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: BornStar18

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Accessories. $753.17 for: Xbox 360 Premium, full set of controllers, full set of charge cables, wireless network adapter, memory cards, non-Component A/V cable at Amazon. Add the two games in question and it becomes $870. $870 without a television. I *UNDER-ESTIMATED* the total cost by nearly $200.

That's just plain ridiculous. You don't need a full set of charge cables. I have two charge cables and four controllers and I haven't used one of my charge cables once. You don't need memory cards since there's a 20GB portable hard drive. The non component cable is pointless as the component cable comes with composite on it.

I personally play on a 32in SDTV using the component cables. The picture is fantastic - far better than my Xbox - and the Live! system is incredible now. I'm very happy with my 360 purchase.

So drop the charge cables and drop the memory cards (I was unaware of the actual logistics of the system, seeing as I neither own one, nor know anyone well that owns one - much like a parent buying the console for their child) - guess what, it costs $700 now. Exactly what I said it cost in the first place.

I neglected to comment on the wireless adapter which is not anywhere close to a required purchase. Even if you need a wireless adapter you don't have to buy the Microsoft one. The 360 doesn't have to be expensive. You just need to be intelligent about how you purchase it. Why you're including two games in this is beyond me as well.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BornStar18

I neglected to comment on the wireless adapter which is not anywhere close to a required purchase. Even if you need a wireless adapter you don't have to buy the Microsoft one. The 360 doesn't have to be expensive. You just need to be intelligent about how you purchase it. Why you're including two games in this is beyond me as well.

Don't forget that most users will never use the "full set of controllers." The typical 360 Premium owner will buy one additional wireless controller (in my case, I bought a wired one so I could also use it on my PC - it's the best PC gamepad ever made IMO), and none of that other crap. Total cost = $400, not $800+.

 

[secretanchitman]

as long as the gameplay is good? who the hell cares?

like the wii. its about games/gameplay, not the graphics.

 

[Trikat]

That was one of the worst reviews I have ever read...
Please don't review anything else...

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: duragezic
And why do you think they bundle and support old formats likes composite or s-video? Because the majority of the market buying them have no idea about the new HD standards.. They are used to plugging in their POS PS2s and whatnot with the standard composite or s-video connections. Sure that doesn't take full advantage and ends up looking like crap, but to most people they just don't think of that since they don't have PCs or HD sets to compare to.

Thank you for proving my point. For this very reason, the Dead Rising developers should have made the damned text a little bit bigger.

In the end, this is what this whole fvcking thread comes down to - people thinking that I'm accosting their precious xbox 360 because some third party game developer made a dumbassed move and made the text too small to be readable to the majority of the market.

I'm not critiscizing the xbox 360, I don't have enough data to do that - though I do have enough data to tell you "I can't afford it" and "Dead Rising's developers were useless" and "I can't afford to play Dead Rising the way they designed it to be played."

 

[BornStar]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: duragezic
And why do you think they bundle and support old formats likes composite or s-video? Because the majority of the market buying them have no idea about the new HD standards.. They are used to plugging in their POS PS2s and whatnot with the standard composite or s-video connections. Sure that doesn't take full advantage and ends up looking like crap, but to most people they just don't think of that since they don't have PCs or HD sets to compare to.

Thank you for proving my point. For this very reason, the Dead Rising developers should have made the damned text a little bit bigger.

In the end, this is what this whole fvcking thread comes down to - people thinking that I'm accosting their precious xbox 360 because some third party game developer made a dumbassed move and made the text too small to be readable to the majority of the market.

I'm not critiscizing the xbox 360, I don't have enough data to do that - though I do have enough data to tell you "I can't afford it" and "Dead Rising's developers were useless" and "I can't afford to play Dead Rising the way they designed it to be played."

You are criticizing the 360. Read your title. Had your title read "So, I just played Dead Rising" you would have gotten a different response.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
as long as the gameplay is good? who the hell cares?

like the wii. its about games/gameplay, not the graphics.

That's the god damned point. The graphical flaws introduced by using an older display caused entirely avoidable issues (USE A FONT ONE STEP LARGER!) that damaged gameplay noticeably.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: BornStar18

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: duragezic
And why do you think they bundle and support old formats likes composite or s-video? Because the majority of the market buying them have no idea about the new HD standards.. They are used to plugging in their POS PS2s and whatnot with the standard composite or s-video connections. Sure that doesn't take full advantage and ends up looking like crap, but to most people they just don't think of that since they don't have PCs or HD sets to compare to.

Thank you for proving my point. For this very reason, the Dead Rising developers should have made the damned text a little bit bigger.

In the end, this is what this whole fvcking thread comes down to - people thinking that I'm accosting their precious xbox 360 because some third party game developer made a dumbassed move and made the text too small to be readable to the majority of the market.

I'm not critiscizing the xbox 360, I don't have enough data to do that - though I do have enough data to tell you "I can't afford it" and "Dead Rising's developers were useless" and "I can't afford to play Dead Rising the way they designed it to be played."

You are criticizing the 360. Read your title. Had your title read "So, I just played Dead Rising" you would have gotten a different response.

I doubt it. And indeed, the title is correct. I did "Just play an xbox360". And in the post, I did in fact point out the exact circumstances that led me to the conclusions that I reached - the fanbois just refuse to seperate the hardware-relevant and software-relevant commentary for themselves.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

I'm not critiscizing the xbox 360, I don't have enough data to do that - though I do have enough data to tell you "I can't afford it" and "Dead Rising's developers were useless" and "I can't afford to play Dead Rising the way they designed it to be played."

So, you don't consider this "criticizing the xbox 360":

Overall: 5/10 (Where PS2 is 5/10)


Comments on PSU: I've only ever seen one other hardware device that required a keyed power cable like that. It was a server drawing more than 10A. More likely this was a case where they just did that to prevent people from using normal cables when they inevitably roll over the one with a chair, but whatever. Also, it's bigger than my PS2 and gamecube combined. And that's just the power adapter.

Comments on controller: Better than the xbox original, better than the xbox S, worse than the Dualshock 2.

Comments on aesthetics: It still looks like an Apple product.

Are you talking about Dead Rising's PSU, controller, and aesthetics? Are you giving Dead Rising a total rating as compared to a PS2?

 

[Alex]

i love my original xbox and it looks great on my normal tv... if i had the money i'd definitely buy a 360 cause even if its only slightly better than xbox 1 it'll be worth it!
that said i like ps2 as well but gamecube sucks.
i'm not a hater and i like video games! :beer:

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

I'm not critiscizing the xbox 360, I don't have enough data to do that - though I do have enough data to tell you "I can't afford it" and "Dead Rising's developers were useless" and "I can't afford to play Dead Rising the way they designed it to be played."

So, you don't consider this "criticizing the xbox 360":

Overall: 5/10 (Where PS2 is 5/10)


Comments on PSU: I've only ever seen one other hardware device that required a keyed power cable like that. It was a server drawing more than 10A. More likely this was a case where they just did that to prevent people from using normal cables when they inevitably roll over the one with a chair, but whatever. Also, it's bigger than my PS2 and gamecube combined. And that's just the power adapter.

Comments on controller: Better than the xbox original, better than the xbox S, worse than the Dualshock 2.

Comments on aesthetics: It still looks like an Apple product.

Are you talking about Dead Rising's PSU, controller, and aesthetics? Are you giving Dead Rising a total rating as compared to a PS2?

I commented both upon the hardware and software. If you're too dense to pick them apart, go read some other thread.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

I'm not critiscizing the xbox 360, I don't have enough data to do that - though I do have enough data to tell you "I can't afford it" and "Dead Rising's developers were useless" and "I can't afford to play Dead Rising the way they designed it to be played."

So, you don't consider this "criticizing the xbox 360":

Overall: 5/10 (Where PS2 is 5/10)


Comments on PSU: I've only ever seen one other hardware device that required a keyed power cable like that. It was a server drawing more than 10A. More likely this was a case where they just did that to prevent people from using normal cables when they inevitably roll over the one with a chair, but whatever. Also, it's bigger than my PS2 and gamecube combined. And that's just the power adapter.

Comments on controller: Better than the xbox original, better than the xbox S, worse than the Dualshock 2.

Comments on aesthetics: It still looks like an Apple product.

Are you talking about Dead Rising's PSU, controller, and aesthetics? Are you giving Dead Rising a total rating as compared to a PS2?

I commented both upon the hardware and software. If you're too dense to pick them apart, go read some other thread.

You're the one who said "I'm not critiscizing [sic] the xbox 360." Would you agree that was an incorrect statement? It seems to me you clearly did criticize it.

I think it's funny you'd resort to personal insults under the circumstances - you're the one who started one of the dumbest threads in weeks.

 

[jpeyton]

Aren't you the same guy who said you couldn't tell the difference between regular TV and HDTV?

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Accessories. $753.17 for: Xbox 360 Premium, full set of controllers, full set of charge cables, wireless network adapter, memory cards, non-Component A/V cable at Amazon. Add the two games in question and it becomes $870. $870 without a television. I *UNDER-ESTIMATED* the total cost by nearly $200.

Dude, you're an idiot. I think most of the people have pointed that out and we don't need to discuss any further.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
it's bigger than my PS2 and gamecube combined. And that's just the power adapter.

The power adapter is bigger than a PS2 and GC combined? :roll:

Better than the xbox original, better than the xbox S, worse than the Dualshock 2.

Dual Shock 2 sucks...no analog triggers makes racing games suck.

It still looks like an Apple product.

That's a good thing.

Even on an HDTV running at 1080p, it's only JUST BARELY drawing more pixels than my PC's video card was drawing in 1998.

Please enlighten us to what 1998-era video card you had that would run games at 1920x1080 in a playable fashion.

Comments on the game (That damned Zombie game): Unreadable text, somewhat fun, I'd play it through if they stuck it on a REAL gaming platform (PC) and not the bullshit kid's stuff.

Played one game and now you're an authority on the console? :laugh: Get help.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
I've played the Xbox 360 versions of Oblivion, Burnout, Perfect Dark, and Dead Rising both on standard TV and 720p HD-LCD and like you I was completely and utterly unimpressed. Ignore the fanboys.

I see no reason to get rid of my original Xbox for one of these either, as I only use it when friends are over anyway. If I do feel the need to replace it, it'll be when prices drop, and even then it'll be a Wii because I can't justify spending so much money on something that makes games look so crap.

I have a PC to suit my personal gaming needs. PC > Console.

Call me when the Xbox 360 actually renders anisotropic filtering, every game I played looked like sheer and utter crap.

You just basically admitted to being a PC fanboy and also said to ignore the fanboys. Speak out of just one side of your mouth please.

 

[dexvx]

1) Xbox360 doesn't support 1080p natively as of now. Having 1080p is kind of a waste. 720p is more than enough. Hell, even 480p EDTV will give you a very nice image quality.

2) Check on froogle. LCDTV's under 23" that can do 720p can be had for less than $400. A 360 Premium is around the $350 mark. So the cost to entry is less than $800 total for an HDTV package. Not that bad. Nowadays, even 32" LCDTV's @ 720p are less than $800 easily.

 

[Fingolfin269]

How can you criticize the 360 because of certain problems you have with an individual game? Does that mean that every time I can't get a game to work on my PC, or a game sucks on the PC, I need to declare that PCs suck?