So, I just played xbox360

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
it's bigger than my PS2 and gamecube combined. And that's just the power adapter.

The power adapter is bigger than a PS2 and GC combined? :roll:

Slimline PS2. There aren't any surviving big PS2's And for the inevitable "I'm going to calculate the volume" argument, I was eyeballing it and being slightly sarcastic.

Better than the xbox original, better than the xbox S, worse than the Dualshock 2.

Dual Shock 2 sucks...no analog triggers makes racing games suck.

Matter of opinion.

It still looks like an Apple product.

That's a good thing.

Definitely a matter of opinion.

Even on an HDTV running at 1080p, it's only JUST BARELY drawing more pixels than my PC's video card was drawing in 1998.

Please enlighten us to what 1998-era video card you had that would run games at 1920x1080 in a playable fashion.

We've been through this already. The software was never developed, but the hardware was capable of doing it.

Comments on the game (That damned Zombie game): Unreadable text, somewhat fun, I'd play it through if they stuck it on a REAL gaming platform (PC) and not the bullshit kid's stuff.

Played one game and now you're an authority on the console? :laugh: Get help.

[/quote] Never said I was - but as far as I'm concerned, consoles in general aren't the ideal platform.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
How can you criticize the 360 because of certain problems you have with an individual game? Does that mean that every time I can't get a game to work on my PC, or a game sucks on the PC, I need to declare that PCs suck?

For the umpteenth time, I was evaluating the hardware and the software SEPERATELY.

I edited the OP to add headers to that effect.

Do you assclowns get it yet?

 

[dexvx]

BTW, I can totally justify spending $800 or less for a 32" LCDTV than $800 on a computer upgrade that will be worth half that next year; most consumers would agree with me. Howadays, if you're buying a new TV, its going to be at minmum an EDTV, 480p, and most often or not, it'll be a 720p HDTV. You'd have to be a moron to buy a new SDTV these days.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
How can you criticize the 360 because of certain problems you have with an individual game? Does that mean that every time I can't get a game to work on my PC, or a game sucks on the PC, I need to declare that PCs suck?

For the umpteenth time, I was evaluating the hardware and the software SEPERATELY.

I edited the OP to add headers to that effect.

Do you assclowns get it yet?

So, you hated the game. That's understandable since capcom botched the game as far as SDTV is concerned.

You lost me on your hardware comparisons. Comparing a console to a PC is about as apples to oranges as you can get. This is especially true when attempting to play 2 player Madden on your PC vs. on my 60" LCD w/ a booming surround. Sure, some people have HTPCs but that's not for me or anyone I know.

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: duragezic
LOL, worst rant ever. Hardly any of the points made any sense at all.

"You must be too young to know.." LOL yeah you are so old school. I think you are like +/- 1 or 2 years of my age. The first console I played was a NES and I was very young at the time. I guess kids these days play them ever younger, but I don't get how the hell you can act like you were around playing that Atari when it came out. Yeah I can read about classic consoles on Wikipedia or pick up retro ones one Ebay. But it's not like I was around playing them, and saying "Man this is awesome" because there was nothing else out to compare to it at the time.

The whole 1920x1080/1920x1200 in 1998 thing is just stupid. As NFS4 pointed out, no 3d game had any chance of running at that resolution. Software and API issue? How about the damn video cards weren't anywhere near powerful enough to draw that many pixels at 30FPS+? Yeah, I got old video cards still that support those resolutions as well as old CRTs supporting high resolutions. Outside of your desktop resolution, you couldn't get anywhere near 1920x1080 on games of the time period until the past few years. I had to play HL1 with my Voodoo Banshee at like 512x384 with tweaked out details and a smaller view. When I got my Radeon 64 I could maybe jump to 1024x768 with more graphics turned on or a tad higher, but never could I get near 1080p. Even now I only can if the game is a couple of years old and not that demanding (I'd reckon UT2004 would run fine at 1080p if I had the monitor to do it).

But I don't know why I'm even typing this, waste of time... you really lack logical reasoning. Yeah, if you buy a 360, you HAVE to buy a full set of wireless controllers with charge packs, wireless network adapter, memory cards, etc. And why do you think they bundle and support old formats likes composite or s-video? Because the majority of the market buying them have no idea about the new HD standards.. They are used to plugging in their POS PS2s and whatnot with the standard composite or s-video connections. Sure that doesn't take full advantage and ends up looking like crap, but to most people they just don't think of that since they don't have PCs or HD sets to compare to.

Ignored your middle paragraph about the video card issue I see... weird. That's just a completely ****** stupid thing to say.

 

[ntdz]

Lets see here, you played one of the worst games for the 360 which doesn't even use next gen graphics ON A REGULAR TV and you rate the 360 the same hardware wise as ps2. You're an idiot, sir.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Even on an HDTV running at 1080p, it's only JUST BARELY drawing more pixels than my PC's video card was drawing in 1998.

Please enlighten us to what 1998-era video card you had that would run games at 1920x1080 in a playable fashion.

We've been through this already. The software was never developed, but the hardware was capable of doing it.

Capable? Technically. Practically? Not a snowballs chance in hell. Maybe some game with five polygons and no textures MIGHT be playable at 1080p on 1998's hardware.

Oh yea, and the dualshock2 is uncomfortable junk.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Even on an HDTV running at 1080p, it's only JUST BARELY drawing more pixels than my PC's video card was drawing in 1998.

Please enlighten us to what 1998-era video card you had that would run games at 1920x1080 in a playable fashion.

We've been through this already. The software was never developed, but the hardware was capable of doing it.

Capable? Technically. Practically? Not a snowballs chance in hell. Maybe some game with five polygons and no textures MIGHT be playable at 1080p on 1998's hardware.

Oh yea, and the dualshock2 is uncomfortable junk.

The irony is that there WAS software in those days that could run at very high resolution (IIRC GLQuake maxed out at 1600x1200), but the hardware could never make it run smoothly. I actually had a RIVA 128, which maxed out at 800 x 600, and went on to buy an SLI setup - I got one card in the summer of 1998 IIRC, and the second one the following winter. That setup allowed me to run at 1024 x 768, thus pushing just over 1/3 the pixels of HD.

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: Lucifer

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
wrong. dualshock >>> xbox controller

Well with reasoning like that you can't possibly be wrong!

Seriously, what's so great about the dual shock controller? I mean, I loved playing games on the SNES controller. At the time it kicked ass. In retrospect it pretty much sucked. Console developers have since learned that flat controllers aren't very comfortable.

FWIW, Dualshock didn't get rave reviews in this thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1930079&enterthread=y

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Not at all. The primary reason I refuse to play the PS2 is because of that controller. The N64 one is equally bad.

The primary reason I haven't bought another PS2 is because of their tendency to stop working. N64 controller was bad, but you have to consider the time period. Analog sticks were a new thing. They had to give the D-pad and the analog stick equal prominence. The way they did it worked alright... my main complaint about the N64 controller was the 4 C buttons. They made no sense.

My N64 controllers still work.

I had no problem with the button configuration, but those joysticks get so worn out and quit working , I purchased replacement joysticks on ebay and put them in my controllers because you can't get new n64 controllers anymore.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: dexvx
BTW, I can totally justify spending $800 or less for a 32" LCDTV than $800 on a computer upgrade that will be worth half that next year; most consumers would agree with me. Howadays, if you're buying a new TV, its going to be at minmum an EDTV, 480p, and most often or not, it'll be a 720p HDTV. You'd have to be a moron to buy a new SDTV these days.

Speaking of 32" LCD TV's, I JUST bought one for myself TODAY. The 32" HDTV that my Xbox 360 is currently hooked up to is our den (4 guys in the house). This will be going in my room.

$497 for a refurb Viewsonic 32" HDTV-ready LCD TV + $11 S&H and no tax. 1-year warranty.

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4976821

 

[Doom Machine]

why must pc fanboys insist on including cost of HDTV to a console....for $50 you can buy a converter that lets you play xbox360 on pc monitor or your pc on your HDTV, i have one and works fine, currently i use my old sony pc on my bigscreen

so with that in mind...what difference does it matter to play pc on a 19" lcd or an 360 on one? cause no tv is really needed

 

[jiwq]

where can i buy an RFU adapter for xbox 360?

 

[voodoodrul]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: duragezic

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Comments on controller: Better than the xbox original, better than the xbox S, worse than the Dualshock 2.

Are you ****** kidding me?

1. The analog sticks are better on the Xbox/Xbox 360 controllers
2. They put them in the right place on the Xbox/Xbox 360 controller! Why in the name of Jebus tap dancing christ is Sony STILL putting the analog sticks in a secondary position after 3 generations? For the love of G.O.B. give some love to the left analog stick.

Dualshock is the biggest piece of ****** that ever controlled a video game. Its only saving grace is that the system was popular, so people got used to it. People got used to ****** and learned to like it.

And to save my life I just can't get used to X/Square/Circle/Triangle. My brain has an easier time with ABXY because the letters have a logical connection.

QFT. MS really did good with the Xbox controller IMO. And other than a better game library (though for me it only comes down to a few PS2 exclusives like God of War) the PS2 was way behind the Xbox IMO. 1920x1080 is only barely higher pixels than 1998? 1998.. I was playing Quake mostly, some RTS and other genres, and Half-life came out. Sure I didn't have a top-of-the-line video card like V2 SLI, but I was playing at like 640x480 or 800x600 for current games and maybe 1024x768 on older ones like Q1.

You may not have been playing games at those levels, but I have, sitting in my lap, an in-box Radeon AIW dated from 2000. It supports 2048x1536x32@75 for 2d display, and 1920x1200 (this is key, this is larger than 1920x1080 (1080p))x32@75hz.

Whether the 3d engine and underlying APIs were good enough to support that is a completely different matter (generally speaking, they weren't - but this is MUCH more a software problem than a hardware problem).

Earlier chipsets supported the 1920x resolutions as well - including the classic ATI Rage.

And as for monitors, Sony, CTX, NEC, and others were making displays that met those levels in 1998 if not earlier (I have monitors in my inventory which support that)

You must just like to hear yourself talk. You know that's complete bull. "Whether the 3d engine and underlying APIs were good enough to support that is a completely different matter".. The API could care less what res you run at.

1080P is a chore for modern video cards. Run FEAR at 1920x1080 with 2xAA and then tell me the 360 is a pile.

Note: I refuse to buy one or a PS3. Wii pwns all

 

[XZeroII]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say,
"I agree with everything everyone has said in this thread".

 

[TrueBlueLS]

Originally posted by: jiwq
where can i buy an RFU adapter for xbox 360?

-3/10

 

[rambow]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Playing XBOX 360 on a standard TV and then bitching about it not looking good is like driving a Honda S2000 only in first gear and then complaining that it is slow as f&^k. If you don't have an HDTV, why the *&#$^ would you even bother?

And Dead Rising looks flippin' fantastic on our 32" HDTV.

As for the controller, it's MILES ahead of the Dual Shock controller and the analog sticks are perfectly placed.

Besides, this rant sounds like some sh!t that a high schooler would come up with. Play one game on a less than optimum TV, then complain like a little *****

 

[jiwq]

Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS

Originally posted by: jiwq
where can i buy an RFU adapter for xbox 360?

-3/10

no really, when i want to bring it to my friend's house, who still have TVs from the 80's

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: voodoodrul

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: duragezic

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Comments on controller: Better than the xbox original, better than the xbox S, worse than the Dualshock 2.

Are you ****** kidding me?

1. The analog sticks are better on the Xbox/Xbox 360 controllers
2. They put them in the right place on the Xbox/Xbox 360 controller! Why in the name of Jebus tap dancing christ is Sony STILL putting the analog sticks in a secondary position after 3 generations? For the love of G.O.B. give some love to the left analog stick.

Dualshock is the biggest piece of ****** that ever controlled a video game. Its only saving grace is that the system was popular, so people got used to it. People got used to ****** and learned to like it.

And to save my life I just can't get used to X/Square/Circle/Triangle. My brain has an easier time with ABXY because the letters have a logical connection.

QFT. MS really did good with the Xbox controller IMO. And other than a better game library (though for me it only comes down to a few PS2 exclusives like God of War) the PS2 was way behind the Xbox IMO. 1920x1080 is only barely higher pixels than 1998? 1998.. I was playing Quake mostly, some RTS and other genres, and Half-life came out. Sure I didn't have a top-of-the-line video card like V2 SLI, but I was playing at like 640x480 or 800x600 for current games and maybe 1024x768 on older ones like Q1.

You may not have been playing games at those levels, but I have, sitting in my lap, an in-box Radeon AIW dated from 2000. It supports 2048x1536x32@75 for 2d display, and 1920x1200 (this is key, this is larger than 1920x1080 (1080p))x32@75hz.

Whether the 3d engine and underlying APIs were good enough to support that is a completely different matter (generally speaking, they weren't - but this is MUCH more a software problem than a hardware problem).

Earlier chipsets supported the 1920x resolutions as well - including the classic ATI Rage.

And as for monitors, Sony, CTX, NEC, and others were making displays that met those levels in 1998 if not earlier (I have monitors in my inventory which support that)

You must just like to hear yourself talk. You know that's complete bull. "Whether the 3d engine and underlying APIs were good enough to support that is a completely different matter".. The API could care less what res you run at.

1080P is a chore for modern video cards. Run FEAR at 1920x1080 with 2xAA and then tell me the 360 is a pile.

Note: I refuse to buy one or a PS3. Wii pwns all

Exactly. 1080p isn't a cakewalk for most modern PC systems either with all goodies turned on...let alone something from 1998 so I don't understand EyeMWing's point at all.

Regardless, his rant is weak and 99% of the people in this thread have pointed this out.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Exactly. 1080p isn't a cakewalk for most modern PC systems either with all goodies turned on...let alone something from 1998 so I don't understand EyeMWing's point at all.

Regardless, his rant is weak and 99% of the people in this thread have pointed this out.

Yeah I'm confused about that too.... Sure, a PC could display high resolutions back then... in 2D. But no 3D game was capable of it, so how can you say the hardware was capable of it? Because they didn't make games with graphics that were simplistic enough that they could be displayed at that resolution? The obvious implication in his comment is that the PCs of 8 years ago were as capable as an Xbox 360. What a moronic assertion. It's clearly not the case.

In conclusion, EyeMWing is an idiot. No wonder he likes the DualShock controller.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: dexvx
BTW, I can totally justify spending $800 or less for a 32" LCDTV than $800 on a computer upgrade that will be worth half that next year; most consumers would agree with me. Howadays, if you're buying a new TV, its going to be at minmum an EDTV, 480p, and most often or not, it'll be a 720p HDTV. You'd have to be a moron to buy a new SDTV these days.

Speaking of 32" LCD TV's, I JUST bought one for myself TODAY. The 32" HDTV that my Xbox 360 is currently hooked up to is our den (4 guys in the house). This will be going in my room.

$497 for a refurb Viewsonic 32" HDTV-ready LCD TV + $11 S&H and no tax. 1-year warranty.

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4976821

Pretty amazing. I was in CompUSA, of all places, and saw a 42" EDTV plasma for $999 on -sale. I'm guessing there will be xmas specials of new 32" 720p LCDTV's running around the $500 easily.

Sure SDTV's greatly outnumber EDTV/HDTV's, but thats because they've been producing SDTV's since what? The 70s? I'm gonna go off on a limb and assume that even now as we speak, the majority of TV's > 20" sold are compable of HDTV.

 

[Doom Machine]

i recently bought a 52" hdtv for $900 at circuit city

 

[Ulukia]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
There seems to be some confusion here..did you or didn't you play that game on a 1080p television using component, dvi, vga, or HDMI?

I played the game on an SDTV using COMPOSITE

Which is a standard, Microsoft-supported output which the Dead Rising developers decided to completely ignore and leave incapable of reading gameplay critical text.

Lol, this one totally killed his argument. Since when in today's world can you NOT buy a TV with Component/S-Video? Where do you shop, WalMart?
The cable that is included with the Xbox 360 is RCA (Composite) and Component. The VGA and S-Video cables are extra, but just wait a bit for the Cooler King and you won't need them.
It's like putting regular gas in a car that would greatly benefit from premium gas. Sure it runs on both, but performs much better with premium. Just because they are both analog signals doesn't mean they are the same, and no its not splitting hairs.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: dexvx
BTW, I can totally justify spending $800 or less for a 32" LCDTV than $800 on a computer upgrade that will be worth half that next year; most consumers would agree with me. Howadays, if you're buying a new TV, its going to be at minmum an EDTV, 480p, and most often or not, it'll be a 720p HDTV. You'd have to be a moron to buy a new SDTV these days.

Speaking of 32" LCD TV's, I JUST bought one for myself TODAY. The 32" HDTV that my Xbox 360 is currently hooked up to is our den (4 guys in the house). This will be going in my room.

$497 for a refurb Viewsonic 32" HDTV-ready LCD TV + $11 S&H and no tax. 1-year warranty.

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4976821

Pretty amazing. I was in CompUSA, of all places, and saw a 42" EDTV plasma for $999 on -sale. I'm guessing there will be xmas specials of new 32" 720p LCDTV's running around the $500 easily.

Sure SDTV's greatly outnumber EDTV/HDTV's, but thats because they've been producing SDTV's since what? The 70s? I'm gonna go off on a limb and assume that even now as we speak, the majority of TV's > 20" sold are compable of HDTV.

New 40" for $900 :Q

 

[Tom]

Are there ever going to be any innovative games to go with the xbox 360's nice hardware, or is always only going to have the same games that have been around for years, but prettier ?

I'd like to like 360, but I look through the games I could buy, and I can't find any compelling game to justify buying one.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: Tom
Are there ever going to be any innovative games to go with the xbox 360's nice hardware, or is always only going to have the same games that have been around for years, but prettier ?

I'd like to like 360, but I look through the games I could buy, and I can't find any compelling game to justify buying one.

Although I can't afford one right now, I'd buy X360 for Dead Rising. That game looks fun. Oh and Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, I heard that's a different experience from the PC version.