So I kicked my room mate out.....POLL ADDED!

[HomeBrewerDude]

unbelievable!

how could you let the sorry excuse of this living arrangement get like this?

insanity all around!

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Shame

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: irishScott
To do so is forcing the kid to smoke and inhale 2x the tar you do, which the kid cannot control.

So, I'm safer to smoke firsthand than secondhand? Sweet, I'll go buy a pack.

yes
http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile30a.stm

How dangerous is second-hand smoke?

Second-hand smoke is poisonous and has over 4000 chemicals, including 50 that can cause cancer. Breathing second-hand smoke can be more dangerous than inhaling smoke through a cigarette. It has twice as much nicotine and tar as the smoke that people smoking inhale and five times more carbon monoxide, a deadly gas that starves your body of oxygen.

Other chemicals found in second-hand smoke include:

* Benzo[a]pyrene found in coal tar, one of the most potent cancer-causing chemicals.
* Formaldehyde used to preserve dead animals.
* Hydrogen cyanide used in rat poison.
* Ammonia used to clean floors and toilets.

Each year in Canada, breathing second-hand smoke causes more than 1000 deaths among people who do not smoke, mainly from lung cancer and heart disease, and keeps many more from leading healthy lives.

So which one is it?

A. Smoking protects the smoker from second hand smoke?
B. The above reference doesn't include both types of smoke for the smoker?

It answers it in the bolded line.

It has twice as much nicotine and tar as the smoke that people smoking inhale

that is, as much as smokers inhale.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Shame

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: irishScott
To do so is forcing the kid to smoke and inhale 2x the tar you do, which the kid cannot control.

So, I'm safer to smoke firsthand than secondhand? Sweet, I'll go buy a pack.

yes
http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile30a.stm

How dangerous is second-hand smoke?

Second-hand smoke is poisonous and has over 4000 chemicals, including 50 that can cause cancer. Breathing second-hand smoke can be more dangerous than inhaling smoke through a cigarette. It has twice as much nicotine and tar as the smoke that people smoking inhale and five times more carbon monoxide, a deadly gas that starves your body of oxygen.

Other chemicals found in second-hand smoke include:

* Benzo[a]pyrene found in coal tar, one of the most potent cancer-causing chemicals.
* Formaldehyde used to preserve dead animals.
* Hydrogen cyanide used in rat poison.
* Ammonia used to clean floors and toilets.

Each year in Canada, breathing second-hand smoke causes more than 1000 deaths among people who do not smoke, mainly from lung cancer and heart disease, and keeps many more from leading healthy lives.

So which one is it?

A. Smoking protects the smoker from second hand smoke?
B. The above reference doesn't include both types of smoke for the smoker?

It answers it in the bolded line.

It has twice as much nicotine and tar as the smoke that people smoking inhale

that is, as much as smokers inhale.

So since smokers both inhale their cigarettes first-hand smoke and their own second hand smoke, wouldn't they be getting 1.5x that of second hand smokers?

 

[SSP]

Is her crap still in your place? Then you didnt kicked her out yet. She's going to come back and cry about it, and you're gona cave.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: Shame

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: irishScott
To do so is forcing the kid to smoke and inhale 2x the tar you do, which the kid cannot control.

So, I'm safer to smoke firsthand than secondhand? Sweet, I'll go buy a pack.

yes
http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile30a.stm

How dangerous is second-hand smoke?

Second-hand smoke is poisonous and has over 4000 chemicals, including 50 that can cause cancer. Breathing second-hand smoke can be more dangerous than inhaling smoke through a cigarette. It has twice as much nicotine and tar as the smoke that people smoking inhale and five times more carbon monoxide, a deadly gas that starves your body of oxygen.

Other chemicals found in second-hand smoke include:

* Benzo[a]pyrene found in coal tar, one of the most potent cancer-causing chemicals.
* Formaldehyde used to preserve dead animals.
* Hydrogen cyanide used in rat poison.
* Ammonia used to clean floors and toilets.

Each year in Canada, breathing second-hand smoke causes more than 1000 deaths among people who do not smoke, mainly from lung cancer and heart disease, and keeps many more from leading healthy lives.

So which one is it?

A. Smoking protects the smoker from second hand smoke?
B. The above reference doesn't include both types of smoke for the smoker?

I was at first going crazy trying to figure out who would publish such facts but then I saw it was the Canadian govt. and not to be trusted. :laugh:

Lol if you want more:

http://www.tobaccofacts.org/secondhand/index.html

Second-hand smoke has twice as much nicotine and tar as the smoke that smokers inhale. It also has five times the carbon monoxide which decreases the amount of oxygen in your blood.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/56/3/367

Twice as much tar and nicotine is found in sidestream smoke from the end of a burning cigarette as in mainstream smoke.

Parents who smoke at home can aggravate symptoms in asthmatic children and even trigger attacks in some. Even among non-asthmatic children of such parents, researchers found twice as much respiratory illness.

and from PennState:

http://www.sa.psu.edu/uhs/healthinforma...ientlibrary/health/secondhandsmoke.cfm

The surprising fact is that side-stream smoke has higher concentrations of noxious compounds than the main-stream smoke inhaled by the smoker. Some studies show there is twice as much tar and nicotine in side-stream smoke compared to main-stream smoke, as well as three times as much of a compound called 3-4 Benzopyrine, which is suspected to be a cancer causing agent. There is also 10 times as much carbon monoxide that robs the blood of oxygen and 50 times as much ammonia in second-hand smoke.

 

[Indolent]

off topic, but was cellio a typo or do you really call it that?

 

[ForumMaster]

what a bitch! why didn't you throw her out sooner? if she wants to live in your house, she needs to follow your rules,

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

man you need to grow some balls. don't let anyone walk all over you like that.

 

[Sphexi]

What happened with the baby while she was at work? She just left it in her room, left it with a friend, what?

It's not your fault her life sucks, she should've at least been pitching in for rent or whatever, to try and have that kind of attitude. She's a guest in your house, she should've acted like it.

 

[xgsound]

I'm sure I'm older than most of the ATers, but I am still surprised by the amount of comments that smoking around the baby is so terrible. By the discription of the childs current home life, parental example, and lack of a current address, I don't see how smoking becomes a measurable issue.

When I was a kid almost noone had a "smoke free" house. The 2 or 3 "smoke free" households I recall up until I was about 30 were the biggest jerks around. Times have changed alot in that regard, but this childs life would have to improve 1,000% for smoking to be a problem worth considering on any level.

It's a good thing she wasn't paying rent, because there could be legal issues to getting her removed if she was.

Good luck to all concerned.


Jim

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: xgsound
I'm sure I'm older than most of the ATers, but I am still surprised by the amount of comments that smoking around the baby is so terrible. By the discription of the childs current home life, parental example, and lack of a current address, I don't see how smoking becomes a measurable issue.

When I was a kid almost noone had a "smoke free" house. The 2 or 3 households I recall up until I was about 30 were the biggest jerks around. Times have changed alot in that regard, but this childs life would have to improve 1,000% for smoking to be a problem worth considering on any level.

It's a good thing she wasn't paying rent, because there could be legal issues to getting her removed if she was.

Good luck to all concerned.


Jim

You're a smoker, aren't you?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
man you need to grow some balls. don't let anyone walk all over you like that.

it can be a bit more difficult I suppose if you think of someone as a friend.

 

[xgsound]

Quintox: Yes. I'm burning one up as we type.


Jim

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: xgsound
I'm sure I'm older than most of the ATers, but I am still surprised by the amount of comments that smoking around the baby is so terrible. By the discription of the childs current home life, parental example, and lack of a current address, I don't see how smoking becomes a measurable issue.

When I was a kid almost noone had a "smoke free" house. The 2 or 3 "smoke free" households I recall up until I was about 30 were the biggest jerks around. Times have changed alot in that regard, but this childs life would have to improve 1,000% for smoking to be a problem worth considering on any level.

It's a good thing she wasn't paying rent, because there could be legal issues to getting her removed if she was.

Good luck to all concerned.


Jim

There's a reason my generation (born 1987) has a longer life expectancy than the previous one.

There's also the fact that your inhaling so much sh!T it's pathetic. And when you smoke in public you force us non-smokers to inhale twice as much (5x in the case of CO) sh!t as you do.

One of the things that kept me from smoking is that I knew I would harm people, let alone harming myself. Did you know that smokers and people exposed to smoke in general live shorter lives with more health complications? I dunno about you, but that's something I want to avoid for myself and my future kids.

I'm not saying that not smoking in the house will make a home-life perfect, but as far as physical conditions go, a non-smoking household is drastically better than a smoking household.

 

[TehMac]

Its your house. I don't think you did wrong at all. She was leeching too much on you, and refused to compromise. Although the smoking was a bit much, you did fine. Besides, now you can smoke all you want, and not have anything on your conscience for smoking a baby.

 

[Finality]

I think its obvious why shes single.

 

[Linux23]

Originally posted by: amdforever2
She could have kept her baby and cats from interfering with the rest of my space.


I agree to let her inconvenience me a little, you say thats a license for her to do whatever she wants brandonb?

I agree with brandonb

How the F do you invite somebody to stay with you with special needs, and refuse to compromise a little?

And yes, having a baby does require different needs, than someone living with you that doesn't.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Amused
The smoking would be an issue if she paid rent. But she did not. In that case, she can take her little rug rat and leave until your smoking friends are done if she's so concerned about the baby's health.

Why ANY of this was an issue in the first place is beyond me. She was there rent free. In that case she has no right to be bitching about anything and, quite frankly, should have been blowing you nightly.

I would have thrown her out the first time she demanded a damn thing and didn't do exactly as I wished.

Let this be a lesson and grow a pair.

 

[zerocool84]

Your place, your rules. You can do whatever you want in there. She didn't pay one cent so you say what goes even if there was a baby there. You should have manned up sooner but now it's over with. Please never get yourself into that type of situation again.

 

[Braznor]

Is this for real? How could this be possible in ATOT? :Q

No one said TTIWWP?????

 

[HomeAppraiser]

Ten to one she wears too much eye makeup!

 

[Oxaqata]

Edit

 

[amdforever2]

Baby was in a bedroom off of the living room.

Door shut.

Yet still, at 3 am, the cancer scare apparently had to be addressed with my friends.

I don't even smoke myself.

 

[FallenHero]

Let this be a lesson: Never EVER EVER EVER EVER do a favor for crazy people.

 

[Goosemaster]

I hope you learned your lesson.