don't you know everything down there is ass backwards?Originally posted by: masterxfob
i think dug needs to preach his BS elsewhere :beer:
Originally posted by: sward666
QUICK!! Somebody jerk off!!
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: sward666
QUICK!! Somebody jerk off!!
I'm certain you didn't have to say that around here.
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
WTF. I love cats. But you are not in the wrong here. The idiot girl is the one in the wrong. First, wtf do you bring a cat with you somewhere? Second, wtf do you let a 3 month old cat wander? Oh, that's right, because she was too busy doing things other than taking care of her BABY (aka cat) and now, as is the norm in our country, it is someone else's fault.
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
WTF. I love cats. But you are not in the wrong here. The idiot girl is the one in the wrong. First, wtf do you bring a cat with you somewhere? Second, wtf do you let a 3 month old cat wander? Oh, that's right, because she was too busy doing things other than taking care of her BABY (aka cat) and now, as is the norm in our country, it is someone else's fault.
He gave her permission to let it roam. Then failed to take any reasonable care not to watch out for it.
It's exactly like someone bringing a kid to a party, the host saying, 'sure, he/she can run around', and then the host blundering out of a room, not paying any attention, and accidentally knocking the kid down a flight of stairs, killing him/her.
I assume you can see where the liability would fall there?
*beats head against wall*
Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Pay for the vet bill, then send her a bill for the professional carpet cleaning....
Originally posted by: Sc4freak
Pay for her cat, and the vet bill.
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Originally posted by: dug777
This is a party at his house, with his friends...a reasonable degree of care would of call be expected of everyone there, and that would inculde taking extra special care when moving about given teh knowledge they all had that the kitten was there...
Why should they? The cat isn't their property. If she doesn't want her property to be damaged, she shouldn't leave it in the middle of a ****** staircase.
I don't think it's worth arguing with you HB
That said, i'll try to reason with you. You are still liable for destroying or damaging things that are put in what you would consider to be a stupid place, if you had a reasonable knowledge that the object was there/might be there and you don't take reasonable care.
You can't just destroy things because you think they're in a daft place, i assume even your very basic knowledge of the law recognises that?
if it were a Gameboy DS instead of a kitten he had stepped on, would you feel the same way?
fact is, it's HER KITTEN, her responsibility.
If it was a child, how would you feel?
I'm just stating what i understand, given the benefit of 5 years legal education. Given his permission and obvious knowledge of the cat's presence, he would be expected to take reasonable care in not treading on it, or to ensure that the animal was at no risk.
If you have a BBQ, and someone's kid drowns in your pool that doesn't have fence around it, you are liable, even if you told the parents to watch their kids... You may not like it, but that's the way the law has developed.
Knowing there was a kitten he had allowed to roam in his house, he failed to take sufficient (or even any, from his OP) care to watch out for it, and he killed it, which means it's death is his responsibility.
She's made a dreadful error of judgement bringing the cat there, but he accepted that, and permitted it.
Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
WTF. I love cats. But you are not in the wrong here. The idiot girl is the one in the wrong. First, wtf do you bring a cat with you somewhere? Second, wtf do you let a 3 month old cat wander? Oh, that's right, because she was too busy doing things other than taking care of her BABY (aka cat) and now, as is the norm in our country, it is someone else's fault.
He gave her permission to let it roam. Then failed to take any reasonable care not to watch out for it.
It's exactly like someone bringing a kid to a party, the host saying, 'sure, he/she can run around', and then the host blundering out of a room, not paying any attention, and accidentally knocking the kid down a flight of stairs, killing him/her.
I assume you can see where the liability would fall there?
*beats head against wall*
I'd say the parent. But that's just me... If you let anything run around etc then it's your damn fault. Of course the legal system will see differently but that's how I see it. Also child is much bigger than a baby kitten unless you mean it's a baby which then should not have been allowed to wander around at all.
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Yeah really I didn't even think of that, what a selfish fvcking bitch :|Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Screw the money. Isn't she upset about the poor kitten?
Who would pay money for a goddamned cat anyway? There aren't enough to be adopted? Oh, but she wanted a cute little kitten 'cuz its cute. Now I'm mad at her :|
Originally posted by: SampSon
Kittens are a dime a dozen.
Give her 1/12 of a dime.
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Yeah really I didn't even think of that, what a selfish fvcking bitch :|Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Screw the money. Isn't she upset about the poor kitten?
Who would pay money for a goddamned cat anyway? There aren't enough to be adopted? Oh, but she wanted a cute little kitten 'cuz its cute. Now I'm mad at her :|
You have to pay to adopt cats you moron.
Originally posted by: veggz
Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: veggz
I am aware of the terms of the law in these matters, but is it necessary to take such a strict legal perspective in the issue? Think about it practically: the girl showed up at my door with a kitten, and rule #1 at a get-together is that you never under any circumstances deny a girl entry into your home. Granted I wouldn't consider us good friends, but we were at least on good terms. Then when she asks if she can let it wander am I supposed to make her hang on to it for the remainder of the night? Again, ignoring the legal implications, this makes no sense and would make me look like a complete dick.
And for the record I did sprain my ankle, though I don't see what the fuss is. Either way I won't be walking for the next couple of weeks.
LMAO. Tell that to a judge in just those terms and I'm sure he/she will agree with you.
What you're saying is that you aren't responsible for watching where your fvcking feet are when you know that there is a kitten underfoot and that you are incapable of politely declining the request to let the kitten wander because the person asking possesses a vagina.
You accuse her of being 'crazy' and a "bitch", but I wonder how calm, polite, and concerned you were when the accident happened when I see you refer to her in those terms and the cat as "the thing", "stupid" and "retarded."
What this boils down to is you admit to having caused the whole thing by "not really watching where I was going" and now that you are presented with the possibility of having to take at least a certain amount of responsibility for it, you don't want to because it's not convenient for you.
The reason I say that the legal perspective is irrelevant is because there is no way in hell I am taking an issue like this to court. Like several others have said I think it was unreasonable of her to expect everyone present to be on the lookout for a small animal. Even if I did give permission for it to roam about, common sense would dictate that the kitten was still her responsibility.
Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Originally posted by: Raduque
I find that people like you are far more useless then the animals you claim are useless. I'd rather spend a week locked in a room with a pissed off tiger then an hour with your type in public.
No more useless than the selfish bitch that wants everyone to watch out for her property.
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I can't believe some of the responses in this thread. Absolutely hilarious how fanatical cat lovers are getting.
Regardless of what the OP did, this girl brought her pet unannounced to his house. She, being the owner of the cat, bears the responsibility of looking after and taking care of the cat. She made the stupid decision to let it roam free during a party where alcohol was being consumed. As far as I can tell, the only one to blame here is the stupid bitch for not having one ounce of common sense.
If I were the OP I would still feel very badly, but I would not pay one cent to that bitch. Tell her you are very sorry for what you did and leave it at that. You owe her nothing.
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
WTF. I love cats. But you are not in the wrong here. The idiot girl is the one in the wrong. First, wtf do you bring a cat with you somewhere? Second, wtf do you let a 3 month old cat wander? Oh, that's right, because she was too busy doing things other than taking care of her BABY (aka cat) and now, as is the norm in our country, it is someone else's fault.
He gave her permission to let it roam. Then failed to take any reasonable care not to watch out for it.
It's exactly like someone bringing a kid to a party, the host saying, 'sure, he/she can run around', and then the host blundering out of a room, not paying any attention, and accidentally knocking the kid down a flight of stairs, killing him/her.
I assume you can see where the liability would fall there?
*beats head against wall*
I'd say the parent. But that's just me... If you let anything run around etc then it's your damn fault. Of course the legal system will see differently but that's how I see it. Also child is much bigger than a baby kitten unless you mean it's a baby which then should not have been allowed to wander around at all.
you are right Dug is wrong.
GIVING PERMISSION DOES NOT MEAN HE IS LIABLE NOT THE SAME THING.
regardless of whether he gave permission or not THE GIRL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CAT.
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
WTF. I love cats. But you are not in the wrong here. The idiot girl is the one in the wrong. First, wtf do you bring a cat with you somewhere? Second, wtf do you let a 3 month old cat wander? Oh, that's right, because she was too busy doing things other than taking care of her BABY (aka cat) and now, as is the norm in our country, it is someone else's fault.
He gave her permission to let it roam. Then failed to take any reasonable care not to watch out for it.
It's exactly like someone bringing a kid to a party, the host saying, 'sure, he/she can run around', and then the host blundering out of a room, not paying any attention, and accidentally knocking the kid down a flight of stairs, killing him/her.
I assume you can see where the liability would fall there?
*beats head against wall*
I'd say the parent. But that's just me... If you let anything run around etc then it's your damn fault. Of course the legal system will see differently but that's how I see it. Also child is much bigger than a baby kitten unless you mean it's a baby which then should not have been allowed to wander around at all.
you are right Dug is wrong.
GIVING PERMISSION DOES NOT MEAN HE IS LIABLE NOT THE SAME THING.
regardless of whether he gave permission or not THE GIRL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CAT.
Affirmative. By licensing you to drive, the state gives you permission to use the road system. Are they liable if your car gets crushed by a semi? HELL NO.