So I may have killed my friend's kitten today...

[RaiderJ]

I don't care if everyone in the world knew the kitten was around, the owner should have been more responsible and kept it nearby.

 

[postmortemIA]

here's what I think:

nobody cares for your opinions.

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy

Originally posted by: dug777
This is a party at his house, with his friends...a reasonable degree of care would of call be expected of everyone there, and that would inculde taking extra special care when moving about given teh knowledge they all had that the kitten was there...

Why should they? The cat isn't their property. If she doesn't want her property to be damaged, she shouldn't leave it in the middle of a ****** staircase.

I don't think it's worth arguing with you HB

That said, i'll try to reason with you. You are still liable for destroying or damaging things that are put in what you would consider to be a stupid place, if you had a reasonable knowledge that the object was there/might be there and you don't take reasonable care.

You can't just destroy things because you think they're in a daft place, i assume even your very basic knowledge of the law recognises that?

That's rediculous. If I park my bicycle behind your truck and you run it over, I'm the responsible one because I put it in a stupid place.

He didn't step on the cat purposefully, it was an accident.

 

[Counterfe1t]

Now, the girl wants me to pay her (she hasn't said how much) and is majorly pissed off. Honestly I want to say fck her, I broke my ankle and she's just being a bitch, it's not my responsibility she brought her retarded cat in the first place.

What do you guys think?

Update: Clover is dead. The girl just sent me a fax with a picture of the kitten and a message generously strewn with obscenities. I think she is going crazy.

wow i thought friends were supposed to forgive and forget not charge you out the ass for a freak accident.

 

[wolftamer207]

She is stupid enough to bring it and blame for her own problems. If she didn't whant her cat to die she shouldn't have brought it to a place with beer,lol. Not saying you were drunk but it was a high possibility that anyone could have stepped on an animal that stupidly places itself on a spot were everyone walks on o.o.

 

[g8wayrebel]

NFW I think you should pay anything. Bringing the Kitten is no worse than people who bring kids to an adult party. She is responsible for it and never should have brought it to a party.

 

[Noirish]

she should've taken care of the cat.

you can pay half the vet cost out of goodwill.
you can pay half toward a new cat out of goodwill.

if that relationship is severed due to the cat, maybe the goodwill is redundant.

 

[wolftamer207]

Originally posted by: Noirish
she should've taken care of the cat.

you can pay half the vet cost out of goodwill.
you can pay half toward a new cat out of goodwill.

if that relationship is severed due to the cat, maybe the goodwill is redundant.

Or you can make her pay for the blood stain on the carpet, lol.

 

[nwrigley]

The reason that the kitten died has more to do with thet fact that it was sitting on the staris unattended. If she is responsible for that situation, then she is responsible for the death.

Who's fault is it if a kid runs out into traffic and is hit by a car: the parent who let their kid run around unattended or the driver who the kid ran in front of?

 

[nwrigley]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar
You're both at fault. Her for bringing it, you for giving permission to let it loose.

Were I in your position, I would've sent her home with it.

I do agree with this, you shouldn't have told her that she could let it loose. You do have responsibility for what happens in your house. You both made poor judgement, but the cat's safety is still her responsibility (she is the owner).

 

[MrK6]

Wow do people blow things out of proportion. She's an idiot, shouldn't have brought the kitten, kitten died. It's called natural selection and the kitten didnt make it. OP, it sucks that you didnt see the kitten, but ultimately it's her fault for not having the sense to protect her pet. Just because you allowed it to be released in your house doesnt make it your responsibility to protect it and care for it. The kitten is still ulitmately owned by her and she was negligent in her monitoring of and care for the kitten. She has no case in court, if you have even a half way decent lawyer, the case is an easy win so she's an idiot if she even tries. If you want to remain friends, offer to buy a new cat if she pays your medical bills. Otherwise, tell her to screw.

 

[redgtxdi]

I did this once as a kid.......(maybe 12 or 13?)

Playing "wiffle ball" acrossed the street and my buddy's cat had kittens. I hit the ball, one of 'em ran (and I mean more like "streaked") under me as I was running to first base. Didn't have a split second to think before.........."CRUNCH"!!!!!!!

Kitten flopper & twitched for a few seconds, then died. No way anybody couldn't done anything about it.

Buddy's dad came out. Consoled me.......(at least my buddy's dad knew it's probably not a whole lotta' fun knowing you just "crunched" a kitten).......and threw it away. No biggie.


IMHO.........kittens are a dime a dozen. Maybe take her down to the nearest pound/humane society & get a kitten there.

You'll be +1 for friendship points and +1 with Bob Barker...LOL!!

Oh and if she doesn't go for that........just let her know that you're genuinely sorry, but you can't be friends with someone who values a kitten more than your friendship!!!!!!!!

 

[imported_Seer]

Just chiming in with another opinion here:

50/50 blame in this case.

1) The girl should not be placing a monetary value on the kitten's life, which was priceless. One should not demand nor expect recompensation for such things.
2) You DID step on it AND say that it was okay for it to roam around.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Seer

1) The girl should not be placing a monetary value on the kitten's life, which was priceless.

As someone who grew up in the third world, it always makes me smile when I read things like this.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: veggz
Backstory: I had invited a whole bunch of people to hang out at my condo, including a certain friend who had a three-month old kitten that she brought along since I suppose she wanted to show it off. Anyway, after the gals had given up admiring the thing she set it loose with my permission. A little while later I was headed down to the kitchen to grab a few more beers, admittedly not really watching where I was going, when I stepped on something soft and warm going down the stairs, stumbling and falling down the stairs headfirst, spraining my ankle.

When I looked up I saw the stupid cat not moving where I had stepped a moment ago and a bit of blood on the carpet. Of course the girl freaked and we rushed the kitten to the vet where it has been since then. The vet says it's highly unlikely the cat will make it through the night.

Now, the girl wants me to pay her (she hasn't said how much) and is majorly pissed off. Honestly I want to say fck her, I broke my ankle and she's just being a bitch, it's not my responsibility she brought her retarded cat in the first place.

What do you guys think?

Update: Clover is dead. The girl just sent me a fax with a picture of the kitten and a message generously strewn with obscenities. I think she is going crazy.

Really, we need to put this story in context. I mean, if you accidentally killed her kid, would you be expected to buy her a new one?

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Seer
Just chiming in with another opinion here:

50/50 blame in this case.

1) The girl should not be placing a monetary value on the kitten's life, which was priceless. One should not demand nor expect recompensation for such things.
2) You DID step on it AND say that it was okay for it to roam around.

She probably put a monetary price on the vet bill she had to pay... Are some of you people awake?

 

[NicePants42]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Seer
Just chiming in with another opinion here:

50/50 blame in this case.

1) The girl should not be placing a monetary value on the kitten's life, which was priceless. One should not demand nor expect recompensation for such things.
2) You DID step on it AND say that it was okay for it to roam around.

She probably put a monetary price on the vet bill she had to pay... Are some of you people awake?

Judging from most of the responses, it wouldn't really matter.

 

[Polish3d]

I don't think you're responsible for the full price of the kitten, if any at all

 

[Accipiter22]

anyone ever read the book 'it's like this cat'? poor clover

Just an unfortunate accident....let the girl calm down a bit OP

 

[skreet]

I find this is a very hard topic to form an opinion on. Is she just demanding large sums of money and swearing at you like an immature btch? Or is she demanding that you buy her a new kitten and give her your deepest apologies?

In the least you do owe her an apology. With a small kitten running around it's your duty (drunk or not) to watch where you're walking.

I don't think she owes you a cent for your ankle, if that were a question. When you walk down stairs, you look for objects blocking the way. Kitten or Non-Kitten objects alike.

I think she's being very immature to fax you a picture of a dead cat and demand money and call you names. Accidents happen. Accidents resulting in death can also happen.

Can we get an age range, out of curiosity? I'd like to know the maturity level of who we're dealing with here OP and girl.

- My 2.5 cents.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: skreet
I find this is a very hard topic to form an opinion on. Is she just demanding large sums of money and swearing at you like an immature btch? Or is she demanding that you buy her a new kitten and give her your deepest apologies?

In the least you do owe her an apology. With a small kitten running around it's your duty (drunk or not) to watch where you're walking.

I don't think she owes you a cent for your ankle, if that were a question. When you walk down stairs, you look for objects blocking the way. Kitten or Non-Kitten objects alike.

I think she's being very immature to fax you a picture of a dead cat and demand money and call you names. Accidents happen. Accidents resulting in death can also happen.

Can we get an age range, out of curiosity? I'd like to know the maturity level of who we're dealing with here OP and girl.

- My 2.5 cents.

As for the OP's maturity level, he called me "son" in a post earlier and accused me of spreading propaganda by posting 3 times in the first 11 pages...

When you kill your friend's cat while drunk after giving permission to have the cat over, do you:

A. Pay half the vet bills and apologize
B. Go to an online forum and try to make it seem like none of it was his fault and refuse to accept any responsibility

I think that speaks boatloads about his maturity level.

 

[thoro86]

poor you and the kitty.... fuc that woman....

 

[dfi]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: dfi
I don't think I have stretched the definition of slavery, have I? Slavery is the condition of being in a position of servitude and bondage as the property of another. If I own a dog that I use to help herd sheeps, and the dog is not allowed the freedom to wonder from the household at leisure, then the relationship I have with the dog fits closely with my definition of slavery. You may love your dog, and your dog may love you as well. Does that change the relationship?

Right or wrong is subjective. Owning a dog as property, whether for companionship or work, is largely accepted in our society. If humans were owned as property by another advanced species, we would certainly consider it to be "wrong". But that advanced species might consider it mundane and acceptable, or "right".

You can knock yourself out with 'your discovery or enlightenment'. Just google 'slavery animal domestication' and have a fun-filled PETA day.

Unfortunately, animals are not looked on as the same as humans. They do have some laws that protect them better, but the penalties are much lower. Also you can easily euthasize a pet, you can't do so with humans.

You can apply slavery to a lot of things.

Ok, forget the word slavery. Too many connotations and history that people can't seem to part with. I wonder if slavery is a term that can only be applied to humans, but that's another discussion.

Simple question, are pets property? I feel like I keep asking this basic question, without a clear response one way or the other. Do you consider your pet to be your companion and your property? If so, does this contradict the original quote that sentient beings are not property?

Btw, what "discovery" or "enlightenment" are you talking about? And I'm not sure how PETA enters the equation; I believe they are ok with people owning pets, yes? I googled your words can the first link was mostly related to animals being used in entertainment, which is something PETA stands against per their website. I didn't see anything about pets though.

Also, I'm not a member of PETA or affiliate with them in any ways. I personally own a pet as well, and love eating meat. I'm not sure where you were going - perhaps trying to discredit my questions by associating me with PETA?

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: dfi

Simple question, are pets property? I feel like I keep asking this basic question, without a clear response one way or the other. Do you consider your pet to be your companion and your property? If so, does this contradict the original quote that sentient beings are not property?

?

It's simple: My pets are not my property. They're my friends, my companions, they're non-human sentients which share my home with me. I take care of them and look after them, because they aren't fully capable of doing it themselves in this world of humans. If somebody harmed or killed them, I would go after that person with the full wrath of somebody who's human loved ones had been harmed or killed.

My pets are not property, which is why I told the state of West Virginia to go fvck itself when they tried to charge me personal property taxes for my dogs.

 

[tylerdustin2008]

Ok well, the girl should have kept her eye on the cat after the OP said she could turn it lose. Its her fault, its like letting the kitten go free in a lion den, then turn around and talk on the phone. Makes no since right? Exactly thats what she did.