So I start treatment for alcoholism next week... *UPDATED! #2* 1/6/08

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Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Where do your friends and family fit in?

they don't know. i keep it a secret.

I think that should be a precursor to whatever treatment you decide to go with. Tell your friends and family that you have a drinking problem and you're getting help for it. Answer any questions they have and keep them informed of your progress.

*EDIT* By the way, I couldn't agree more with the statement that it's not a disease. Cancer is a disease. Parkinsons is a disease. Multiple sclorosis is a disease. You can choose not to drink... people can't choose to have or not to have cancer. Claiming you do not choose to drink is just making an excuse. Until you admit that you choose to drink, you won't "get better."
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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It really doesn't matter if it's a Disease or not. There are various Proven methods to get beyond it. So anyone addicted to Alcohol should seek out the Proven methods with open minds.
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Twofootputt
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
AA
is

bullsh*t
Is this from your personal experience, or just prejudice? In my experience, people who really follow the guidelines of 12 step programs have significant improvement in more than 1/2 the cases.

Ya, I didn't bother to watch his videos. Mainly because I have known way too many people who successfully quit Drinking due to AA.

Trading one crutch for another IMO.

Best of luck OP, I think you are taking a better route. You might understand what you are doing to yourself, but do you understand why? Hopefully the doc will be able to help you understand, if not, make her pick up the tab for the drinks

Doesn't matter. The "crutch" AA provides is a whole lot better than the "crutch" of Alcohol for the Alcoholic.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: KK
how much have you drank today?

went out drinking with friends last night, had someone drive me home (their house), drove home this morning around 8 and drank about 7 shots of vodka to sleep, woke up, had dinner, fairly drunk now, but at home. surprisingly, i never drive drunk.
 

SmoochyTX

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Apr 19, 2003
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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: KK
how much have you drank today?

went out drinking with friends last night, had someone drive me home (their house), drove home this morning around 8 and drank about 7 shots of vodka to sleep, woke up, had dinner, fairly drunk now, but at home. surprisingly, i never drive drunk.
You just don't want to quit drinking. I don't care how many times you write that you do, when it comes down to it you really don't want to stop.

I've dealt with this too many times in my life and I don't believe anybody when they say they want to quit drinking. I believe it when I see it myself and when I can tell they really quit. Yes, I've had friends and family members in the hospital with the DTs. Yes, I've had friends and family members with DWIs. I have a close friend who is on a waiting list for a liver transplant mostly due to his drinking and his hepatitis. But yeah, I've heard all of the excuses.

Fuck the excuses. Alcoholism is not a disease and it pisses me off when people say that. You're just too fucking weak to take care of yourself and, in the end, you'll make everybody around you pay for it. Right now you're telling yourself that it's all fine because nobody close to you knows but chances are they're alcoholics or big-time enablers themselves.

If you want to do it, you'll do it (I hope you do BTW). Until then, shut the fuck up.
 

IGBT

Lifer
Jul 16, 2001
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Twofootputt
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
AA
is

bullsh*t
Is this from your personal experience, or just prejudice? In my experience, people who really follow the guidelines of 12 step programs have significant improvement in more than 1/2 the cases.

Ya, I didn't bother to watch his videos. Mainly because I have known way too many people who successfully quit Drinking due to AA.


..:thumbsup: they save lives.
 

KK

Lifer
Jan 2, 2001
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Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: KK
how much have you drank today?

went out drinking with friends last night, had someone drive me home (their house), drove home this morning around 8 and drank about 7 shots of vodka to sleep, woke up, had dinner, fairly drunk now, but at home. surprisingly, i never drive drunk.
You just don't want to quit drinking. I don't care how many times you write that you do, when it comes down to it you really don't want to stop.

I've dealt with this too many times in my life and I don't believe anybody when they say they want to quit drinking. I believe it when I see it myself and when I can tell they really quit. Yes, I've had friends and family members in the hospital with the DTs. Yes, I've had friends and family members with DWIs. I have a close friend who is on a waiting list for a liver transplant mostly due to his drinking and his hepatitis. But yeah, I've heard all of the excuses.

Fuck the excuses. Alcoholism is not a disease and it pisses me off when people say that. You're just too fucking weak to take care of yourself and, in the end, you'll make everybody around you pay for it. Right now you're telling yourself that it's all fine because nobody close to you knows but chances are they're alcoholics or big-time enablers themselves.

If you want to do it, you'll do it (I hope you do BTW). Until then, shut the fuck up.

I think he should get new friends.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: KK
how much have you drank today?

went out drinking with friends last night, had someone drive me home (their house), drove home this morning around 8 and drank about 7 shots of vodka to sleep, woke up, had dinner, fairly drunk now, but at home. surprisingly, i never drive drunk.
You just don't want to quit drinking. I don't care how many times you write that you do, when it comes down to it you really don't want to stop.

I've dealt with this too many times in my life and I don't believe anybody when they say they want to quit drinking. I believe it when I see it myself and when I can tell they really quit. Yes, I've had friends and family members in the hospital with the DTs. Yes, I've had friends and family members with DWIs. I have a close friend who is on a waiting list for a liver transplant mostly due to his drinking and his hepatitis. But yeah, I've heard all of the excuses.

Fuck the excuses. Alcoholism is not a disease and it pisses me off when people say that. You're just too fucking weak to take care of yourself and, in the end, you'll make everybody around you pay for it. Right now you're telling yourself that it's all fine because nobody close to you knows but chances are they're alcoholics or big-time enablers themselves.

If you want to do it, you'll do it (I hope you do BTW). Until then, shut the fuck up.

i would give $10,000 to quit drinking, but you don't understrand the cravings an alcoholic experiences. it's almost like hearing voices. yes, most of it is my fault, but i can't quit it alone. tried too many times.
 

1sikbITCH

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If you are uncomfortable with the preaching that goes on in AA meetings, try NA. Alcoholics Anonymous in general has an elitism inside the rooms when it comes to certain things such as religion, and I strongly agree that ramming God down your throat is bullshit and an unnecessary part of the process.
In NA they don't care who or what you may view as a higher power, and if someone starts preaching I have seen the whole room tell them to take it elsewhere. I don't believe in any higher power either, but the tools I learned in NA stay with me every day, and I haven't been to a meeting in 7 years.
When I got one year clean I stopped going, because I happen to agree with the poster who said that people transfer their addiction to AA (or NA). It's a cult. However, for most of the people in the program it's the last stop before they die, so they have no choice.
 

SmoochyTX

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Apr 19, 2003
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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: KK
how much have you drank today?

went out drinking with friends last night, had someone drive me home (their house), drove home this morning around 8 and drank about 7 shots of vodka to sleep, woke up, had dinner, fairly drunk now, but at home. surprisingly, i never drive drunk.
You just don't want to quit drinking. I don't care how many times you write that you do, when it comes down to it you really don't want to stop.

I've dealt with this too many times in my life and I don't believe anybody when they say they want to quit drinking. I believe it when I see it myself and when I can tell they really quit. Yes, I've had friends and family members in the hospital with the DTs. Yes, I've had friends and family members with DWIs. I have a close friend who is on a waiting list for a liver transplant mostly due to his drinking and his hepatitis. But yeah, I've heard all of the excuses.

Fuck the excuses. Alcoholism is not a disease and it pisses me off when people say that. You're just too fucking weak to take care of yourself and, in the end, you'll make everybody around you pay for it. Right now you're telling yourself that it's all fine because nobody close to you knows but chances are they're alcoholics or big-time enablers themselves.

If you want to do it, you'll do it (I hope you do BTW). Until then, shut the fuck up.

i would give $10,000 to quit drinking, but you don't understrand the cravings an alcoholic experiences. it's almost like hearing voices. yes, most of it is my fault, but i can't quit it alone. tried too many times.
Fuck you and your excuses. You would admit yourself to an inpatient facility to help with the physical withdrawal because that's what you're really in fear of. It's obvious you're whoring for attention and the kids here satisfy that need for you. If you really felt you needed the level of help you've expressed earlier in this thread, you wouldn't be here now.

That's really what it comes down to.
 

0roo0roo

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Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Twofootputt
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
AA
is

bullsh*t
Is this from your personal experience, or just prejudice? In my experience, people who really follow the guidelines of 12 step programs have significant improvement in more than 1/2 the cases.

Ya, I didn't bother to watch his videos. Mainly because I have known way too many people who successfully quit Drinking due to AA.


..:thumbsup: they save lives.

they probably destroy as many as they "save" since they portray themselves as being effective when in reality if anyone succeeds, they would have probably done fine without the program. the false solution creates failures which are unnecessary.

you won't watch because you'd rather not know.

http://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Dr...-Disease/dp/0520067541
don't forget it wasn't long ago when everyone was yacking on about self esteem and how bullys had low self esteem. countless programs were pushed on children based on this view. now we learn the truth, bullys have high self esteem
 

thomsbrain

Lifer
Dec 4, 2001
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Glad you are trying different options for support. There will NOT be a magic sword that this person can wave to make you not want to drink. But they can help you if you're truly in a place where you want to make positive changes. And they won't judge you or be a bad influence, either. Unfortunately, a lot of 12-step programs are "Find new drinking/drug buddies" programs. But if you found one that was helpful, keep going.

Also remember that for a full-blown alcoholic, you can DIE if you just quit drinking overnight. So make sure your doctor is involved with this process, to make sure you don't get the DT's.

Good luck! Remember, it's a process. Don't expect too much right away. Just keep slugging away at it, and keep trying.
 

thomsbrain

Lifer
Dec 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: KK
how much have you drank today?

went out drinking with friends last night, had someone drive me home (their house), drove home this morning around 8 and drank about 7 shots of vodka to sleep, woke up, had dinner, fairly drunk now, but at home. surprisingly, i never drive drunk.
You just don't want to quit drinking. I don't care how many times you write that you do, when it comes down to it you really don't want to stop.

I've dealt with this too many times in my life and I don't believe anybody when they say they want to quit drinking. I believe it when I see it myself and when I can tell they really quit. Yes, I've had friends and family members in the hospital with the DTs. Yes, I've had friends and family members with DWIs. I have a close friend who is on a waiting list for a liver transplant mostly due to his drinking and his hepatitis. But yeah, I've heard all of the excuses.

Fuck the excuses. Alcoholism is not a disease and it pisses me off when people say that. You're just too fucking weak to take care of yourself and, in the end, you'll make everybody around you pay for it. Right now you're telling yourself that it's all fine because nobKeody close to you knows but chances are they're alcoholics or big-time enablers themselves.

If you want to do it, you'll do it (I hope you do BTW). Until then, shut the fuck up.

i would give $10,000 to quit drinking, but you don't understrand the cravings an alcoholic experiences. it's almost like hearing voices. yes, most of it is my fault, but i can't quit it alone. tried too many times.
Fuck you and your excuses. You would admit yourself to an inpatient facility to help with the physical withdrawal because that's what you're really in fear of. It's obvious you're whoring for attention and the kids here satisfy that need for you. If you really felt you needed the level of help you've expressed earlier in this thread, you wouldn't be here now.

That's really what it comes down to.

Keep your personal anger triggers and your negative attitude to yourself. The OP is seeking treatment for his problem and the best you can come up with is "Fuck you?" Wow. Just... wow.

The OP is not the only guy in this thread who needs a psychologist.

And BTW, your argument is bogus. Regardless of whether or not something is a "disease," that doesn't necessarily make it a choice. You could REALLY want to lift up your house with your bare hands. Maybe you know you'll DIE if you don't lift it up. Maybe your whole FAMILY is trapped underneath, and you'll loose them forever if you don't lift it! But you can't lift it. You are too weak to lift it. Does that mean you "just haven't made up your mind" to lift it yet? No. It means you are not strong enough to lift it. But if you seek out enough support, enough people and enough tools to help out, maybe you could lift it. People lift buildings all the time in construction. That is exactly what the OP is doing: seeking out people to help him lift his house. And you're that son of a bitch neighbor on the sidewalk yelling, "Fuck you for making all that noise while you fix your house!"

Feel good about yourself?
 

thirtythree

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Aug 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Twofootputt
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
AA
is

bullsh*t
Is this from your personal experience, or just prejudice? In my experience, people who really follow the guidelines of 12 step programs have significant improvement in more than 1/2 the cases.

Ya, I didn't bother to watch his videos. Mainly because I have known way too many people who successfully quit Drinking due to AA.


..:thumbsup: they save lives.

they probably destroy as many as they "save" since they portray themselves as being effective when in reality if anyone succeeds, they would have probably done fine without the program. the false solution creates failures which are unnecessary.

you won't watch because you'd rather not know.

http://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Dr...-Disease/dp/0520067541
don't forget it wasn't long ago when everyone was yacking on about self esteem and how bullys had low self esteem. countless programs were pushed on children based on this view. now we learn the truth, bullys have high self esteem
Same issue that came up before... even if the success rates of self-quitters and AA members are the same, it's likely that those in AA are more severe cases or have already tried unsuccessfully to quit on their own. I watched the whole episode, but I hope you don't believe Penn & Teller always present the truth. I was amazed by how much they try to skew things in their favor, but it made more sense when I read about them on Wikipedia: "Penn & Teller are Las Vegas headliners whose act is an amalgam of illusion and comedy." That said, it would of course be good if more research was done on the effectiveness of AA, and I don't think it should be mandated (e.g., there should be secular alternatives). Anyway, I say do what works for you. Why do you feel the need to bash AA?
 

911paramedic

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AA is BS.

It is a religious program, plain and simple. The fact that they changed the wording some years ago to a "spiritual" program doesn't mean a thing. It's all based on God.

"Chapter To The Agnostic"
Not, "Chapter For The Agnostic". Its a chapter that lectures you and says you are doomed if you don't find a higher power. Wait, Higher Power. They always capitalize it as if it should be a proper name, aka God.

AA says you are powerless and doomed without God, plain and simple. I'm glad the courts finally figured that out. (No, I have never been ordered or asked to go to a program by courts, but I see them come in with their papers all the time.)

Yup, I used to drink too much. Why? Anxiety. Why do I go? Because it's a great way for me to deal with my anxiety issues. Where else can I go and sit with a rotating group of strangers to deal with my anxiety problems? Cognitive behavioral therapy at its finest. No, I don't share. No, I don't put money in the basket. (Doesn't church pass a basket?)

If you want to recover from a drinking problem you DO need support, but not in the demeaning way AA provides it. Go to an SOS, Lifering, and AA meeting. The differences:

SOS and Lifering: after the meeting you will feel like you just left a Tony Robbins seminar.
AA: after (and during) the meeting you will want to down a 12pack and slit your wrists.

If you want to quit drinking, great. But find a support group and talk about why you are drinking. Once you figure out why, you will be much closer to finding out how to stop.


*********************** INTERMISSION ***********************

I can say that in the last two+ years I've been going to groups in this area the following facts. (these are meetings with around 50-60 people)

1. Only about 10 have stayed sober. (and of those, they all have at least 10 years of sobriety.)
2. Others have attained many years, only to go out drinking again.
3. Most stay around for less than six months. Some come back, some don't.
4. The ones that preach the "word" the most seem to get drunk the most.
5. AA is run MUCH differently in different areas.

It is not a disease, it is an addiction. Be it physical or mental, it is an addiction. When is the last time you heard somebody say they had "the disease of smoking"? (And, from what I hear, smoking is harder to quit than drinking.)

If I hear "we have an allergy to alcohol" one more time I will scream. Where anybody came up with that I have no idea, but talk about misinformation. Has anybody even picked up a dictionary to see what an allergy is? Obviously not.

To sum up, because I am through with this topic...

If you go to AA don't try arguing any of the above points with them because they are brainwashed. It's like trying to debate the bible with a Christian. (Nothing against Christians, I think everybody has a right to choose their religion, that's not what my rant is about.)

Ask anybody in AA and they will tell you that you cannot succeed without a HIGHER POWER. (If they say it can be a doorknob, my personal favorite that they use, I just laugh. Please... tell me how a doorknob is a higher power?)

/rant OFF

P.S. Did anybody see the episode of Dexter when he was thinking to himself "Oh great, another whining loser complaining about something that has nothing to do with alcohol. How long is this meeting going to go on? When is this meeting over, hell its already been (looks at watch)... oh great, only 5 minutes."

That about sums up AA meetings.

************************ TO THE OP ************************

Find something that works for you, if it's AA I'm not going to talk you out of it. Just be aware that there are other choices. You say you wake up craving a drink, your body is physically addicted to the alcohol right now. Whatever you do, if you are that addicted don't stop without proper medical advice/care.

Good for you if you recognize that its a problem and deciding to do something about it. If there is anything I learned from sitting through meetings, its that it really will ruin your life if you don't deal with it.

I wish you great luck and success.

 

LaBang

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She definitely won't be a magical healer. I also work in alcohol/drug counseling. People's sobriety has for more to do with their personal power than anything I tell them. Good luck!
 

XZeroII

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Jun 30, 2001
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Originally posted by: 911paramedic
AA is BS.

It is a religious program, plain and simple. The fact that they changed the wording some years ago to a "spiritual" program doesn't mean a thing. It's all based on God.

"Chapter To The Agnostic"
Not, "Chapter For The Agnostic". Its a chapter that lectures you and says you are doomed if you don't find a higher power. Wait, Higher Power. They always capitalize it as if it should be a proper name, aka God.

AA says you are powerless and doomed without God, plain and simple. I'm glad the courts finally figured that out. (No, I have never been ordered or asked to go to a program by courts, but I see them come in with their papers all the time.)

Yup, I used to drink too much. Why? Anxiety. Why do I go? Because it's a great way for me to deal with my anxiety issues. Where else can I go and sit with a rotating group of strangers to deal with my anxiety problems? Cognitive behavioral therapy at its finest. No, I don't share. No, I don't put money in the basket. (Doesn't church pass a basket?)

If you want to recover from a drinking problem you DO need support, but not in the demeaning way AA provides it. Go to an SOS, Lifering, and AA meeting. The differences:

SOS and Lifering: after the meeting you will feel like you just left a Tony Robbins seminar.
AA: after (and during) the meeting you will want to down a 12pack and slit your wrists.

If you want to quit drinking, great. But find a support group and talk about why you are drinking. Once you figure out why, you will be much closer to finding out how to stop.


*********************** INTERMISSION ***********************

I can say that in the last two+ years I've been going to groups in this area the following facts. (these are meetings with around 50-60 people)

1. Only about 10 have stayed sober. (and of those, they all have at least 10 years of sobriety.)
2. Others have attained many years, only to go out drinking again.
3. Most stay around for less than six months. Some come back, some don't.
4. The ones that preach the "word" the most seem to get drunk the most.
5. AA is run MUCH differently in different areas.

It is not a disease, it is an addiction. Be it physical or mental, it is an addiction. When is the last time you heard somebody say they had "the disease of smoking"? (And, from what I hear, smoking is harder to quit than drinking.)

If I hear "we have an allergy to alcohol" one more time I will scream. Where anybody came up with that I have no idea, but talk about misinformation. Has anybody even picked up a dictionary to see what an allergy is? Obviously not.

To sum up, because I am through with this topic...

If you go to AA don't try arguing any of the above points with them because they are brainwashed. It's like trying to debate the bible with a Christian. (Nothing against Christians, I think everybody has a right to choose their religion, that's not what my rant is about.)

Ask anybody in AA and they will tell you that you cannot succeed without a HIGHER POWER. (If they say it can be a doorknob, my personal favorite that they use, I just laugh. Please... tell me how a doorknob is a higher power?)

/rant OFF

P.S. Did anybody see the episode of Dexter when he was thinking to himself "Oh great, another whining loser complaining about something that has nothing to do with alcohol. How long is this meeting going to go on? When is this meeting over, hell its already been (looks at watch)... oh great, only 5 minutes."

That about sums up AA meetings.

************************ TO THE OP ************************

Find something that works for you, if it's AA I'm not going to talk you out of it. Just be aware that there are other choices. You say you wake up craving a drink, your body is physically addicted to the alcohol right now. Whatever you do, if you are that addicted don't stop without proper medical advice/care.

Good for you if you recognize that its a problem and deciding to do something about it. If there is anything I learned from sitting through meetings, its that it really will ruin your life if you don't deal with it.

I wish you great luck and success.

Your line, 'AA is BS' is BS itself. Sure, it may be religious, but it works. So what if believing in a doorknob helps IF IT HELPS??!! The goal is to stop drinking and if it works (which is has worked for lots of people), then why is it BS? The quality of these people's lives has improved dramatically and I would say that this is what really matters.
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: SmoochyTX
Originally posted by: JohnCU

i would give $10,000 to quit drinking, but you don't understrand the cravings an alcoholic experiences. it's almost like hearing voices. yes, most of it is my fault, but i can't quit it alone. tried too many times.

Fuck you and your excuses. You would admit yourself to an inpatient facility to help with the physical withdrawal because that's what you're really in fear of. It's obvious you're whoring for attention and the kids here satisfy that need for you. If you really felt you needed the level of help you've expressed earlier in this thread, you wouldn't be here now.

That's really what it comes down to.

Anyone that belittles Alcoholism has no idea what they are talking about.

I've seen many an alcoholic destroy themselves and their loved ones around them.

You have no idea the power of the human mind when it comes to denial of an addiction such as alcohol.

That's why the AA program is really a program of self hypnosis with external support.

It's both a mental and physical problem, a double whammy difficult to keep in check.

That's why once an alcoholic always an alcoholic.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Found one who is nationally and state certified to treat alcoholism but I can't help but wonder what she could possibly say/do to help me stop if waking up every morning feeling like shit and ruining my health isn't enough to stop me? I've read every article there is to read, bought a book to self-help and know what I'm doing to myself, but it isn't enough.

Here's hoping she has the magical answer. If anyone else has it, I'd be willing to listen.

How old are you? How long have you been drinking?
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Found one who is nationally and state certified to treat alcoholism but I can't help but wonder what she could possibly say/do to help me stop if waking up every morning feeling like shit and ruining my health isn't enough to stop me? I've read every article there is to read, bought a book to self-help and know what I'm doing to myself, but it isn't enough.

Here's hoping she has the magical answer. If anyone else has it, I'd be willing to listen.

How old are you? How long have you been drinking?

23, 2 years but not every night (well 4 times a week) until last october
 

skyking

Lifer
Nov 21, 2001
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Inpatient, outpatient, counseling, AA, NA all have one thing in common. Any successes or failures come from within the individual.
I quit 17 years ago on my own, without any programs or counseling. I don't know how to explain it other than that "I was ready".
I continued to go to the bar on occaision, and on more than one visit I had a drink "appear" in front of me, purchased by one of my "friends". Those drinks all got poured out, but friends like that won't help you. They don't want to lose a drinking buddy.
Getting new, more sober or less compulsive or more compassionate friends is not easy but battling it out alone is too tough, IMO. That's where programs like AA and NA do help out, there are a few diamonds in the rough at those meetings, people who can be real friends and not judgemental assholes.
If you are not ready you are kidding yourself. When you are ready, ditch the drinking buddies, quit cold turkey and get the help you need. Quit whining about the DTs and get them over with. They will pass.
IF you can't get past the DT's on your own, inpatient is the only answer.
 

db

Lifer
Dec 6, 1999
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Opinions are like @ssholes--everyone's got one. Everybody with a different opinion can't be right. In the end, you just need to do it.
If you *really* want to quit, you will find a way, and you *will* quit. Best of luck to you.
Eventually, it would be good if you dealt with the reason why you drank so much. That may happen sooner, later or never.
But the main thing is to quit drinking.
 
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