Originally posted by: Zenoth
Originally posted by: ibex333
Ahh.. Bloody Runs with Frozen Orb sorc..... I remember those.
Problem with D2 is that eventually it became impossible to "really" play or enjoy the game without botting. I never use bots but that game forced me to do it.
I was running the hammerdin bot almost 24/7 just to stay competitive, and yet I was still getting owned and called a "gay assed n00b" in PvP by 13 year olds (mind you I was doing a good share of owning myself). I just couldn't get "leet" enough no matter how hard I tried. lo
That's the problem.
Some people... no, wait, I mean lots of people can't sustain challenge for too long and they collapse on the weight of temptation to Bot. If everyone in the D2 community could just play the game as it was freakin' meant to be played the economy wouldn't be so fucked up and we wouldn't need D2JSP to trade "properly" and one guy out there wouldn't make hundreds of dollars per month from a video game by hosting such a web-site from players who still can't play legitimately and have to give the guy donations.
And then there's people who always have to follow the trends and who alway want to be competitive, who can never or seemingly can't just play for their own amusement without having to be competitive against others. As if D2 was a race of some sort. And then there's susceptible people who are being called all those immature names by equally immature players without any more arguments or opinions, and when they're being called all those bad names and words they think "alright let's try to be l33t and I'll be able to shut their stupid mouths up" and the cycle continues, nourishing those "13 years-old"'s immaturity even more and giving them an actual purpose to be dumb... even if they don't realize it themselves because their brain can't possibly understand it.
All that and more is why I decided to almost stop playing D2. I just play from time to time in password'ed games just to keep my account alive or to help some players around when I feel like it. But I wouldn't ever find the reason nor the will to "come back" and play regularly with such an incompetent community. I always thought that D2's community had scrambled that much not because of the updates from Blizzard but simply because there's still players around who think like you do ibex333, not to be rude, but I'm trying to stay honest here.
1) D2 is "too hard" = I'm forced to Bot? C'mon, that's probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. With such a mentality you could say that earning your money with your job was too hard so you were forced to steal it, or that winning a race with 'x' car is too tough so let's "modify" the car to make it easier. And please define what "really play" means? Isn't trying your best to kill Normal Diablo by yourself and dying a couple of times in the process due to a good challenge NOT playing for "real"? And botting and finding the best item your level can wear IS playing "for real" then? Please, explain me.
2) Trying to be "leet enough"? Why? Why can't you just find items that you like without having to make sure that you look or "are" leet enough? I never got that, I don't know, maybe I am the blind, the mind-restrained or the stupid guy here who knows, let me know what you think if you want. I just don't get it.
Anyway...
I still like D2, it's in my top 5 multi-players list since years, but that's only because it's addicting, however I certainly don't like it as much as before. You know there's a thread around here at the PC Games forums with a subject relating to us players being "sissies" in games, that we can't sustain too much challenge in gaming and that the developers tend to follow that trend and in turn seem to make easier "fast-food" games that not only last only 10 hours long or so but are ones of the easiest games you'd ever played in your life. Well today I'm starting to really understand why it happens, and that indeed it does happen even though I didn't agree with that at first glance. There's indeed people around who don't LIKE challenge or just can't smell it or can't touch it with a thousand kilometer long stick, that's a problem in gaming overall and not just on the PC platform.
Take this post as you want, ibex333, but not only is it meant for you, but for any others with the same mentality. I don't understand it and I'd really like to. Because either I am the one here who's just dumb and can't understand and everyone else is right, or you've got to change your way of seeing challenge in gaming for your own amusement's sake. If you really "have to" Bot in D2 because you "can't play it for real" then you need to understand that it fucks up everything for everyone else. It affects the economy, and that affects actual game-play.
*2 cents given*