So, I was sitting there bored last night...

[Jeeebus]

lol thought this was funny... was just in a duel game where 4 guys in the same clan teamed up against me. results didn't go so well for them...

Hi, is this your ear?

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: ibex333
Ahh.. Bloody Runs with Frozen Orb sorc..... I remember those.

Problem with D2 is that eventually it became impossible to "really" play or enjoy the game without botting. I never use bots but that game forced me to do it.
I was running the hammerdin bot almost 24/7 just to stay competitive, and yet I was still getting owned and called a "gay assed n00b" in PvP by 13 year olds (mind you I was doing a good share of owning myself). I just couldn't get "leet" enough no matter how hard I tried. lo

That's the problem.

Some people... no, wait, I mean lots of people can't sustain challenge for too long and they collapse on the weight of temptation to Bot. If everyone in the D2 community could just play the game as it was freakin' meant to be played the economy wouldn't be so fucked up and we wouldn't need D2JSP to trade "properly" and one guy out there wouldn't make hundreds of dollars per month from a video game by hosting such a web-site from players who still can't play legitimately and have to give the guy donations.

And then there's people who always have to follow the trends and who alway want to be competitive, who can never or seemingly can't just play for their own amusement without having to be competitive against others. As if D2 was a race of some sort. And then there's susceptible people who are being called all those immature names by equally immature players without any more arguments or opinions, and when they're being called all those bad names and words they think "alright let's try to be l33t and I'll be able to shut their stupid mouths up" and the cycle continues, nourishing those "13 years-old"'s immaturity even more and giving them an actual purpose to be dumb... even if they don't realize it themselves because their brain can't possibly understand it.

All that and more is why I decided to almost stop playing D2. I just play from time to time in password'ed games just to keep my account alive or to help some players around when I feel like it. But I wouldn't ever find the reason nor the will to "come back" and play regularly with such an incompetent community. I always thought that D2's community had scrambled that much not because of the updates from Blizzard but simply because there's still players around who think like you do ibex333, not to be rude, but I'm trying to stay honest here.

1) D2 is "too hard" = I'm forced to Bot? C'mon, that's probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. With such a mentality you could say that earning your money with your job was too hard so you were forced to steal it, or that winning a race with 'x' car is too tough so let's "modify" the car to make it easier. And please define what "really play" means? Isn't trying your best to kill Normal Diablo by yourself and dying a couple of times in the process due to a good challenge NOT playing for "real"? And botting and finding the best item your level can wear IS playing "for real" then? Please, explain me.

2) Trying to be "leet enough"? Why? Why can't you just find items that you like without having to make sure that you look or "are" leet enough? I never got that, I don't know, maybe I am the blind, the mind-restrained or the stupid guy here who knows, let me know what you think if you want. I just don't get it.

Anyway...

I still like D2, it's in my top 5 multi-players list since years, but that's only because it's addicting, however I certainly don't like it as much as before. You know there's a thread around here at the PC Games forums with a subject relating to us players being "sissies" in games, that we can't sustain too much challenge in gaming and that the developers tend to follow that trend and in turn seem to make easier "fast-food" games that not only last only 10 hours long or so but are ones of the easiest games you'd ever played in your life. Well today I'm starting to really understand why it happens, and that indeed it does happen even though I didn't agree with that at first glance. There's indeed people around who don't LIKE challenge or just can't smell it or can't touch it with a thousand kilometer long stick, that's a problem in gaming overall and not just on the PC platform.

Take this post as you want, ibex333, but not only is it meant for you, but for any others with the same mentality. I don't understand it and I'd really like to. Because either I am the one here who's just dumb and can't understand and everyone else is right, or you've got to change your way of seeing challenge in gaming for your own amusement's sake. If you really "have to" Bot in D2 because you "can't play it for real" then you need to understand that it fucks up everything for everyone else. It affects the economy, and that affects actual game-play.

*2 cents given*

 

[Jeeebus]

Not to jump to anyone's defense, but I did want to ask a question, Zenoth. Throughout your years of playing, have you ever used an enigma? Any other runeword that required runes greater than Vex? If not, then I say bravo at staying legit to the game as it was meant to be played. But if you have, I think you might be throwing some large rocks at glass walls in your criticisms of ibex (or botting generally).

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
Not to jump to anyone's defense, but I did want to ask a question, Zenoth. Throughout your years of playing, have you ever used an enigma? Any other runeword that required runes greater than Vex? If not, then I say bravo at staying legit to the game as it was meant to be played. But if you have, I think you might be throwing some large rocks at glass walls in your criticisms of ibex (or botting generally).

My very best character right now, a level 94 Barbarian which I've been leveling since the current Season started years ago (two years I think) has a single Runewrod, and it is a Chains of Honor, a Balrog Skin. I found the armor myself, I socketed it myself, and I bought the Ber Rune, the highest one required for it on D2JSP like most people do because they can barely trade in-game with in-game items anymore, unless it's Rune-for-Rune, which I obviously didn't have. The Dol Rune, Ist Rune and Um Rune were all found in a period of around a year.

So yes, I played legitimately, doing all magic find runs myself to find those seemingly "impossible to find" Runes in a period of almost a year to get myself a single Runeword. I found ALL of my other items, namely Shako, Azurewrath, Stormshield, Gore Riders, Raven Frost and so on. I have ONE main character and seven Mules. All the mules have some "decent" items, most of them are socketables, some of them are Sets, some Uniques, I got NO other Runewords for trade. And the best Rune I got for trade is a single Lum Rune.

I DID Bot during the 1.09 days, for exactly ONE week. I realized everything I typed in my complaint post above, and I allowed myself to post what I typed exactly because I KNOW what I'm talking about because I lived it, I experienced it and I contributed to fuck up the economy back then. It took me a whole week to understand it, and then I decided to stop botting and accept the challenge I was having, to accept the fact that I kept dying on my solo Baal Runs in Hell against those pesky Stygian Dolls and Oblivion Knights. Today I applaud myself for having played legitimately for almost all play sessions I've played since I own and know this game, except for that single debauched week.

Basically I'm just expressing my frustration concerning the ones responsible about why so many legitimate players quit the game, and why the community today in D2 is mostly comprised of immature arrogants and so called "l33t" players who probably stole $20 to their moms to donate it to nJaguar for some Forum Gold so they could finally get their Enigma or Faith Bow to "own" in PvP games.

 

[Jeeebus]

but you understand that while you say you play "legitimately," that Ber rune you bought was either botted or duped, correct? Or perhaps it was the 1:274,500 ber rune that dropped legitimately that someone just happened to decide to sell on jsp (and I will confess, in my 5 years or so of playing, I did find an ohm rune once... and nearly shit myself when it dropped in the chaos sanctuary).

All I'm saying is that if any of us truly played legitimately, you wouldn't have your coh and I wouldn't have my enigma... those runes just don't drop in game. I think it's great that you otherwise play legitimately, but buying botted/duped runes is no better than botting/duping them yourself.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
but you understand that while you say you play "legitimately," that Ber rune you bought was either botted or duped, correct? Or perhaps it was the 1:274,500 ber rune that dropped legitimately that someone just happened to decide to sell on jsp (and I will confess, in my 5 years or so of playing, I did find an ohm rune once... and nearly shit myself when it dropped in the chaos sanctuary).

All I'm saying is that if any of us truly played legitimately, you wouldn't have your coh and I wouldn't have my enigma... those runes just don't drop in game. I think it's great that you otherwise play legitimately, but buying botted/duped runes is no better than botting/duping them yourself.

You have a good point, but I can't possibly feel "bad" nor guilty about that. Simply because the wealth I traded for that Ber Rune was entirely found by me. A mix of unique, unidentified items I found in a very long period, around four or five months so I could finally buy a Ber Rune. The thing is I have no proof that it was duplicated (or has been found thanks to Bots), and no proof that it might have been a legit Rune. I played too much for not having the chance to experience at least one Runeword in my entire D2 career while all those botters have so many that they think they're just weak items.

I mean what's so bad about finding all my wealth and using part of that to trade for an item which I can't possibly know if it was dupped or not? Ok, I am not naive, I know that around 90% of all the currency (Runes, SoJs) is duplicated (or botted), so the chances that the Ber Rune was found by those "artificial" means is indeed high. But, as I said, I traded a pair of arms and legs for that thing. I felt that it was a legit trade. And I'm not here defending myself for buying that Ber Rune because I feel that there's nothing to defend. If all the community would play for a year or two like I did to build up my Lvl 94 Barbarian with his single Runeword item on the entire account of eight characters I think that they would have all appreciated the game more.

What you have to understand is that I am a legit player inside an illegitimate economy. I depend on that same economy. What do you expect me to do exactly? I trade the items I find myself for items I need. Those items can some times be duplicates or might have been found by a Bot, ok... but what can I do about it? I myself do not want to PLAY with a Bot, but being able to get my Chains of Honor possibly because there are Bots around is indeed ironic but what should I do then? Should I keep playing for a year and trade my Shakos and Pul Runes for a better Shako and a P-Topaz in it? When you play for a year you accumulate so much and you've died so much for that wealth that you expect to get something decent in return, right?

I cannot magically escape that economy. It's screwed up right now but it's been like that since before 1.10, since before 1.09 and 1.08. It's been like that since the very first dup-hack was released, and then all Hell broke loose to say the least. The only thing I myself could do and AM doing right now to avoid "supporting" the Bots is to stop playing Diablo II. And that's what I've almost achieved. I play only to keep my account alive. And to be honest, outside of addiction I don't know what exactly I'm doing that. Because I'm here complaining about botters and the ruined economy, but I also contradict myself by saying that I still like Diablo II. Well the thing is I like Diablo II's context, world, universe, atmosphere, all the ideas behind it, the fantasy behind it, the instruction manuals and all those nice background stories about each classes and what the Three Prime Evils are, did and will be doing, I like the story, I like the music and the game-play concepts of Diablo II. But I don't like its on-line economy, and because playing Diablo II off-line is very anti-climatic and I'd dare saying useless I feel no reasons to let myself be deprived of the last amount of fun I can get out of the money I spent to buy this game.

All this subject can come back to my face and punch me. I can have good points, but then people will always come back and try to discredit my mentality about all this and I have no problems with that, it's just going to happen and I know it. The thing is I am 10% wrong and 90% right. I made a mistake back then to even try botting, I deeply regret it even to this day. But if today I have to trade on JSP because trading in-game is a psychological soar and can be depressive I'd rather take my legit wealth and naively trade for an item which I'd keep thinking is also legit than entirely quiting D2, because if I quit D2 permanently it'll be because of all of which I complained about, and if I quit because of that, for me, it would be granting victory to the botters, and I won't ever let that happen. I will quit Diablo II only when Blizzard themselves turn the switch off for its on-line life span's end.

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
but you understand that while you say you play "legitimately," that Ber rune you bought was either botted or duped, correct? Or perhaps it was the 1:274,500 ber rune that dropped legitimately that someone just happened to decide to sell on jsp (and I will confess, in my 5 years or so of playing, I did find an ohm rune once... and nearly shit myself when it dropped in the chaos sanctuary).

All I'm saying is that if any of us truly played legitimately, you wouldn't have your coh and I wouldn't have my enigma... those runes just don't drop in game. I think it's great that you otherwise play legitimately, but buying botted/duped runes is no better than botting/duping them yourself.

Back in 1.09 I found one Lo rune in the secret cow level, that was the highest I ever found.

When I started playing (right before 1.09 came out) I remember people paying loads of SoJ's (which was the currency when I played, not these durn runes) for simple items like the Earthshaker Battle Hammer and such. Then it sorta balanced out and people traded items for items (how I liked it). Then EVERYONE started duping and the economy went to hell.

I'm sorta torn in between the two arguements. On one hand I'll agree, all the botting/duping has royally screwed up the economy in game. I actually found a Windforce on my own back in 1.09. I was so stoked I couldn't believe it. I made a zon, used it, loved it. Then I got Pindlebot and found 2 of 'em in a week...kind of ruined the experience for me...

There's no excitement finding great items anymore because they're not worth anything...

On the flip side there's the idea (unfortunately) that if you don't join in you get left behind. Now I know this is a sell out mentality but for people like duelers you pretty much have to.

So yeah, in a perfect world there would be no bots or duping but it is what it is and until Blizz figured it out for Diablo 3 I'll probably join in if I have to.

Course, in a truly perfect world we'd still be playing 1.09 and I could have pally zealot duels ^^

 

[Jeeebus]

In a perfect world, Blizz would have never come out with the runewords that it did in 1.10 (at least, that's where I think all the high lvl enigma type runewords came out), which truly sent the economy reeling. Now there's runewords that require 3-4 ultra high runes, the likes of which Blizz has to know NOBODY could ever assemble legitimately. I think if we took everyone who has posted in this thread, and combined our legitimate rune finds, we might be able to put together one enigma... maybe.

Of course, in a perfect world, I would have won the $166 million Mega Millions last night and not be stuck at work today debating the morality of Diablo 2. Now instead I have to imagine myself raining down blizz on my boss' head to get me through the day.

In other news, the D2 "story," as told in the cutscenes, is still top notch to this day. Probably my favorite cutscenes from any game to date.

 

[Kabob]

Admit it, even if you won the mega millions you'd still be sitting there debating us

You hit the nail on the head, the super rune words ruined the game. In 1.09 "Fury" was what 90% of PvP Zealots used. It was fantastic, bit it wasn't so overpowered that it made other weapons obsolete. One of my favorite things to do was to grab a vanilla unsocketed Baranar's Star and smash people with it (to which everyone said "wtf mate?") The only teleporting character was the sorceress. Paladins were the only character with auras, and Damage Reduction % was the key to survival. Windforce was the bow to have (other than the buggy "Ith" and "Zephyr" bows). And you could afford to put extra stat points into strength or energy or whatever.

1.10 (IMHO) made the game alot less fun...

 

[CU]

What if you guys just played / traded within a guild that didn't dub. Back in Diablo 1's time I belong to the Knights of Justice guild. We passworded all or games and only played with each other. The passwords changed weekly I think. If anyone was caught cheating they were put before the counsel and dealt with.

 

[AllGamer]

Well i finally got it installed last night, and played a few solo rounds, to get back the hang of it

So i'll probably be creating a new character in US EAST later tonight

Still debating if i want to go Druid, Necro, or Mage

the only reason i might want the Mage is for the teleport,

Necro and Druid are obvious why they are simply fun to play

However Druids are stronger than Necros, when it comes to 1on1 with the Bosses

 

[Kabob]

When you make an account add me to your biddies list. My d2 account is kabob983.

Heck, I might make a new char with you and we can lvl together ^^

 

[Kabob]

Ok, what is it about the Venom Ward breast plate? It has dropped in probably 1/3 of my MF runs thus far. I keep dropping them off in the "free stuff" games, I think they're getting sick of them too though. That and the Angelic ring/ammy.

I hate that, I'll find 10 of something I don't want that's a higher "item level" than something that I do want (which I'll never see...)

 

[Dumac]

So after viewing this thread, I boot up D2 just for giggles. However, lo and behold, somehow my characters are still there!

My account name is dumac210, so hit me up. I probably have some gear that you can use.

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: Dumac
So after viewing this thread, I boot up D2 just for giggles. However, lo and behold, somehow my characters are still there!

My account name is dumac210, so hit me up. I probably have some gear that you can use.

ladder or no, and what realm??

feel free to add me, kabob983

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: AllGamer
Well i finally got it installed last night, and played a few solo rounds, to get back the hang of it

So i'll probably be creating a new character in US EAST later tonight

Still debating if i want to go Druid, Necro, or Mage

the only reason i might want the Mage is for the teleport,

Necro and Druid are obvious why they are simply fun to play

However Druids are stronger than Necros, when it comes to 1on1 with the Bosses

If you want just PM me and I'll see what I can do to hook you up a little. I don't have much left for a Druid or Necro I believe but the reason why I want to do this is because it's one of the last reason I believe is worth it to resume playing D2, namely to help others when I can. I did it for Kabob983 and I'm ready to do it for you and perhaps others, as long as I have items left to give away or time to help with Quests.

Feel free to contact me, or just add me to your friends list, my account name is Lyrandori.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: Dumac
So after viewing this thread, I boot up D2 just for giggles. However, lo and behold, somehow my characters are still there!

My account name is dumac210, so hit me up. I probably have some gear that you can use.

ladder or no, and what realm??

feel free to add me, kabob983

My characters, when they were made, were ladder, but I believe they aren't any more.

My realm is USEast.

 

[AllGamer]

LOL thanks for the offer, but i think i'll be fine.

But on those Baal Runs, Cow Runs, and Diablo Runs, you can find anything you want

i sometimes spend time to loot the good stuff, before i join the next run

 

[Kabob]

What's your account name AllGamer??

 

[ibex333]

Originally posted by: Zenoth

Originally posted by: ibex333
Ahh.. Bloody Runs with Frozen Orb sorc..... I remember those.

Problem with D2 is that eventually it became impossible to "really" play or enjoy the game without botting. I never use bots but that game forced me to do it.
I was running the hammerdin bot almost 24/7 just to stay competitive, and yet I was still getting owned and called a "gay assed n00b" in PvP by 13 year olds (mind you I was doing a good share of owning myself). I just couldn't get "leet" enough no matter how hard I tried. lo

That's the problem.

Some people... no, wait, I mean lots of people can't sustain challenge for too long and they collapse on the weight of temptation to Bot. If everyone in the D2 community could just play the game as it was freakin' meant to be played the economy wouldn't be so fucked up and we wouldn't need D2JSP to trade "properly" and one guy out there wouldn't make hundreds of dollars per month from a video game by hosting such a web-site from players who still can't play legitimately and have to give the guy donations.

And then there's people who always have to follow the trends and who alway want to be competitive, who can never or seemingly can't just play for their own amusement without having to be competitive against others. As if D2 was a race of some sort. And then there's susceptible people who are being called all those immature names by equally immature players without any more arguments or opinions, and when they're being called all those bad names and words they think "alright let's try to be l33t and I'll be able to shut their stupid mouths up" and the cycle continues, nourishing those "13 years-old"'s immaturity even more and giving them an actual purpose to be dumb... even if they don't realize it themselves because their brain can't possibly understand it.

All that and more is why I decided to almost stop playing D2. I just play from time to time in password'ed games just to keep my account alive or to help some players around when I feel like it. But I wouldn't ever find the reason nor the will to "come back" and play regularly with such an incompetent community. I always thought that D2's community had scrambled that much not because of the updates from Blizzard but simply because there's still players around who think like you do ibex333, not to be rude, but I'm trying to stay honest here.

1) D2 is "too hard" = I'm forced to Bot? C'mon, that's probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. With such a mentality you could say that earning your money with your job was too hard so you were forced to steal it, or that winning a race with 'x' car is too tough so let's "modify" the car to make it easier. And please define what "really play" means? Isn't trying your best to kill Normal Diablo by yourself and dying a couple of times in the process due to a good challenge NOT playing for "real"? And botting and finding the best item your level can wear IS playing "for real" then? Please, explain me.

2) Trying to be "leet enough"? Why? Why can't you just find items that you like without having to make sure that you look or "are" leet enough? I never got that, I don't know, maybe I am the blind, the mind-restrained or the stupid guy here who knows, let me know what you think if you want. I just don't get it.

Anyway...

I still like D2, it's in my top 5 multi-players list since years, but that's only because it's addicting, however I certainly don't like it as much as before. You know there's a thread around here at the PC Games forums with a subject relating to us players being "sissies" in games, that we can't sustain too much challenge in gaming and that the developers tend to follow that trend and in turn seem to make easier "fast-food" games that not only last only 10 hours long or so but are ones of the easiest games you'd ever played in your life. Well today I'm starting to really understand why it happens, and that indeed it does happen even though I didn't agree with that at first glance. There's indeed people around who don't LIKE challenge or just can't smell it or can't touch it with a thousand kilometer long stick, that's a problem in gaming overall and not just on the PC platform.

Take this post as you want, ibex333, but not only is it meant for you, but for any others with the same mentality. I don't understand it and I'd really like to. Because either I am the one here who's just dumb and can't understand and everyone else is right, or you've got to change your way of seeing challenge in gaming for your own amusement's sake. If you really "have to" Bot in D2 because you "can't play it for real" then you need to understand that it fucks up everything for everyone else. It affects the economy, and that affects actual game-play.

*2 cents given*

You say these things because you clearly didn't play D2 long enough. You don't know what you're talking about.

I played this game the way it was intended to be played for years. Never even thought of botting or anything like that. At some point I noticed that just about everyone was cheating in different ways.
If you knew anything about Diablo2, you'd know that items meant a lot more than skill. Items + Skill would always beat skill.
People who had better items leveled faster, and destroyed everyone in PvP. When I was forced into cheating, I already beat the game on all difficulty levels with almost every character fair in square. There was nothing else to do except hoarding items, doing PvP, and try to achieve greater "leetness". This might sound dumb, but it was fun! I was a teen with lots of free time after school, and nothing better to do due to poor health - give me a break. Who are you to judge me?! lol

Let me ask you something.. Why do you ride in your car? Why don't you walk? Why do you take the easy way out when you need to get from point A to point B? Walking would make your legs stronger, and it would train your body. You'd notice more things along the way too! But no... You choose to drive!
Is it because you don't want to waste hours, days, months to get somewhere by walking when others do it much faster and easier? You want to save time, so you can spend it on other things in life no? Why do you take the elevator instead of the stairs? Why do you choose to "cheat"? You might say that this is different from what we are discussing here, but it's not! It is exactly the same thing. People tend to take the easy way out when one is available. Not necessarily because whatever they were doing was too hard, but because taking the easy way is more convenient for whatever reason.

I enjoy washing dishes. I think it's meditative. I think that everyone should do the same. But some people think it's boring and tedious - they use the dishwasher. They automate the process. Those damn "cheaters"!

Instead of blaming me for using a bot in D2, blame those who created these bots. Blame those who made them available to everyone. Blame Blizzard for making it possible to cheat, and ignoring cheaters, instead of doing something about them. I would be more then happy to keep playing the game the way it was intended, but I was forced into cheating, same way you were forced into using the conveniences of modern society instead of doing everything yourself the hard way, however more beneficial or fun it could have been to you in the long run.

I wanted to continue to prove my point further, but some people here already did it much better than me.

 

[CottonRabbit]

I don't think botting hurt the D2 community at all. Rampant duping was around in D2 since at least 1.08 (I don't remember duping before the xpack since I gambled all of my SOJ's back then, but it was probably there already). Thus, even in the heyday of D2, the economy was based off of dupes.

Ultimately, bots contribute far less to the economy than dupes. In all my hours of botting, the highest rune I've ever found is a Lo and I've never found a couple top tier mlvl items such as CoA. On the other hand, zods worth no more than mal and ever other smiter wears CoA. Before jsp bot and mmbot, high runes were still extremely common due to dupes, even though knowledge of dupe techniques are a far more closely guarded secret than bots.

Before I started botting, I never felt particularly weak in duels even if my gear wasn't amazing. To this day I have not used D2jsp to trade, it's not that hard to make a game asking for what you want and just wait a bit.

The biggest problem with D2 nowadays isn't the inflated economy, but the increasing use of hacks beyond map hack. You really need to be extremely good skill, build, and equipment wise to duel against TMC or Gmod without hacks. Even if you bot the gear, having poor aim or slow reaction time will still kill you against a druid who can teleport perfectly on top of you from two screens away. More and more, you'll find duel games where the majority of players use at least one exploit. The economy changes and players can adapt, but hacks change the gameplay mechanics itself and kill the experience for other players too.

 

[Zenoth]

ibex333, I am judging you and others who did that because I paid for that game, and the botters who ruined the economy affected the gameplay forcing me to partially quit the game. It's very simple to understand. I am judging you because your actions affected me directly and not just indirectly. And being "forced" into botting is a concept I cannot understand. I myself chose to Bot for a week. I wasn't forced to do it, no guns against my head. Why do you say "forced"? Who obliged you? Was it a question of life or death?

Everything you said just proved my points anyway. Having nothing else to achieve than greater "leetness" due to you having botting the heck out of the whole game finding that actually fun is exactly what I am referring to, players who see this game like something they can control themselves. I won't blame Blizzards for doing "nothing" against cheaters, they've done something anyway, banning thousands of accounts and removing White items and making patch 1.10 greatly helped the cause.

No, I will blame players who are too arrogant and pretentious and think they can do anything and go beyond the Terms and Rules set by Blizzard to ensure the best of the community and a fair game-play for everyone, however tough it can be, however long it can take to legitimately end up with just a single Runeword. Why is it that it's always the developers who have to play police? Why is it that players themselves can't take their responsibilities and act with maturity? Will you live with your parents all your life so they can police you? Will you fly by your own wings one day or another?

If you and the other botters' actions would NOT have affected the game-play for all others around I wouldn't be here debating and complaining and defending points. There would be no reasons to because usually I don't care about things that don't affect me, unless it's for a great social cause. You botted, you contributed to ruin the game for me, I was forced not to Bot but to partially quit the game thanks to your actions. I myself made those actions and that's exactly why I stopped under a week, because I realized that not only I was breaking the Blizzard TOS but that I was contributing to ruin the damn thing for others who patiently play and get their wealth the hard way, my deepest respect to them because I know how it is.

We could drag this for ages ibex333, you can have good points and I can, but don't come here pretending that I don't know what I'm talking about because you were the mindless teen thinking that cheating was fun. You had a TOS to respect and you didn't. I didn't either but the different between you and me is that I understood it and I stopped, simply because I thought about the others, and not just myself. And if in your book playing Diablo II since Q1 2001 isn't "long enough" as you call it I don't know what long enough is for you, unfortunately I wouldn't have been able to play it before it was released just to please you Mr. obviousness.

 

[Kabob]

Heh, I was doing a hell Baal run with some guy using a bot. We had a party of 5, killed all the minions, all but the bot and I left. Killed Baal and apparently his inventory was full because Baal dropped Titan's Revenge, Skullders Ire, and a Baranar's Star. He tried to picked one up and instantly dropped it (I'm assuming full inventory) and left.

Sad that 1 Baal run gave me better drops than all my NM mf runs...

 

[Cellulose]

Is it possible to change the cd key once the game has been installed?

For example, I would like to use a non-online cd key for a little while until my online cd key arrives. Is it possible to change to the valid one while keeping my characters?

Thanks.

 

[Kabob]

You can uninstall/reinstall I suppose. If you're referring to single player characters I believe you can just save the folder they're in (I think that's how it works).