So i went to the APPLE store. :(

[frank84]

GREAT THREAD!!! I LOVE IT!!
hahahaha

eh, if you dont like mac, why care if someone else buys it?
let the people who loves mac, buy mac
let the people who likes to stay with pc, stay with pc

oh, and the answer to the original question.
i have no answer, i dont own a mac or researched enough to know

 

[inveterate]

Mac SUX, i like their monitor, but their lappys are overpriced and don't do much. PC FTW

 

[fixxxer0]

this thread isnt locked yet is it?


tyler! ..... yo lets go beat up some MAC G# owners and take thier lunch money to show them PC is better

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

Originally posted by: preslove
Who the hell on this board is so stupid that they ask retail employees who don't earn commission advice on computer hardware? You should be at least as knowledgeable as the the assistant manager.

No commission = no in-depth knowledge.

OH REALLY?! I work at Staples (nary a commission as the store tech, :laugh: ) and would you care to quiz me to my no in-depth knowledge of computers? Your broad generalizations and stereotypes display an ignorance nearly as ignominous as the OP.

Yeah baby big words = big ep*nis brain and self-grandizing ego boosting bombast that smacks of a diatribe worthy of Hamlet at his most self absorbed.

I can talk about such huge complex :roll: constructs such as inclusive versus exclusive L2 cache and single versus dual versus quad core for the average consumer! I can help a customer determine their current verus future needs when it comes to a computer and even warn them their 300 watt PSU with 20 amps on the 12v rail won't cut it if they decide to drop a G80 bomb into the PCI-ex 16x slot down the road to supplant their 6150 Nvidia integrated graphics. Hell, I can even break down the roughly 3-5% boost in performance one gets going from single to dual channel on the AMD 939 chips. Or the additional 2-5% boost going to 940 DDR2 on the AMD chips. I can even help explain to the average Jane/Joe why the the lower frequency clocked AMD and Intel chips are faster than the previous Prescotts. Imagine that. :laugh:

Oh wait, I have no in-depth knowledge. My bad.

OP: The reason you are getting toasted is because you are demonstrating a closed mind that is unwilling to separate the personal attacks from the information being presented. Instead of getting defensive and using posturing and fingers in the ears try and examine what the posters are attempting to convey to you. If you think Apple puts "secret programs" in their OS's to get rid of viruses (why in the name of God and Jobs would they not market it :roll: ) then you really should reexamine your belief about your level of knowledge when it comes to computers.

:roll: I clearly was referring to retail sales employees. Of course a "store tech" will know a lot about computers. That kid in the blue shirt at best buy, however, is clueless.

Your rant is weak, man.

Screw you and your generalizations. I work at Best Buy Home Theatre as a regular blue-shirt guy, and I know a whole lot about TV's, HDTV, computers, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Sure, a lot of BB guys may not know a lot, but that isnt all of us.

While you may be a sales rep that has knowledge on your specific area, it still holds true the vast majority do not. It's through none fault of the employees, but the management themselves. When you pay a person $8-$10, do you really expect them to be experts in their sales department?

Hell, I was an associate at Home Depot, and you wouldn't believe some of the absolutely wrong advice some of my co-workers would give to customers. Most people in retail do not have the knowledge required to give advice.

Throughout the past 7 years, friends and family have always come to me before they finalize a purchase on anything PC related. I couldn't tell you how much absolute asinine and flat-out wrong information they've gotten from people at Offixemax, Staples, BestBuy, TheWiz, Sears, and other stores.

 

[Locut0s]

You wen't to a mac store and asked them why macs are better than PCs! Wow. That's the kind of discussion I would almost PAY not to have.

Anyway as for your question I'm a PC guy so this might be a bit biased but then he's a mac guy so I'm sure he's biased too. Macs are indeed more secure and better designed man your average PC. But then again you pay a premium, in my mind way too much of one, and a BIG reason why MACs suffer fewer viruses and problems is they make up a MUCH smaller part of the market and hence aren't very attractive targets for those out there writing the viruses. If Macs made up 50% of the market you would see a lot more MAC viruses, maybe not as many as for PCs since Windows is less secure but more than MAC fanboys would have you believe.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Locut0s
You wen't to a mac store and asked them why macs are better than PCs! Wow. That's the kind of discussion I would almost PAY not to have.

Anyway as for your question I'm a PC guy so this might be a bit biased but then he's a mac guy so I'm sure he's biased too. Macs are indeed more secure and better designed man your average PC. But then again you pay a premium, in my mind way too much of one, and a BIG reason why MACs suffer fewer viruses and problems is they make up a MUCH smaller part of the market and hence aren't very attractive targets for those out there writing the viruses. If Macs made up 50% of the market you would see a lot more MAC viruses, maybe not as many as for PCs since Windows is less secure but more than MAC fanboys would have you believe.

I think more people would switch to Macs if they were cheaper, it's that simple. I started recommending people to buy Macs after they switched to the Intel chips. They're all for it, but when they hear the prices they get turned off. Even the cheapest low-end model - the Mac Mini - is $599. $599 isn't horribly bad, but it does not come with a monitor, mouse, or even a keyboard. I think if they knocked $200 off of all their computers across the board, they would sell more.

 

[AmigaMan]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Us Mac users may have our zealots, but at least we don't have this guy.

Sigh...i was once this naive and stupid, but that was back in the late 80's when the cool thing was to diss Macs because you had an Amiga, and PC's were something your dad used at work. It's funny how things never change, just the names.

Amigas SUCK!

OH NOES YOU DIDN'T!?!?! MODS PLEASE LCOK THIS THREAD AS CONVERSATIONAL TOPIC CREATED I HAVE!!!! THANKS FOR NOT SUPPORTING ME EVERYESONE. PCS SUCKS MACS TOO.

 

[cessna152]

This thread just keeps delivering.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: cessna152
This thread just keeps delivering.

:thumbsup:

 

[uberman]

Goosemaster
I hope you've had a speedy recovery after almost choking to death while trying to eat and read this thread.

I've almost coughed up a lung on this thread. It's funny that the OP apparently went to school and then came back again in the afternoon to make more illogical statements and take a further beating.

Can you say masochistic?







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[Snakexor]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

Originally posted by: preslove
Who the hell on this board is so stupid that they ask retail employees who don't earn commission advice on computer hardware? You should be at least as knowledgeable as the the assistant manager.

No commission = no in-depth knowledge.

OH REALLY?! I work at Staples (nary a commission as the store tech, :laugh: ) and would you care to quiz me to my no in-depth knowledge of computers? Your broad generalizations and stereotypes display an ignorance nearly as ignominous as the OP.

Yeah baby big words = big ep*nis brain and self-grandizing ego boosting bombast that smacks of a diatribe worthy of Hamlet at his most self absorbed.

I can talk about such huge complex :roll: constructs such as inclusive versus exclusive L2 cache and single versus dual versus quad core for the average consumer! I can help a customer determine their current verus future needs when it comes to a computer and even warn them their 300 watt PSU with 20 amps on the 12v rail won't cut it if they decide to drop a G80 bomb into the PCI-ex 16x slot down the road to supplant their 6150 Nvidia integrated graphics. Hell, I can even break down the roughly 3-5% boost in performance one gets going from single to dual channel on the AMD 939 chips. Or the additional 2-5% boost going to 940 DDR2 on the AMD chips. I can even help explain to the average Jane/Joe why the the lower frequency clocked AMD and Intel chips are faster than the previous Prescotts. Imagine that. :laugh:

Oh wait, I have no in-depth knowledge. My bad.

OP: The reason you are getting toasted is because you are demonstrating a closed mind that is unwilling to separate the personal attacks from the information being presented. Instead of getting defensive and using posturing and fingers in the ears try and examine what the posters are attempting to convey to you. If you think Apple puts "secret programs" in their OS's to get rid of viruses (why in the name of God and Jobs would they not market it :roll: ) then you really should reexamine your belief about your level of knowledge when it comes to computers.

:roll: I clearly was referring to retail sales employees. Of course a "store tech" will know a lot about computers. That kid in the blue shirt at best buy, however, is clueless.

Your rant is weak, man.

I work at best buy and i wear a blue shirt. Make sure, however, that you come into the mount laurel 583 store to ask me ANY question on 80 percent of the products we sell and you will get the most correct indepth answer you could possibly get. kthx

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008
oh well who cares, i wont admit i am wrong, even though i may be(which i most likey am). But not at the part of mac gets less viruses, they get them just not as deadly. Plus mac probably has some hidden program that gets rid of them for you. And PC you might be more at risk at getting one, but just buy Mcafee and problem solved. I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN, MOD PLEASE LOCK THIS ONE, AS I HAVE SEEMED TO START A CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC.

Good luck with that. The mods like a good train wreck as much as the rest of us

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

Originally posted by: preslove
Who the hell on this board is so stupid that they ask retail employees who don't earn commission advice on computer hardware? You should be at least as knowledgeable as the the assistant manager.

No commission = no in-depth knowledge.

OH REALLY?! I work at Staples (nary a commission as the store tech, :laugh: ) and would you care to quiz me to my no in-depth knowledge of computers? Your broad generalizations and stereotypes display an ignorance nearly as ignominous as the OP.

Yeah baby big words = big ep*nis brain and self-grandizing ego boosting bombast that smacks of a diatribe worthy of Hamlet at his most self absorbed.

I can talk about such huge complex :roll: constructs such as inclusive versus exclusive L2 cache and single versus dual versus quad core for the average consumer! I can help a customer determine their current verus future needs when it comes to a computer and even warn them their 300 watt PSU with 20 amps on the 12v rail won't cut it if they decide to drop a G80 bomb into the PCI-ex 16x slot down the road to supplant their 6150 Nvidia integrated graphics. Hell, I can even break down the roughly 3-5% boost in performance one gets going from single to dual channel on the AMD 939 chips. Or the additional 2-5% boost going to 940 DDR2 on the AMD chips. I can even help explain to the average Jane/Joe why the the lower frequency clocked AMD and Intel chips are faster than the previous Prescotts. Imagine that. :laugh:

Oh wait, I have no in-depth knowledge. My bad.

OP: The reason you are getting toasted is because you are demonstrating a closed mind that is unwilling to separate the personal attacks from the information being presented. Instead of getting defensive and using posturing and fingers in the ears try and examine what the posters are attempting to convey to you. If you think Apple puts "secret programs" in their OS's to get rid of viruses (why in the name of God and Jobs would they not market it :roll: ) then you really should reexamine your belief about your level of knowledge when it comes to computers.

:roll: I clearly was referring to retail sales employees. Of course a "store tech" will know a lot about computers. That kid in the blue shirt at best buy, however, is clueless.

Your rant is weak, man.

aktuallie whatz a goode rant wethowt goode speeelung?

 

[The Raven]

Just 2 cents...

Let's just say that what he is saying is true. Noting that he didn't say that all malware/virus/spam is not eliminated, I would not see the benefit of getting a mac based on that. My reasoning is this: would you think it is ok if you had 1 virus on your mac while a PC has many more (10,000 or what ever the ratio is)? I would think not. Therefore you are still going to have to scan it just like a PC to make sure you don't get THAT ONE. And like probably everyone said, spam has nothing to do with your machine, just your ISP/email software.

Just from their website I think that there are still security concerns that mac owners have to worry about. http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/security/

Now, that said, you would PROBABLY be safer with a mac. But if you're smart and know anything about computers (not to mention, get help from AT;-)) then I think you should be ok with anything. So I wouldn't let that sway you in your purchasing decisions. Beside, if all you want is a safer machine than a PC, go for linux. It's free. Plus there are probably more progs and components that work with it than osx too lol.

I use macs at work and would say that I don't like them as much as PCs, but probably just because I don't understand them as well. And yes, we have problems with them, like crashes, but that's not my prob lol. I have no idea if there is a virus on it because my boss doesn't have a scanner on it because she thinks it's immune to attacks.

So mac v. PC can't be decided just on that. People need to make educated decisions about their machines and not rely on blanket statements and stereotypes.

 

[phantom309]

Nothing really to add to this thread, other than that I'm a systems admin for a medium-sized company, and I'm posting this from my three-day-old 20" iMac which is beautiful and extremely fast.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: phantom309
Nothing really to add to this thread, other than that I'm a systems admin for a medium-sized company, and I'm posting this from my three-day-old 20" iMac which is beautiful and extremely fast.

and im posting from my ages old, $~600 AMD Sempron system (and by $600, i mean probably EVERYTHING i have, monitor included, adds to $600) and it's still fast

 

[amol]

Originally posted by: tylerdustin2008

Originally posted by: wetcat007
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060513

See comic, explains it all.. lol

Macs will obviously get as much spam as anything else, the security model(see unix) is a bit better making viruses less damaging but what are these not bad viruses he speaks of? Good viruses?

Did you ask the greatest question ever? So can I play counterstrike on it?(without emulation or windows...) lol

THANKS MAN, FOR REALLY BEING THE ONLY ONE SUPPORTING ME. Dont hate me because of my age, or that i hate MAC, it is just my opinion. And you see i respect the company, by making the name in caps.

dude just .... go to sleep. stop embarassing your age.

 

[spikespiegal]

I hate to jump into this thread because arguing with Apple users sucks I.Q. points out of my brain, but here goes.

-Security-

OSX by virtue of obscurity and not having to deal with loose ActiveX and VB controls is by default the more secure OS. Note I said by "default" because the biggest security problem with Windows is not the OS nor Microsoft, but the painfull truth virtually all Windows home users are too frikken ignortant to run without admin rights. Spend your day logged on without admin rights and 99.99% of the spyware/malware/trajon issue becomes virtually irrelevant. SysInternals will back me up on this along with Microsoft who is finally fixing that problem with Vista. I'm guessing the dude at the Apple store didn't tell you this, but then again, he's likely never touched a 10,000+ Windows client network that doesn't run anti-spyware yet never has a problem with this crap because no end user has local admin rights.

So, if you are not intelligent enough to create an acocunt on your windows machine without admin rights and instead prefer to run half a dozen worthless security programs, then I encourage you to buy the Mac.

I've otherwise no issues with OSX because in many respects it's easier to use then XP, especially for non technically proficient home users and multimedia workflows. Microsoft designs their OS's to appease Corporate IT departments first and home users second. This has always been an advantage in Apple's favor.

My main issue with Apple users is the reality distortion field they create regarding hardware. The only difference between an Intel based Mac and a clone PC is the BIOS on the Mac allowing you to install OSX - period, and Apple's Intel based desktop offerings are neither cost effective nor practical. I have no desire to use a mobile Core Duo as a stationary desktop processor with an LCD built into it, nor waste an entire processor on a Mac Pro when a single Core 2 Duo is faster and cheaper. If I honestly have to explain to you why two cores at 3ghz will beat 4 cores at 2.66ghz for 99% of application tasking, then I'm wasting my time.

Hardcore Apple users unfortunatley don't want that choice, which may account for why Apple has such miniscule market share.

 

[LtPage1]

I've had Macs for the last 15 years. I've never had any antivirus software. I didn't use to be all that computer-savvy. I've never gotten any sort of virus/adware/spyware/malware of any kind whatsoever.
Within a month of having a Windows XP machine, I had dozens of crap showing up in my antivirus programs, spy sweepers, etc. Most of which were just annoying, some of which were noticeably malicious.

You do the math.

edit: I'd like to take issue with the above poster who said retail employees who don't make commission don't know anything about the product.

I've worked as a seasonal employee at an Apple retail store on two separate occasions, and I've NEVER encountered a store where 95% of everyone who worked there knew just about everything about the stuff we sold.