So I'm looking at buying my first bike.

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I just sold a 2005 electra glide that I was a little too small to ride. I'm 5`11 and 160 lbs. I'm not interested in going fast, I'm mostly going to use the bike to get back and forth to work and maybe some weekend leisure. I've been looking at buying a 2013 honda cbr250r. I know these are tame bikes that are also light weight and it's right up my alley. I found this one and wanted to get opinions. http://www.carolinahonda.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?veh=319330&pov=3793070
I've been riding dirtbikes my whole life from 100`s to 450`s, two stroke and four stroke so I have some experience with handling but no real roadway experience. Would this be my best bet for a beginner or is there something better for around the same price?
 

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I'd suggest the universal do-it-all bike - the V-Strom 650. Lovely motor, very comfy, very friendly.
 

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If you do much highway riding the 250 won't cut it.

Depending on your tastes, I've always liked the SV650's. Fairly comfortable riding position, nice sounding motor and will get you around town nicely.
 

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If you do much highway riding the 250 won't cut it.

Depending on your tastes, I've always liked the SV650's. Fairly comfortable riding position, nice sounding motor and will get you around town nicely.
I don't do much highway driving at all, in fact I try to avoid it as much as possible. I mostly want to use the bike for an economical alternative for driving to work. My daily commute is roughly 10 miles and most of it is on back roads. Also the cbr fits my budget perfectly. I have some money to spend but I don't want to spend it all on a bike. I've heard good things about the sv650 but I'm not sure if I want something that big for my first bike.
 

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I don't do much highway driving at all, in fact I try to avoid it as much as possible. I mostly want to use the bike for an economical alternative for driving to work. My daily commute is roughly 10 miles and most of it is on back roads. Also the cbr fits my budget perfectly. I have some money to spend but I don't want to spend it all on a bike. I've heard good things about the sv650 but I'm not sure if I want something that big for my first bike.

Have you taken the MSF course yet? If so, then you know how weak the 250 engines are. However, if you do honestly only ever have a 10 mile commute, and no highway, then I don't see it as a problem. I just know I'd get sick of a 250 really fast. Just my personal taste though, you may find having a more tame bike to be more enjoyable.
 

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I just sold a 2005 electra glide that I was a little too small to ride. I'm 5`11 and 160 lbs. I'm not interested in going fast, I'm mostly going to use the bike to get back and forth to work and maybe some weekend leisure. I've been looking at buying a 2013 honda cbr250r. I know these are tame bikes that are also light weight and it's right up my alley. I found this one and wanted to get opinions. http://www.carolinahonda.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?veh=319330&pov=3793070
I've been riding dirtbikes my whole life from 100`s to 450`s, two stroke and four stroke so I have some experience with handling but no real roadway experience. Would this be my best bet for a beginner or is there something better for around the same price?

What are you driving now that leads you to believe you'll save any money by riding a motorcycle? Sure you can get up to 60mpg out of a small bike like the CBR250 but you will also burn through tires much faster than a car and the maintenance is more frequent on a bike too. Not to mention insurance.

I can get about 5k out of a rear tire and maybe 7k out of a front. Add in valve adjustments every 7,500 miles and belts every 15k miles and it actually costs me more to operate my bike than my car.
 

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What are you driving now that leads you to believe you'll save any money by riding a motorcycle? Sure you can get up to 60mpg out of a small bike like the CBR250 but you will also burn through tires much faster than a car and the maintenance is more frequent on a bike too. Not to mention insurance.

I can get about 5k out of a rear tire and maybe 7k out of a front. Add in valve adjustments every 7,500 miles and belts every 15k miles and it actually costs me more to operate my bike than my car.
I'm currently driving a mustang gt and an is300. The cbr gets up to 77 mpg and has a 3.5 gal gas tank which means I would spend maximum $15 bi-weekly for gas, how is that NOT better? Also I know the engine is weak, like I said I'm not looking for speed I'm looking for a good introduction and confidence builder for riding on the roadways. I'm not worried about tires, I feel like it would take a long time to wear down tires driving the bike for 30 minutes a day.
 

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What are you driving now that leads you to believe you'll save any money by riding a motorcycle? Sure you can get up to 60mpg out of a small bike like the CBR250 but you will also burn through tires much faster than a car and the maintenance is more frequent on a bike too. Not to mention insurance.

I can get about 5k out of a rear tire and maybe 7k out of a front. Add in valve adjustments every 7,500 miles and belts every 15k miles and it actually costs me more to operate my bike than my car.

Are you seriously comparing maintenance costs of a Ducati and a Honda CBR (250cc)?

Insurance, tires, maintenance will all be far less than any Ducati for the bike he's looking at.
 

JulesMaximus

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Are you seriously comparing maintenance costs of a Ducati and a Honda CBR (250cc)?

Insurance, tires, maintenance will all be far less than any Ducati for the bike he's looking at.

I never said maintenance costs would be the same as a Ducati.

I'm saying he will go through tires much quicker and that maintenance is more frequent on a bike than a car engine. My previous bike was an SV650 and I was replacing tires as frequently as my Ducati and valve check intervals were every 15k miles. I went through 3 sets of tires on the SV in 16,000 miles and I'm on my 3rd set of tires on the Ducati with just under 15,000 miles on it. I'm on my second chain on the Duc, sprockets are still good but I expect they will need to be replaced the next time I replace the chain.

I'm currently driving a mustang gt and an is300. The cbr gets up to 77 mpg and has a 3.5 gal gas tank which means I would spend maximum $15 bi-weekly for gas, how is that NOT better? Also I know the engine is weak, like I said I'm not looking for speed I'm looking for a good introduction and confidence builder for riding on the roadways. I'm not worried about tires, I feel like it would take a long time to wear down tires driving the bike for 30 minutes a day.

It depends on the tire and to some extent the bike but you will wear out tires much faster than on a car. You would be lucky to get 10k out of a rear tire.

What does an IS300 get for fuel economy? 20mpg average? Figure the bike gets about 65mpg real world. 5200 miles a year commuting only saves you about $700 over the car. Hell, you'd spend more than twice that in protective gear alone plus cost of the bike and that's not even factoring insurance into the mix. Doesn't leave a lot for tires and maintenance.

Of course my car gets 40mpg city so it is way cheaper to operate than my bike. No question about it.
 
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Larger engine size is not always an attribute . . example.
Not to start a pissing contest, but I would fault the rider if there was an accident there. Since you aren't wide at all, you have to get as rightmost as safe in a lane so a would-be-left-turner would be able to see you in time.

The rider in the video is going to have one of two attitudes: Either he will tell his coworkers that some retard almost hit him, or he will reflect back on how he could have prevented that situation from happening.
 

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OP, you don't sound like a beginner to me. Your dirt bike experience will serve you very well.
Consider a used 500 Ninja (formerly known as the EX500). Used for two reasons: You won't be as sad when you drop it. And you won't take a depreciation hit if you decide street riding isn't for you and you sell it.
500 Ninja for many reasons: It has enough power so as not to become bored. And the power band doesn't hit so suddenly that you'll freak out. The ergos are excellent, high bars, low seat...your back and your wrists will thank you.
They quit making them in '09, so it will take longer to find a clean example, but it will be a better bike than the 250.
 

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I never said maintenance costs would be the same as a Ducati.

I'm saying he will go through tires much quicker and that maintenance is more frequent on a bike than a car engine. My previous bike was an SV650 and I was replacing tires as frequently as my Ducati and valve check intervals were every 15k miles. I went through 3 sets of tires on the SV in 16,000 miles and I'm on my 3rd set of tires on the Ducati with just under 15,000 miles on it. I'm on my second chain on the Duc, sprockets are still good but I expect they will need to be replaced the next time I replace the chain.



It depends on the tire and to some extent the bike but you will wear out tires much faster than on a car. You would be lucky to get 10k out of a rear tire.

What does an IS300 get for fuel economy? 20mpg average? Figure the bike gets about 65mpg real world. 5200 miles a year commuting only saves you about $700 over the car. Hell, you'd spend more than twice that in protective gear alone plus cost of the bike and that's not even factoring insurance into the mix. Doesn't leave a lot for tires and maintenance.

Of course my car gets 40mpg city so it is way cheaper to operate than my bike. No question about it.
Why are you trying so hard to talk me out of a bike? Also the is300 gets about 15 mpg and eats premium gasoline. I'm considering taking it off the road and putting it in the garage for a while. Also I'm NOT getting a god damn scooter. If the 250 is slow as dirt like everyone says I may look into something a bit faster but that also means more $$ I don't want to spend. I'm not worried about buying protective gear as I have most of it outside of a helmet, I'm NOT worried about maintenance costs, everything has maintenance costs. Money isn't the biggest problem here, it's being a newb and being indecisive. Give me direction instead of tying me to the whipping post, damn.
 

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Why are you trying so hard to talk me out of a bike? Also the is300 gets about 15 mpg and eats premium gasoline. I'm considering taking it off the road and putting it in the garage for a while. Also I'm NOT getting a god damn scooter. If the 250 is slow as dirt like everyone says I may look into something a bit faster but that also means more $$ I don't want to spend. I'm not worried about buying protective gear as I have most of it outside of a helmet, I'm NOT worried about maintenance costs, everything has maintenance costs. Money isn't the biggest problem here, it's being a newb and being indecisive. Give me direction instead of tying me to the whipping post, damn.

15mpg? Man, my wife's IS250 gets low 20s average.

Calm down man, I was just trying to help you. You mentioned that one of the reasons you wanted to buy the bike was for a more economical means of transport (for commuting). I've done the commuting by bike thing on a fairly efficient motorcycle vs a fairly inefficient Nissan Maxima and once you start factoring in tires and maintenance it doesn't really save you that much money (slight advantage to the bike I had vs the car I had at that time). Now I have an even less efficient bike and a much more efficient car so for me it has swung the other way in favor of the car. I still take the bike from time to time just because I love riding it.

I'm not attacking you here, just speaking from experience.

250cc bike is still faster than a lot of cars on the road, including your IS300 (assuming it is stock). With your experience I would check out the SV650 or V-Strom 650. Both of those have plenty of power and are comfortable, light and easy to ride and they get decent mileage too. 50-55mpg should be doable if you stay out of the throttle too much. I've never ridden a 250 so I'm not sure how the power delivery is. I like a more performance oriented bike though so that's what I have and I'm willing to take the trade off between fuel economy and power.

Let us know what you decide on and post some pics when you get it. :thumbsup:
 
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15mpg? Man, my wife's IS250 gets low 20s average.

Calm down man, I was just trying to help you. You mentioned that one of the reasons you wanted to buy the bike was for a more economical means of transport (for commuting). I've done the commuting by bike thing on a fairly efficient motorcycle vs a fairly inefficient Nissan Maxima and once you start factoring in tires and maintenance it doesn't really save you that much money (slight advantage to the bike I had vs the car I had at that time). Now I have an even less efficient bike and a much more efficient car so for me it has swung the other way in favor of the car. I still take the bike from time to time just because I love riding it.

I'm not attacking you here, just speaking from experience.

250cc bike is still faster than a lot of cars on the road, including your IS300 (assuming it is stock). With your experience I would check out the SV650 or V-Strom 650. Both of those have plenty of power and are comfortable, light and easy to ride and they get decent mileage too. 50-55mpg should be doable if you stay out of the throttle too much. I've never ridden a 250 so I'm not sure how the power delivery is. I like a more performance oriented bike though so that's what I have and I'm willing to take the trade off between fuel economy and power.

Let us know what you decide on and post some pics when you get it. :thumbsup:
Yes the is300 is that bad on gas, even my mustang gets better mpg. And I don't feel like I'm being attacked it just seems like you're trying your best to talk me out of it when that's not what I'm here for. Anyway back on topic, the reason I'm leaning toward the cbr is because it's the only beginner bike at a dealer close to me and while I have enough money to buy the bike outright, I'd rather put a down payment and finance the $1000 or so to make my credit look better. I don't want to spend $4500 on a craigslist bike with high miles and no warranty whereas the honda has 321 miles and a good warranty. I really like the sv650 but I don't know if I'll be serious enough about riding to drop the cash on one. I do appreciate the input and I'm still looking at options before I make a decision.
 

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Yes the is300 is that bad on gas, even my mustang gets better mpg. And I don't feel like I'm being attacked it just seems like you're trying your best to talk me out of it when that's not what I'm here for. Anyway back on topic, the reason I'm leaning toward the cbr is because it's the only beginner bike at a dealer close to me and while I have enough money to buy the bike outright, I'd rather put a down payment and finance the $1000 or so to make my credit look better. I don't want to spend $4500 on a craigslist bike with high miles and no warranty whereas the honda has 321 miles and a good warranty. I really like the sv650 but I don't know if I'll be serious enough about riding to drop the cash on one. I do appreciate the input and I'm still looking at options before I make a decision.

That's cool.

I bought my SV650 new in 2008 and paid $6500 OTD. Sold it 3.5 years later with almost 17k miles on it for $4000. Best bike I ever owned. Never dropped it once either. I bought my Ducati new 3 years ago and it is worth half what I paid for it and that's with the mods. I love the Duc but man it can be a fickle beast.

You probably won't need the warranty on the Honda. The Japanese make solid reliable bikes. If you take care of it and don't drop it those bikes hold their value well. Invest in a set of frame sliders and keep it garaged if you can.

BTW-Everything is negotiable. When I bought my SV I haggled the crap out of them and ended up getting the bike for MSRP plus tax, title, lic. No assembly or delivery fees (they had $2500 in fees added on the sticker in the showroom). That would have made my bike over $9k OTD.
 
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What are you driving now that leads you to believe you'll save any money by riding a motorcycle? Sure you can get up to 60mpg out of a small bike like the CBR250 but you will also burn through tires much faster than a car and the maintenance is more frequent on a bike too. Not to mention insurance.

I can get about 5k out of a rear tire and maybe 7k out of a front. Add in valve adjustments every 7,500 miles and belts every 15k miles and it actually costs me more to operate my bike than my car.


You make alot of assumptions. Not all bikes need valve adjustments and not all bikes have belts-- and some bikes have belts that last far longer than 15k miles.

However...even so, the extra mileage would overshadow those costs unless you're paying alot of money for them.

For a Motorcycle:
$3.50/Gallon for 65 miles equals 5.3 cents per mile in fuel costs.
$200 for tires that last 10k miles (which your average 250 should get as it shouldn't have the torque to burn through them), is 2 cents per mile.
A $300 Valve Adjustment every 7500 miles works out to 4 cents per mile.
A $75 belt every 15,000 miles is about .5 cents per mile.

The total operating cost per mile for a bike is about 12 cents per mile. Right under with all the rounding I left off in my post.


Gas for a car alone...3.50 a gallon, at 20 miles per gallon even, would be 17.5 cents per mile. Throw in that it also needs tires, and will also need maintenance that a motorcycle won't. That you are more likely to have to pay someone to change your oil/brakes/filters/etc because its alot easier on a bike than a car.

Per mile its cheaper to ride a bike.

But...like anything, you can make it more expensive. Installing new exhaust, new handlebar grips, etc..can be expensive. I think this is the rabbit hole most bikers fall into which makes it more expensive for them than a car in the long run.

There's also the fact that you need to overshadow your investment at 5-10 cents per mile, depending on your car vs your motorcycle. For a $4500 motorcycle that won't happen for 45,000 to 90,000 miles. Of course you only need to overshadow the bike's value minus depreciation, plus insurance costs.

On your ducati, you're probably paying way more than $200 for a set of tires...and your belts are probably more expensive, but these costs are pretty accurate for a 250cc starter bike if you are diligent. You can buy tires online and have them mounted at cyclegear or a local shop usually for $25/tire or so.

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Jules is right. Bikes don't really end up saving you any money. They are alot of fun though.

Since you've done the dirt I'm going to suggest a used dual sport. I also grew up with dirtbikes and still feel most comfortable with the upright riding position. Dr650 or xr650 are a hoot to ride. Somebody said Vstrom, also good. Versys is on my radar right now, really want one.

What counts most for graduating from dirt to road is that you don't want to have to concentrate on the bike. You want your focus on the road. So buy a bike that fits. For a 5'11 guy a 250 is a bit small unless you are talking about a KLX or CRF 250.
 

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What are you driving now that leads you to believe you'll save any money by riding a motorcycle? Sure you can get up to 60mpg out of a small bike like the CBR250 but you will also burn through tires much faster than a car and the maintenance is more frequent on a bike too. Not to mention insurance.

I can get about 5k out of a rear tire and maybe 7k out of a front. Add in valve adjustments every 7,500 miles and belts every 15k miles and it actually costs me more to operate my bike than my car.

What tire are you running on your Duc?

For a general commuter use and light touring on a CBR250, a set of Pilot Road 2-3 or (or comparable tire) would probably yield 15K+ miles front and rear.

Having said that, I agree that a bike is not an economical alternative to an appliance such as an automobile.

However, if you do your own work and you pick the right bike it can tilt in the bikes favor.
I really need to start mounting my own tires.
Its the only thing that brings me to the dealer nowadays.
 

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You make alot of assumptions. Not all bikes need valve adjustments and not all bikes have belts-- and some bikes have belts that last far longer than 15k miles.

However...even so, the extra mileage would overshadow those costs unless you're paying alot of money for them.

For a Motorcycle:
$3.50/Gallon for 65 miles equals 5.3 cents per mile in fuel costs.
$200 for tires that last 10k miles (which your average 250 should get as it shouldn't have the torque to burn through them), is 2 cents per mile.
A $300 Valve Adjustment every 7500 miles works out to 4 cents per mile.
A $75 belt every 15,000 miles is about .5 cents per mile.

The total operating cost per mile for a bike is about 12 cents per mile. Right under with all the rounding I left off in my post.


Gas for a car alone...3.50 a gallon, at 20 miles per gallon even, would be 17.5 cents per mile. Throw in that it also needs tires, and will also need maintenance that a motorcycle won't. That you are more likely to have to pay someone to change your oil/brakes/filters/etc because its alot easier on a bike than a car.

Per mile its cheaper to ride a bike.

But...like anything, you can make it more expensive. Installing new exhaust, new handlebar grips, etc..can be expensive. I think this is the rabbit hole most bikers fall into which makes it more expensive for them than a car in the long run.

There's also the fact that you need to overshadow your investment at 5-10 cents per mile, depending on your car vs your motorcycle. For a $4500 motorcycle that won't happen for 45,000 to 90,000 miles. Of course you only need to overshadow the bike's value minus depreciation, plus insurance costs.

On your ducati, you're probably paying way more than $200 for a set of tires...and your belts are probably more expensive, but these costs are pretty accurate for a 250cc starter bike if you are diligent. You can buy tires online and have them mounted at cyclegear or a local shop usually for $25/tire or so.

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Damn, here I am getting sucked back into this...

Let's compare my last bike (which was much cheaper to operate than my current bike) to my current car.

Annual miles driven last year: 20,000

Cost in maintenance: $0 (4 oil changes with full synthetic would have cost me about $75 each but 2 years maint was included in the price of the car). Tell you what, I'll add the cost of oil changes into my total below just to keep it fair.
Cost in fuel: $2200 (estimate based on average of 38mpg and gas price of $4.09/gallon for regular unleaded)
I haven't had to replace tires yet with just under 30,000 miles on the car now but I've priced out a set at around $500 for Michelins. I figure when I get close to 40,000 miles it will be time for tires. I'd be on my 8th set on the bike by then and pushing $2500 just in rubber.

If I had ridden my old SV650 the same number of miles it would have cost me as follows:

Fuel Cost: $1700 this is an estimate based on average of 50mpg (real world was around 47-48 average but we'll use 50 because that's not out of the realm of possibility) and gas price of $4.29/gallon for premium.
Valve adjustment: $250
Tires: $900 ($300/set mounted and balanced x 3 = $900 - this is with me removing the wheels and taking them to a shop to have tires installed does not include tax or disposal fees, 1st set of tires came with the bike so I won't count that set). I went through 3 sets in 16,000 miles so would have definitely been on the 4th set by 20k miles.
5 oil changes/safety inspections: $500 ($100/ea x 5 = $500 - garage prices)
I never replaced the chain or sprockets but by 20k they probably would have needed to be changed. Figure another $300 for that.

So, let's add it up.

Car: $2500 annual operating cost or 12.5 cents per mile
Bike: $3650 annual operating cost or roughly 18 cents per mile

Really, he would be better off getting a more fuel efficient car. And, speaking as someone who recently got clipped by a car on his ride home from work while riding his Ducati, he would be a lot safer too.

But, if he wants to get a bike it's cool with me. Just don't kid yourself that you're going to save much money riding vs driving. I used that line on my wife when I bought my SV but after riding it for a few years I know it is not really the case. Even in SoCal where you can ride year round it is quite a commitment to take the bike every day both physically and mentally (with the amount of miles I do anyway).

You will be hot and miserable during the summer and you will freeze your ass off during the winter. Add in rain and snow and distracted drivers... yeah, you pretty much have to be a masochist to do this all the time. :twisted:

Damn, sounds like I'm trying to talk the OP out of it again. It's not true I tells ya! :biggrin:

Still don't believe me?

http://www.torquenews.com/1062/how-not-save-money-true-cost-motorcycle-ownership
 
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I would never claim every bike is more cost effective than every car. Would be crazy.

With only a 12 mpg difference between the sv650 and your car, the fuel difference is minimal.

The OP has a very fuel inefficient car, and is looking into one of the most fuel efficient bikes, so he'd be looking at closer to a 50mpg difference. So in his specific situation if he started riding a bike tomorrow he would see savings.

However, you do miss a few things, like you don't count anything for tires on your car even though 20k miles cut the life in half on a new set probably. So there is some loss there.Also changing your oil on a motorcycle is ridiculously easy so paying $125 doesnt seem the way to go if you are concerned with saving money.

You also have to take into account the miles you are putting on your car. Putting 20k miles per year on a car, its getting close to end of life within 10 years, and a bike faster at probably 5.

Depending on the cost of the two, but lets rough guess $5k for a bike and $20k for a car, and say you're losing $2k/year on a car and $1k/year on a bike, you have the cost of depreciation by not putting miles on your car of about $1k a year to favor the bike.

Like I said, not saying all bikes are cheaper than cars. Obviously a harley/ducati/etc is going to be more expensive than a prius/fit/smart car. But if we compare in class, so economy cars to economy bikes, race cars to race bikes, etc, I think bikes are consistently lower cost. Compare a harley to a mustang, a ducati to a corvette, a rebel to a fit, and a vespa to a prius, and I think it ends up pretty close and usually in favor of the bike...

...if the owner can avoid buying gadgets/toys and does a reasonable amount of the work on their own like changing their own oil, taking off the tires for tire changes, etc.
 

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I would never claim every bike is more cost effective than every car. Would be crazy.

With only a 12 mpg difference between the sv650 and your car, the fuel difference is minimal.

The OP has a very fuel inefficient car, and is looking into one of the most fuel efficient bikes, so he'd be looking at closer to a 50mpg difference. So in his specific situation if he started riding a bike tomorrow he would see savings.

However, you do miss a few things, like you don't count anything for tires on your car even though 20k miles cut the life in half on a new set probably. So there is some loss there.Also changing your oil on a motorcycle is ridiculously easy so paying $125 doesnt seem the way to go if you are concerned with saving money.

You also have to take into account the miles you are putting on your car. Putting $20k miles per year on a car, its getting to end of life within 10 years, and a bike faster at probably 5.

Depending on the cost of the two, but lets rough guess $5k for a bike and $20k for a car, and say you're losing $2k/year on a car and $1k/year on a bike, you have the cost of depreciation by not putting miles on your car of about $1k a year to favor the bike.

Like I said, not saying all bikes are cheaper than cars. Obviously a harley/ducati/etc is going to be more expensive than a prius/fit/smart car. But if we compare in class, so economy cars to economy bikes, race cars to race bikes, etc, I think bikes are consistently lower cost. Compare a harley to a mustang, a ducati to a corvette, a rebel to a fit, and a vespa to a prius, and I think it ends up pretty close and usually in favor of the bike...

...if the owner can avoid buying gadgets/toys and does a reasonable amount of the work on their own like changing their own oil, taking off the tires for tire changes, etc.

I was comparing an SV650 to a Camry Hybrid. Which I don't think is out of the realm of comparison. SV650 is definitely an economy bike.

Hell, let's stretch it out over 100k miles. Even if you had a major repair on the car it still vastly favors the car and I think it would be ridiculous to assume no major issues on a bike over that same mileage. Fork seals, clutches, brake pads, rotors, tune-ups, fuel pump, fuel injection/carb cleaning, and forget it if you lay it down and dent or break something major. Might as well just write it off.

Here is a breakdown of the maintenance intervals on my old bike and my current car. Throw the Ducati in this chart and holy crap does it ever favor the car.



Compared to his current cars? Yeah, a bike would be cheaper. But probably not as cheap as you or he might think is all I'm saying.
 
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The SV650 is an amazing bike, but I don't think its an economy bike in the same way we think of cars.

The SV650 is about twice the msrp of the cheapest models from Suzuki (GW250,TU250,GZ250) and gets about 2/3 of the fuel economy.

Look at something like the Honda Rebel. It gets 80 mpg and cost about $4k. Tires are cheap, maintenance is cheap. Its not very fast, but its not supposed to be.
 

JulesMaximus

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Okay, I think we've exhausted this issue. I think the OP will be happy with the Honda CBR250/300 R and it will definitely save him money in fuel over what he's driving currently.

Best of luck OP! Post pics when you get your bike. :thumbsup:
 
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