So i'm moving and thinking about wiring the house w/ ethernet...need some help

DigitalCancer

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So i was thinking that it'd be a lot easier to have internet outlets in my new house that we're buying. What all would i need in order to do this venture??

Would i need a switch? or Router would work just the same? Should i use 5e or 6?? I would really like to do this but i hear pulling wires through walls are a nightmare. How much would a job like this run (estimate) if done through a professional?? It'd be prolly, 4 outlets and then 2 or 3 outlets in the basement.
 

JackMDS

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You need a Router and a Switch if you have more then 4 outlets.

You are better of wiring with CAT6.
 

DigitalCancer

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yea, thats kinda was i was wanting to go with. Kinda future-proof it. ^_^

any suggestions for 'good' routers/switches?? I've got 2 Linksys routers, one wired, one wireless, both are 'ok' but...disconnect a lot. No experience with switches, never owned one. Thanks for the input.
 

jlazzaro

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as Jack stated, wire Cat6. it's not that much more expensive than 5e, and you know your installation will be set for years to come.

as far as pulling the cables, it depends on how your house is setup. worse comes to worse youll need some fish tape and nylon string.

professional install varies, but typical charge per drop is ~125. in the end, youll probobly be closer to $1000 total.
 

DigitalCancer

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So i'd be better off doing it myself. ^_^

I can make my own cables and everything, how much does 1000ft spool of Cat6 typically run anyway? Also need good suggestions for router/switch combo. I've 2 Linksys 4-ports, both blow though. WRT54G.
 

sswingle

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I ran mine myself. Professional would look better, but free is better, and the network works great. Its hard to say how complex it would be withought knowing how your house is setup.
 

jlazzaro

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typically, youll have a choice between 3 different types of cables.

plenum is required for use in air ducts because it is produced with plastic that does not cause toxic gases when it catches fire.

stranded is created from several smaller strands of copper making the cable more flexible. used more so in patch cables.

solid is one solid piece of copper core and is usually used between runs, terminating at patch panels / jacks.

deepsurplus usually has the cheapest prices on cables, be it patch or bulk.

the WRT54G's are usually pretty stable...its unusual to have problems with 2. you could easily use one as your router and transform the other one into a switch. are you running the newest firmware? can you describe in more detail the problems you are having with them? if you continue to have issues, i would throw dd-wrt on one for shits and giggles just to see how it acts. refer here for a how to on making one a switch.

edit: as far as running through the walls, again its dependant on how your house is setup. usually i try to take advantage of cables that are already ran, like the coax for the TV. fish tape may also be a big help, as well as a second pair of hands! if you have a setup where its impossible to go through the walls, you could always go plenum and use your AC ducts.
 

Kelemvor

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Need more info on your house too. Ranch, 2 story, etc.

I wired my house and did everything through the basement rafters. GO across the basement ceiling then up into the wall cavity whrever you want a jack. Put in keystone plates and punch down jacks and it looks perfect. If you already have cable TV jacks and/or phoen jacks in the room, just add the LAN jack to the same wall plate with a combo plate. Very easy to do just time consuming.

You can get bulk cable at lots of places. I'd check http://www.monoprice.com for that, the wall plates, the snap ins, etc.

And you want to use Solid Core wire for the runs and stranded for the patch cords. You'll need a crimper and a punch down tool as well.

You can worry about what router to use later but jus tmake sure you terminate all the cables to the same place so you can put your router there and have everything nice.
 

HVAC

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I have a 2-story with a basement. I put a shelf in the basement next to the circuit breaker panel and installed an outlet right next to the shelf to power all my routing and server gear.
I bought 1000 feet of stranded Cat5e (this was in 2001 before I had a clue about solid vs. stranded and Cat6 was still a dream) and ran my own cable, terminated it, and made my own patch cables. Recently I put in an HP Gigabit switch and I get 950+kbps end to end with good Intel PCIe network cards.

You will need 1/2 or 3/8 inch or so wood drill bits (and a drill ... duh!) and maybe a bit extender to get through the plates (2 by 4s at the tops and bottoms inside walls).

Patience and planning are your allies! Use them. If you don't, you will end up with useless holes in various places.

It is definitely easier to run cables through internal walls than external. External walls typically contain insulation and this obviously creates complications in passing wire. A fishtape (specialized coiled steel ribbon tool intended for running wires) is very helpful and sometimes a necessity, but it is possible to get by with strong string, a small weight to keep the string taut, and a mangled coat hanger to fish for the taut string in the wall.

Here's an example:
Let's assume that you have 1 story with a slab foundation (rare AFAIK around Indianapolis, but illustrates the idea), so you need to go in with the wire from the attic.
1) Locate where the room jack should be.
2) Identify where the studs are (studs are the vertical 2x4 pieces of wood inside the walls) and lightly mark where you are going to put the outlet.
3) Cutout the drywall (sheetrock) according to the wall plate/outlet box template.
4) Poke a finishing nail up through the drywall on the ceiling directly over your cutout.
5) Remove the nail and replace it with something longer....something like a portion of coat hanger that is long enough poke all the way up through the drywall and the attic insulation.
6) Take your drill, drill bit, extension cord, string, small weight, etc... hook up the ext cord and drill and go into the attic.
7) Find the coat hanger (or whatever) sticking up.
8) Right next to it should be the plate for the wall containing your outlet box cutout (see step 3).
9) Drill all the way through the plate. (near the middle of the wood next to the coat hanger.
10) Tie weight to string.
11) Drop weight through drilled hole and feed about 8 feet or so of string.
12) Tie off or nail or bubblegum string to something.
13) Go back to outlet box cutout.
14) Bend a small hook into the end of the remainder of the coat hanger.
15) Use bent hanger to "fish" the string through the outlet box cutout.
16) Remove weight from string.
17) Tie string to your cable.
18) Tape the cable tip to the string so that there is a gradual transition from the string to the cable.
19) Go to attic and pull cable up through drilled hole.

You could also have brought cable up to attic and replaced 10, 11, 12 by shoving cable down the drilled hole instead of string. This is usually what I do.

If you encounter insulation....buy a fishtape.
 

Modelworks

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Another option is to wire it from the outside.
I don't know what the exterior is on your house but I did it that way on a house with vinyl siding .

We used exterior grade cat6 to run the cabling under the vinyl then drilled a hole where it would meet the jack on the inside. Much quicker than fishing wire through walls.

I suppose you could run it this way on any house but it might not be as pleasing to the eye.
Still , its an option.
 

MrBlahh

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Another option is to wire it from the outside.
I don't know what the exterior is on your house but I did it that way on a house with vinyl siding .

We used exterior grade cat6 to run the cabling under the vinyl then drilled a hole where it would meet the jack on the inside. Much quicker than fishing wire through walls.

I suppose you could run it this way on any house but it might not be as pleasing to the eye.
Still , its an option.

this just seems like its asking for trouble. Wont the cable get pinched where the siding meets the house?

 

Modelworks

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this just seems like its asking for trouble. Wont the cable get pinched where the siding meets the house?

Nope.
If you look at vinyl siding theres more than ample room behind the siding, enough I would guess to run two or three rg6 cables. Cat6 fits in there fine.

Running cat6 outside is done all the time.
Its done alot for running wifi access points up on towers/poles.
Its just another option versus fishing through walls.


The exterior grade cat6 is weatherproof so hiding it is purely for aesthetics.
 

DigitalCancer

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I really appreciate EVERYONE's help. You guys are awesome and very knowledgeable. ^_^

So we're finally in our house now (kinda) and i'm getting ready to buy the stuff but it'll still be a few more weeks, then i'll buy the cabling and everything. I need help on a router/switch though. I think i've decided to go w/ D-Link on this one though.

Heres links for the router/switch i've picked out...good idea?? (I am big into gaming)

Router

Switch

Wireless Router <--- if i decided to get wireless would this mess w/ anything or would it be fine on the switch??


 

dclive

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Originally posted by: HVAC
I have a 2-story with a basement. I put a shelf in the basement next to the circuit breaker panel and installed an outlet right next to the shelf to power all my routing and server gear.
I bought 1000 feet of stranded Cat5e (this was in 2001 before I had a clue about solid vs. stranded and Cat6 was still a dream) and ran my own cable, terminated it, and made my own patch cables. Recently I put in an HP Gigabit switch and I get 950+kbps end to end with good Intel PCIe network cards.

That's from one machine to another on your local LAN? That's roughly 10Mb speeds. You should get almost 40MB/s (40,000 kbps) on a gig-e network.
 

Kelemvor

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$135 for a wireless router? Sheesh. Would you be getting that instead of the other router or in addition to it? If in addition, I'd get something way way less expensive since you shouldn't be gaming over wireless anyway so it'd be for internet and such...
 

SuperNaruto

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I actually recently ran cat5e in my house... got 6 boxes left over from a job and when i bought my place.. i end up running it at no cost...

basicall 4 drops per location.. living room has 12 drops.. and dual rg6 per location also

basically since we were repainting the house.. i cut up the drywall, drill a hole straight down and ran the wires up from the basement... I had an open ceiling so i just got some pipe brackets and ran the wires in the ceiling..

i did a lot of drywall work so didn't matter if i cut things up... it does get very dusty.. good luck on your cabling..

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