So is Kinect spying on us now even with the 360?

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glugglug

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It used to be that when I used an app that was not Kinect enabled, the Kinect would be partially powered off (I wouldn't see the red laser, etc).

After recent patches, the Kinect laser stays on even when using non-Kinect apps like Media Center. So is the camera now always active to send MS/NSA pics of my couch?




No reason to necro bump this thread.


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KaOTiK

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You thought it wasn't always active just because the little laser wasn't on before?
 

SOFTengCOMPelec

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If you open up a Kinect, and scrape off the manufacturers label, it says "Google Maps Project - Now photographing buildings interiors too".

If you scrape that label off, it says "NSA - reaching out and photographing everyone".

If you scrape that label off, it says "Made in China" and examining the circuitry nearby, it is using any available "open" wifi channels to send stuff to China.

The ironic joke is the last paragraph, is actually TRUE!

At least for some items

EDIT: Actually, the PC and possibly the kinect/console spies on you, when you start playing it, if only this was a joke ...

Sad proof


More widespread than I thought, including xbox live.

World of Warcraft" wasn't the only target. Another memo noted that GCHQ had "successfully been able to get the discussions between different game players on Xbox Live." Meanwhile, so many U.S. spies were roaming around "Second Life" that a special "deconfliction" unit was set up to prevent them from stepping on each other's toes.
 
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Doppel

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Everybody is joking but nobody here can say it absolutely isn't. None of us can say for sure Bigfoot doesn't exist either, except the NSA isn't in bed with Bigfoot and it is with Microsoft. I said earlier this year I was confident that the kinect is not streaming images to some NSA repository but it is now naive to be supremely confident that they can't necessarily do this or they won't. Individual hackers has broken into webcams many times in the past and with the NSA mass surveillance of millions, and with the cooperation of MS, and with access to Xbox live data--all these points now actual fact--it would not surprise me if they have a back door to kinect cameras.
 

MrCoyote

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It used to be that when I used an app that was not Kinect enabled, the Kinect would be partially powered off (I wouldn't see the red laser, etc).

After recent patches, the Kinect laser stays on even when using non-Kinect apps like Media Center. So is the camera now always active to send MS/NSA pics of my couch?

There is no laser in the Kinect. It uses an infrared projector.
http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~dyer/cs540/notes/17_kinect.pdf
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/11/kinect-teardown-reveals-ir-projector-fan/?pid=738
 

cmdrdredd

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What are they gonna see? Me talking to some dude online about how I suck at Forza but I like the McLaren P1? Me stuffing my face with a burrito while watching Man vs Food? Me cursing at the screen when I get combo broken and destroyed when I had someone down to a sliver of health in Killer Instinct?

This stuff has been going on for years with phones. If you wanna live in a bubble that's your business. I'll live my life. No it's not being oblivious, it's just realizing that I can't escape it and still need to go on with my life.

That said, the Kinect isn't sending anything out. You can verify this by monitoring your internet bandwidth in real time on your router (if it has software that supports this).
 
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Kinect is watching you masturbate.

It can also use it's laser to give the user a circumcision should the machine deem the user requires it.

What? It's in the Xbox TOS, look it up. Yeah yeah I know TL;DR.:whiste:
 

KaOTiK

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What are they gonna see? Me talking to some dude online about how I suck at Forza but I like the McLaren P1? Me stuffing my face with a burrito while watching Man vs Food? Me cursing at the screen when I get combo broken and destroyed when I had someone down to a sliver of health in Killer Instinct?

This stuff has been going on for years with phones. If you wanna live in a bubble that's your business. I'll live my life. No it's not being oblivious, it's just realizing that I can't escape it and still need to go on with my life.

That said, the Kinect isn't sending anything out. You can verify this by monitoring your internet bandwidth in real time on your router (if it has software that supports this).

Such narrow vision...

What brands you prefer, viewing habits, etc. That type of marketing info is a gold mine that ad agencies have had wet dreams over for years.
 

cmdrdredd

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Such narrow vision...

What brands you prefer, viewing habits, etc. That type of marketing info is a gold mine that ad agencies have had wet dreams over for years.

Ok and I see no ads presented to me on the xb1. The only ads are during the free movie apps that are paid for through these ads like crackle. Then you get the same three ads every 15-20minutes. One for some Braun shaver, one for the Xbox one/McDonalds promotion, one for battlefield 4. Funnily enough I get an Xbox 360 ad on the ps4 version of the app but they only play that one commercial, not three.

However, this topic was about actual spying and snooping via the kinect camera and microphone. Not targeted ads. They have already setup some billboards in malls that target ads based on age, gender, and general profile. They target ads to you on the internet as well via your web browser and viewing habits. It isn't exactly new and until I am bombarded with unwanted ads on the home screen I won't care.
 
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American Gunner

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Again, such narrow vision....

I wont bother spelling it all out for you.
Well this is a forum, so feel free to spell it out for people. Unless you don't really have anything worthwhile to say but wanted to look like you did.
 

ImpulsE69

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Let's put it simply. For years SOMETHING has been going on behind the curtain. Those that said there was were deemed conspiracy theorists. Everyone involved adamantly denied any such snooping was occurring. Recently, the curtain was pulled back and little by little more and more info is being found out and that more and more companies are involved and that those that made the claims were right all along. I do not think we remotely have been told everything.

I personally would not put it past anyone with this kind of tech to use it to gain every bit of advantage they can whether it be for security or monetary gain. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply turning a blind eye and is very unaware of the state of the world.

They can and WILL use it and they aren't going to come out and put a nice shiny warning sign on it.
 

waggy

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fine. they can spy on me while i play. i am going to start playing naked! when you guys hear about NSA people scooping out there eyes with spoons you know i was playing.
 

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fine. they can spy on me while i play. i am going to start playing naked! when you guys hear about NSA people scooping out there eyes with spoons you know i was playing.

Waggy doing the Just Dance Kids game naked = insta-deployment of FBI van to his address.
 

smackababy

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fine. they can spy on me while i play. i am going to start playing naked! when you guys hear about NSA people scooping out there eyes with spoons you know i was playing.

start? I stopped wearing pants in my house years ago. No Kinect is going to make me start!


Funny how everyone is in an uproar about the Kinect "spying" on them, but they are more than happy to Google search everything and like every product on Facebook, knowing full well those companies ARE using and selling that data.
 

KaOTiK

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start? I stopped wearing pants in my house years ago. No Kinect is going to make me start!


Funny how everyone is in an uproar about the Kinect "spying" on them, but they are more than happy to Google search everything and like every product on Facebook, knowing full well those companies ARE using and selling that data.

I also think it is insane how people give away their privacy so easily as well. But there is one big difference between Google/Facebook crap and Kinect. You aren't paying for them, they at least provide you some service in exchange for data mining you, Kinect/MS makes you pay for it and try and try and do the whole wolf in sheep's clothing.
 

ImpulsE69

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Well to be fair, I don't do any of that FB/Google stuff either. There is also a big difference between text info and a potential youtube video of you raping your dog (...not that I've ever done that...or anyone has proof :whiste: ) I personally can't get over how much people put out there about themselves. I realize people want interaction...but sometimes, you just need to keep it to yourself. Of course, clearly most people simply don't care and don't think about repercussions...just look at all that stuff on the PS4 already.
 
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smackababy

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I also think it is insane how people give away their privacy so easily as well. But there is one big difference between Google/Facebook crap and Kinect. You aren't paying for them, they at least provide you some service in exchange for data mining you, Kinect/MS makes you pay for it and try and try and do the whole wolf in sheep's clothing.

MS (and Sony) do provide you with a service: their game consoles. And wolf in sheep's clothing? Google and Facebook aren't exactly the picture of transparency. Sure, they have a EULA that states everything clear as day, if you understand legal jargon AND take the time to read a 1000 word document: which nobody does.


Also, if you truly believe MS is capturing video information, relaying to (secretively, as monitoring your data shows no increase in bandwidth usage with the Kinect) HQ, and then analyzing it, I'd love to see how that infrastructure is set up and maintained.

AND, if you're so concerned with corporations using data collected about you for targeted ads or the government "spying" on you, I'd leave the country and stop going out side.
 

ImpulsE69

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MS (and Sony) do provide you with a service: their game consoles. And wolf in sheep's clothing? Google and Facebook aren't exactly the picture of transparency. Sure, they have a EULA that states everything clear as day, if you understand legal jargon AND take the time to read a 1000 word document: which nobody does.


Also, if you truly believe MS is capturing video information, relaying to (secretively, as monitoring your data shows no increase in bandwidth usage with the Kinect) HQ, and then analyzing it, I'd love to see how that infrastructure is set up and maintained.

AND, if you're so concerned with corporations using data collected about you for targeted ads or the government "spying" on you, I'd leave the country and stop going out side.

I think in the past, the info was minimal. In the future, you can expect it to be much more because they've figured out it works and makes them money. The infrastructure is already or in process of being built. And you SHOULD be concerned, the fact you are not shows just how under a rock and short sighted you are, either that or you are with one of the companies that profits off of peoples info.

It isn't a what if any more, it's a they are doing it/or will be soon. The question is what can you do to protect your own interests. I know it sounds tin foil hattish at times, but this isn't the 50's and the government and corporations are looking out for themselves, not you.

You can surely say that the kinect for instance is only going to be monitoring your usage and that is it, and maybe that will be all it is. Once there are cameras on every street corner monitoring everyone (which is already becoming a reality) who's to say they won't do the same with your home and what better way than with an item that millions already have (and those people are PAYING for the use!!). It's really not that big of a leap to think this could happen since they can do it without your knowledge. It's really only a matter of time and some lawmaker will figure out a loophole or need for it.

Then it goes to the usual standby of "well if you're not doing any wrong" which is just complete garbage. At what point does that change to "well we think you might do something" etc. Freedoms slip little by little, not all at once.


While, the whole Skype revelation came as a bit of a shock, I don't really think MS would have been collecting anything via Kinect except your usage. However the new connect being so much more advanced is scary. The potential for abuse is there, and then to find out that they are in bed with the NSA on top of it.....just well. Trust them about as far as you can throw them.
 
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