So, is the iPOD still the top mp3 player?

[WackyDan]

Originally posted by: nortexoid

Last I knew it was unless you ran a open source software for it or ran an od version of music match. -Which both are software.....So same story there.

well u're most definitely wrong. there's actually a winamp plug-in that gives u pretty much the exact same functionality as iTunes. it allows you to sync music, playlists, make smart playlists, and so on.

you can manage music using your winamp library, and that's not even necessary.

Again..... WinAMP is Software... so I'm not wrong. My point all along is that you shouldn't need a piece of software in the middle of your mp3 palyer and pc in order to populate the device with the mp3's.

 

[nortexoid]

Originally posted by: WackyDan

Originally posted by: nortexoid

Last I knew it was unless you ran a open source software for it or ran an od version of music match. -Which both are software.....So same story there.

well u're most definitely wrong. there's actually a winamp plug-in that gives u pretty much the exact same functionality as iTunes. it allows you to sync music, playlists, make smart playlists, and so on.

you can manage music using your winamp library, and that's not even necessary.

Again..... WinAMP is Software... so I'm not wrong. My point all along is that you shouldn't need a piece of software in the middle of your mp3 palyer and pc in order to populate the device with the mp3's.

well what the hell is windows explorer? u obviously need some form of software, but i get your point. the reason i included my comment was because so many people use winamp it's like it's standard windows software, much like explorer.

and even though u shouldn't need 3rd party software, it does have advantages to explorer drag and drop. syncing and smart playlists are some huge ones.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Wiktor
"That may be. The 2nd gen ipod has a different "CPU" in it, so that's probably why."
--SickBeast

What's that supposed to mean? Looks like you don't even know much about the ipods...


Here read and learn.

Reason why older ipods don't get new firmware: apple decision.

Saying that iHP is "considerably thicker than the iPod" is a bit much too. Nothing to consider here, both fit just as good in a pocket.




Another thing is that iHP uses Toshibe 1.8" drive, not Hitachi.

Pfft...whatever.

The current iPod gen3 has a PP5002D CPU, the same as the gen1 and gen2. The gen1/2 stored their code from flash, not SDRAM, meaning they had a more limited codesize, and their SDRAM took more power to operate.

So it was a RAM limitation, not the CPU, big fvcking deal. I knew that the 3rd gen players were capable of it whereas the gen 1+2 players could not, which was all that was relevant to the discussion. If you feel like you need to flame people for no apparent reason, please take it out on someone else.

Also, the firmware issue is not an "apple decision"; maybe YOU need to learn. If you read the article that you posted, it clearly says that the gen 1+2 hardware is the limitation which prevents them from doing some of the things that the gen 3 players can do. :roll:

Some features Apple keeps off the older players (which they are fully capable of doing), but I'm guessing it is simply because they don't want to waste money programming firmware for products they no longer produce or sell.

On top of this, the last I checked the iHP was 0.9" thick compared to the 0.62" thick iPod. That's almost 50% thicker, which is substantial IMO. I don't want anything close to an inch deep sliding in my jeans pocket.

 

[LuDaCriS66]

well if you want to compare the iRiver and iPod in size.. here are some pics from a review site

iPod - iRiver size comparison 1
iPod - iRiver size comparison 2
iPod - iRiver size comparison 3

edit.. uploaded to my host

 

[SickBeast]

Those pics are "forbidden"; I can't access them.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

i've played with ipods,zens,irivers,and now the karma, the iriver really isn't that much thicker than the ipod,however its joystick hangs off even more making it troublesome. eitherway it comes with a rather nice carry case and remote to make up for that. it also has 2x the features of the ipod to make up for it. plus its not nearly as wide as a result of its thickness.

its all about preference, some people would rather have it narrow, some thin. whatever,no use debating over it.

 

[nortexoid]

yeah but if the point is to carry the thing in your pocket, which is what most people will want to do with their portable player, then having it thin is a little more important than having it barely wider...unless you wear clown or Hammer pants, in which case, it doesn't matter how thick it is.

the iHP is a thick brick.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

my karma is still much thicker than the iHP and i have no problems what so ever handling it in my pockets. buy pants that fit?

i can't see how you can squable over .14 inches eitherway

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: WackyDan

Originally posted by: nortexoid

Last I knew it was unless you ran a open source software for it or ran an od version of music match. -Which both are software.....So same story there.

well u're most definitely wrong. there's actually a winamp plug-in that gives u pretty much the exact same functionality as iTunes. it allows you to sync music, playlists, make smart playlists, and so on.

you can manage music using your winamp library, and that's not even necessary.

Again..... WinAMP is Software... so I'm not wrong. My point all along is that you shouldn't need a piece of software in the middle of your mp3 palyer and pc in order to populate the device with the mp3's.

Agreed, I figure if you're going to be lugging a hard drive around with you, why not be able to *gasp* use it as a hard drive? It's a big issue with me. On top of their other superior features, the iRiver 20 & 40gb models are universal mass storage devices - plug & play hard drives.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: WackyDan

Originally posted by: nortexoid

Last I knew it was unless you ran a open source software for it or ran an od version of music match. -Which both are software.....So same story there.

well u're most definitely wrong. there's actually a winamp plug-in that gives u pretty much the exact same functionality as iTunes. it allows you to sync music, playlists, make smart playlists, and so on.

you can manage music using your winamp library, and that's not even necessary.

Again..... WinAMP is Software... so I'm not wrong. My point all along is that you shouldn't need a piece of software in the middle of your mp3 palyer and pc in order to populate the device with the mp3's.

Agreed, I figure if you're going to be lugging a hard drive around with you, why not be able to *gasp* use it as a hard drive? It's a big issue with me. On top of their other superior features, the iRiver 20 & 40gb models are universal mass storage devices - plug & play hard drives.

The last time I checked, the iPod works just fine as a universal storage device. You just plug it in and it appears as a removable disk. You can aparently even boot Windows from it if you really want to. You can also sync all your Outlook contacts, appointments, and other things onto the iPod quite easily, which basically makes it a read-only PDA.

 

[nortexoid]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: WackyDan

Originally posted by: nortexoid

Last I knew it was unless you ran a open source software for it or ran an od version of music match. -Which both are software.....So same story there.

well u're most definitely wrong. there's actually a winamp plug-in that gives u pretty much the exact same functionality as iTunes. it allows you to sync music, playlists, make smart playlists, and so on.

you can manage music using your winamp library, and that's not even necessary.

Again..... WinAMP is Software... so I'm not wrong. My point all along is that you shouldn't need a piece of software in the middle of your mp3 palyer and pc in order to populate the device with the mp3's.

Agreed, I figure if you're going to be lugging a hard drive around with you, why not be able to *gasp* use it as a hard drive? It's a big issue with me. On top of their other superior features, the iRiver 20 & 40gb models are universal mass storage devices - plug & play hard drives.

The last time I checked, the iPod works just fine as a universal storage device. You just plug it in and it appears as a removable disk. You can aparently even boot Windows from it if you really want to. You can also sync all your Outlook contacts, appointments, and other things onto the iPod quite easily, which basically makes it a read-only PDA.

you're right. the only stupid thing is that you can't just transfer music to and from the ipod in such a manner since it stores it in a proprietary fashion. if i were to just copy music through explorer onto my pod, it wouldn't recognize it. for the pod to play my music, it must be transfered through 3rd party software.

but again, the thing can still be used exactly like a firewire/USB hdd.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

stop replying with quotes!

its a good feature, itunes has to tag the files,it helps the ipod sort files and get them to play faster and keep them more organized

every player has its quirks and ups and downs.

my karma can't act as any kind of hard drive what so ever, the bonus is that it has a custom file system made for flat out speed so there is absolutely no wait time when jumping around from song to song.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: nortexoid

Originally posted by: SickBeast
The last time I checked, the iPod works just fine as a universal storage device. You just plug it in and it appears as a removable disk. You can aparently even boot Windows from it if you really want to. You can also sync all your Outlook contacts, appointments, and other things onto the iPod quite easily, which basically makes it a read-only PDA.

you're right. the only stupid thing is that you can't just transfer music to and from the ipod in such a manner since it stores it in a proprietary fashion. if i were to just copy music through explorer onto my pod, it wouldn't recognize it. for the pod to play my music, it must be transfered through 3rd party software.

but again, the thing can still be used exactly like a firewire/USB hdd.

Ah, I see, thanks. What if you use, say, Linux? You could transfer your mp3s to it but not listen to them? At any rate, while I'm sure it's a fine player, the price and battery life kill it for me. iRiver seems a better choice, by far.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Ah, I see, thanks. What if you use, say, Linux? You could transfer your mp3s to it but not listen to them? At any rate, while I'm sure it's a fine player, the price and battery life kill it for me. iRiver seems a better choice, by far.

I just leave a small app in the root directory of the iPod that I install on the host computer if I want to copy my music collection onto it. Otherwise, you can actually copy your music over, but you will need to use a tagging program to re-name the files. As for Linux, I'm pretty sure you could get an app to do the same thing. Not as good as the iRiver, but it's still possible at least. I think Apple doesn't want people ripping songs from their iPod due to legal issues.

I'll agree that the battery life does suck on the iPod, but it's totally worth the extra $40 or so over the iHP IMO, primarily due to the user interface and the sheer beauty of the device. If I were flying overseas regularly I would probably feel differently.

 

[WackyDan]

Originally posted by: nortexoid

Originally posted by: WackyDan

Originally posted by: nortexoid

Last I knew it was unless you ran a open source software for it or ran an od version of music match. -Which both are software.....So same story there.

well u're most definitely wrong. there's actually a winamp plug-in that gives u pretty much the exact same functionality as iTunes. it allows you to sync music, playlists, make smart playlists, and so on.

you can manage music using your winamp library, and that's not even necessary.

Again..... WinAMP is Software... so I'm not wrong. My point all along is that you shouldn't need a piece of software in the middle of your mp3 palyer and pc in order to populate the device with the mp3's.

well what the hell is windows explorer? u obviously need some form of software, but i get your point. the reason i included my comment was because so many people use winamp it's like it's standard windows software, much like explorer.

and even though u shouldn't need 3rd party software, it does have advantages to explorer drag and drop. syncing and smart playlists are some huge ones.

Ok--we back level again... I don't use playlists as of yet, though I'll probably use winamp capability of the iRiver when I do. Windows file manager comes as part of the OS, and everyone has it. I use my iRiver between my laptop and another machine at home as well record presentations with it and drop them on somebody else's laptop.... SO for me the iRiver's approach to how it handles file transfer is a plus as I don't have to install software on all my systems or anyone elses.

I also write the IT policy in house for our project and iTunes as well as any other commercial download software is strictly forbidden on the company issued systems...

Again, my first statement was that they are both excellent products and let me add top of their class.

 

[Cobalt]

IRIVERRRRRRRR

 

[stickybytes]

i would recommend the ipod. my friends have one and everytime i see them and would tell them "let me play with your ipod". it really is that addicting and the design is unbeatable. The ipod mini is even better in terms size and look.

Hijacking alert: anybody know where i can actually get a ipod mini and not be placed on a waiting is just a title to get your money for now list?

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

buy an ipod because it looks cool and is "addicting"!