So last night I learned that it's possible to be 21 and still get ticketed for drinking in a private home

[DainBramaged]

My only question is why did anyone go out of the house while the cops were there? Who let the cops in, if they did?

 

[Horus]

Originally posted by: bctbct
"I rolled my eyes and walked back into the house."

yep, not like you taunted them or anything.

The cops were dicks. There is nothing illegal about having a party and drinking on a private residence, ESPECIALLY if there's a bar across the street blaring music. I'd fight that.

 

[Paktu]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
My only question is why did anyone go out of the house while the cops were there? Who let the cops in, if they did?

Had I been under 21, I would have ran at the very beginning when there were just a few cops there. Like I said, I had no idea that I could be of age and still get a ticket.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: bctbct
"I rolled my eyes and walked back into the house."

yep, not like you taunted them or anything.

how is rolling eyes at BS considered taunting?

are you stupid?

So he deserved an unlawful ticket because he "taunted the police"?? Once again, ATOT demonstrates that it would be quite at home in a fascist police state. It's our civic duty to roll our eyes at crooked quota fulfilling cops just as we would roll our eyes at any other powermongering idiot. As soon as you cower in fear of the police when you aren't doing anything illegal, you might as well take the first available plane to North Fvcking Korea.

 

[Toastedlightly]

A ticket for a loud party? Was the party loud?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: bctbct
"I rolled my eyes and walked back into the house."

yep, not like you taunted them or anything.

how is rolling eyes at BS considered taunting?

are you stupid?

So he deserved an unlawful ticket because he "taunted the police"??

Once again, ATOT demonstrates that it would be quite at home in a fascist police state.
It's our civic duty to roll our eyes at crooked quota fulfilling cops just as we would roll our eyes at any other powermongering idiot.

As soon as you cower in fear of the police when you aren't doing anything illegal, you might as well take the first available plane to North Fvcking Korea.

Excellent post sir :thumbsup:

They call P&N a cesspit but it is pretty sad in OT too

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
So he deserved an unlawful ticket because he "taunted the police"?? Once again, ATOT demonstrates that it would be quite at home in a fascist police state. It's our civic duty to roll our eyes at crooked quota fulfilling cops just as we would roll our eyes at any other powermongering idiot. As soon as you cower in fear of the police when you aren't doing anything illegal, you might as well take the first available plane to North Fvcking Korea.

:thumbsup:

I'd fight this one. Did the people who were under aged also get a ticket for noisy assembly? If not, could that be your out?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Paktu
Here's the city ordinance:

http://www.ci.mpls.mn.us/police/crime-prevention/docs/CONOISE2.pdf
Noisy or unruly assembly (Commonly referred to as "Loud Party" ordinance.):
For the purposes of sections 389.65(c)(1) and 389.65(c)(2), the term ?noisy or unruly assembly? shall mean a gathering of more than one person in a residentially zoned or used area or building between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. whose noisy or illegal conduct would be likely to cause significant discomfort or annoyance to a reasonable person of normal sensitivities present in the area considering the time of day and the residential character of the area. Noisy or unruly assemblies may include, but are not limited to, those involving excessive noise, obstruction of public ways by crowds or vehicles, consumption of alcohol by minors, provision of alcohol to minors, fighting, disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct, littering, and public urination or defecation.

Wow... that ordinance is so vague someone could be written up for a "noise" violation because their burgular alarm went off.

Also, shouldn't the person who actually lives there be the one and only person to receive the "noise" violation ticket?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Paktu
Here's the city ordinance:

http://www.ci.mpls.mn.us/police/crime-prevention/docs/CONOISE2.pdf
Noisy or unruly assembly (Commonly referred to as "Loud Party" ordinance.):
For the purposes of sections 389.65(c)(1) and 389.65(c)(2), the term ?noisy or unruly assembly? shall mean a gathering of more than one person in a residentially zoned or used area or building between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. whose noisy or illegal conduct would be likely to cause significant discomfort or annoyance to a reasonable person of normal sensitivities present in the area considering the time of day and the residential character of the area. Noisy or unruly assemblies may include, but are not limited to, those involving excessive noise, obstruction of public ways by crowds or vehicles, consumption of alcohol by minors, provision of alcohol to minors, fighting, disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct, littering, and public urination or defecation.

Wow... that ordinance is so vague someone could be written up for a "noise" violation because their burgular alarm went off.

Also, shouldn't the person who actually lives there be the one and only person to receive the "noise" violation ticket?

Well there is a Bar across the street according to the OP so that could be an out for them too.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Paktu
Here's the city ordinance:

http://www.ci.mpls.mn.us/police/crime-prevention/docs/CONOISE2.pdf
Noisy or unruly assembly (Commonly referred to as "Loud Party" ordinance.):
For the purposes of sections 389.65(c)(1) and 389.65(c)(2), the term ?noisy or unruly assembly? shall mean a gathering of more than one person in a residentially zoned or used area or building between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. whose noisy or illegal conduct would be likely to cause significant discomfort or annoyance to a reasonable person of normal sensitivities present in the area considering the time of day and the residential character of the area. Noisy or unruly assemblies may include, but are not limited to, those involving excessive noise, obstruction of public ways by crowds or vehicles, consumption of alcohol by minors, provision of alcohol to minors, fighting, disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct, littering, and public urination or defecation.

Wow... that ordinance is so vague someone could be written up for a "noise" violation because their burgular alarm went off.

Also, shouldn't the person who actually lives there be the one and only person to receive the "noise" violation ticket?

Well there is a Bar across the street according to the OP so that could be an out for them too.

That was my second point. Wouldn't the bar owner be the only person slapped with a fine for the noise violation... I've never heard of fining all patrons who are inside at the time as well.

 

[clamum]

20 or 30 pigs eh... sounds like this town.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: bctbct
"I rolled my eyes and walked back into the house."

yep, not like you taunted them or anything.

how is rolling eyes at BS considered taunting?

are you stupid?

So he deserved an unlawful ticket because he "taunted the police"?? Once again, ATOT demonstrates that it would be quite at home in a fascist police state. It's our civic duty to roll our eyes at crooked quota fulfilling cops just as we would roll our eyes at any other powermongering idiot. As soon as you cower in fear of the police when you aren't doing anything illegal, you might as well take the first available plane to North Fvcking Korea.

we dont live in a perfect world and smart people adapt, that plays in to the part where I asked him if he was stupid.

 

[Blazin Trav]

I dunno maybe take it to court but I always leave parties early for that reason.

 

[DrPizza]

I'm sure the party wasn't loud and no one complained... 30 police just happened to be driving by and were just dropping in to ask if they could use the toilet.

I have mixed feelings on this one. On one hand, I'd like to see you get out of the ticket.
On the other hand, as someone who has been around a lot longer and enjoys sleeping at night, I wish the police would have cited every single person in there with everything they could. Loud, crowded underage parties are notorious for ruining the character of many neighborhoods. And, if they only cited the person who threw the party, everyone else at the party wouldn't learn their lesson. Apparently this approach:

Normally, a couple cops will show up, tell everyone who doesn't live there to leave, and then take off.

doesn't work very well. In fact, most small towns don't enact such legislation out of the blue; it's normally in response to an existing problem. So, on behalf of the people in that town who want a little peace and quiet at night, good for the police.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: bctbct
"I rolled my eyes and walked back into the house."

yep, not like you taunted them or anything.

how is rolling eyes at BS considered taunting?

are you stupid?

So he deserved an unlawful ticket because he "taunted the police"?? Once again, ATOT demonstrates that it would be quite at home in a fascist police state. It's our civic duty to roll our eyes at crooked quota fulfilling cops just as we would roll our eyes at any other powermongering idiot. As soon as you cower in fear of the police when you aren't doing anything illegal, you might as well take the first available plane to North Fvcking Korea.

WHO IS SAYING THAT IT'S RIGHT THAT HE GOT A TICKET FOR TAUNTING THE POLICE?

I'M SAYING THAT IT'S STUPID FOR HIM TO PUT HIMSELF IN THE SITUATION. BUT FEEL FREE TO FIGHT YOUR BATTLES. THERE IS ENOUGH GRAY IN ANY LAW TO ALLOW FOR INTERPRETATION AND YOU'RE MORE WELCOME TO TAKE THE HEAT SO I DON'T HAVE TO.

 

[kingtas]

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: kingtas

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: kingtas

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: kingtas

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: bctbct
"I rolled my eyes and walked back into the house."

yep, not like you taunted them or anything.

how is rolling eyes at BS considered taunting?

are you stupid?

If you would have done that where I grew up, they would have beat your a$$ and said you assaulted one of them - then you'd be facing more than a ticket.

yeap. sure they would have.

Really, that's no load of crap.

uh huh sure it is. a cop is going ot beat your ass for rolling your eyes. yeap. sure they will.

what else? they just shoot you for walking across the street?

No. But I had a friend who ran from the cops and when they caught him, they hand cuffed him in the back of a van and beat his legs with their batons for running.

Philly has always had a history of Police brutality and crooked cops.

So there is some equality between running from the cops and rolling your eyes?
:roll:

No equality.. Just making a point that if you catch the wrong cop on a bad day and do something stupid, you can pay the price. But since you are unable to perceive that it can and does happen - never mind.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: bctbct
"I rolled my eyes and walked back into the house."

yep, not like you taunted them or anything.

Yeah, you pretty much were begging to get some sort of ticket for that.

Edit-I'm guessing this wasn't the first time that cops have been called out to that residence and they were making a point to hassle everyone big time. Deal with it.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: bctbct
"I rolled my eyes and walked back into the house."

yep, not like you taunted them or anything.

Yeah, you pretty much were begging to get some sort of ticket for that.

Edit-I'm guessing this wasn't the first time that cops have been called out to that residence and they were making a point to hassle everyone big time. Deal with it.

Agreed with the edit part... the neighbors have probably been complaining about all the noise. While they can't do much about the bar (it's probably zoned differently), they finally decided to do something about the parties. I tend to believe the charge is going to stick, especially if it's in a smaller town/college town. I remember watching 3 cocky college students who quoted the law to the judge (similar to your law), had notorized statements from persons at every single residence the block where they were ticketed that the residents did not hear any noise from them on that night. And, they had one statement from a nearby resident who said that the first thing he heard was the police shouting at the college students. Verdict: guilty.

 

[XZeroII]

You didn't get a ticket for drinking, you got a ticket for being stupid.

How to get a ticket:

Step 1: Mouth off to the cops.
Step 2: ...
Step 3: Complain about it to a group of strangers.

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: Paktu
Last night I went to a party at a house a few blocks away. Four kegs, pretty standard fare. Towards the end, the cops showed up, but I didn't really care since I'm 21 and was drinking legally. Or so I thought...

Normally, a couple cops will show up, tell everyone who doesn't live there to leave, and then take off. This time, at least 20-30 cops showed up. They blocked the front and back door and wouldn't let anyone leave. I went up to one of the cops and said "Here's my ID, I'm 21, lemme go". She replied "I'll let you know when I'm ready to check your ID". I rolled my eyes and walked back into the house. When they finally got around to checking my license, and confirmed that I was 21, they realized they couldn't write me a ticket for drinking. So, instead, they cite me for "Noisy Assembly" and send me away. It's particularly amusing when there's a bar right across the street blasting music, but they seem uninterested in writing tickets for anyone there. Hmm...

Here's what I'd like to know:
1. Was it legal for them to not allow me to leave the house?
2. What's the best way to fight this thing?

Pay the fine.

 

[Paktu]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
You didn't get a ticket for drinking, you got a ticket for being stupid.

How to get a ticket:

Step 1: Mouth off to the cops.
Step 2: ...
Step 3: Complain about it to a group of strangers.

I didn't realize rolling my eyes constitutes "mouthing off". Thanks for letting me know.

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: Paktu

Originally posted by: XZeroII
You didn't get a ticket for drinking, you got a ticket for being stupid.

How to get a ticket:

Step 1: Mouth off to the cops.
Step 2: ...
Step 3: Complain about it to a group of strangers.

I didn't realize rolling my eyes constitutes "mouthing off". Thanks for letting me know.

Your title is very misleading. The ticket was for noisy assembly, not because you were drinking (which may have caused the noisy assmebly). I'm going with Dr. Pizza on this one.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Paktu

Originally posted by: XZeroII
You didn't get a ticket for drinking, you got a ticket for being stupid.

How to get a ticket:

Step 1: Mouth off to the cops.
Step 2: ...
Step 3: Complain about it to a group of strangers.

I didn't realize rolling my eyes constitutes "mouthing off". Thanks for letting me know.

I went up to one of the cops and said "Here's my ID, I'm 21, lemme go".

That is mouthing off. Why would you even open your big mouth? Did you really think that the cops would just let you go???

Edit: In case you didn't know, when dealing with the cops, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND MAKE THEM HAPPY. Don't be a smart-a**.

 

[tamik]

Just politely argue it out with one of the overburdened Hennipen County Attorneys. They'll drop it if they realize you're dead serious about taking it to court or they'll plea bargain it to nothing.

 

[Paktu]

Sorry for bringing this thread back from the dead. I never paid or contested this ticket. Last week, I purchased a used car and went to transfer the title. I asked the guy to check to see if I had any outstanding fines (or warrants for my arrest, lol). I guess the city decided to forgive and forget, as my record appears to be clean.