You've said that the obamacare subsidies take from someone's retirement, their childrens education, etc. How is removing the employer subsidy any different?
Because you'd be gaining a universal and lifetime benefit for yourself every member of your family. You'd basically be trading a model where the 83% of people have employer subsidized health insurance, some remaining fraction has individual/Obamacare exchange plans, and some have nothing for a system where everyone gets catastrophic insurance regardless of employment status or anything else. Which removes the biggest threat to most families which is financial hardship or even bankruptcy due to catastrophic medical event. Most people care about being covered against major expense events like "hit by bus" moreso than minor expenses (like birth control pills). For those currently in an employer subsidized plan, those minor expenses would be paid out of the HSA which is the second leg of my plan and offset by the free clinics for those without the income to have a HSA.
If you prefer, think of it as Medicare for all, but much cheaper because it covers only big ticket stuff instead of every possible medical service. Make people responsible for deciding whether to pay all those miscellaneous $100 items and then costs will come down because they'll realize they don't need most of that crap. Whereas before they would have demanded it because "I'm paying $1,000/month for health insurance already, damn straight I'm going to get that service." And if we moved to a British style system they'd be pissed because some bureaucrat decided they didn't need it. Having the consumers make those decisions for themselves leads to much better and more satisfied consumers.
whats funny about this thread is I don't think a single pro trump person has posted a list. lol.
How exactly would you remove employer based insurance plans? You are basically going to take money from the children, retirement, etc of 83% of the folks to subsidize the rest?
If you're going to turn this into "either the poor get middle class level healthcare or I'm not interested" then I'm fine with allowing them to die in the streets again.
If you're going to turn this into "either the poor get middle class level healthcare or I'm not interested" then I'm fine with allowing them to die in the streets again. Enjoy the repeal of Obamacare in a few months.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mcconnell-trump-obamacare_us_58238783e4b0aac62488ec21
This is about the most accurate post I've seen post the election.This is the ironclad bshole guarantee. This is a mortal lock, I will eat my speen if it doesn't come to pass. Wait for it......
Trump will change the tax code in a way that benefits himself and the 1%ers greatly and will pass the cost of that change unto the national debt. The man is completely and utterly obsessed with his net wealth. I have never heard a wealthy person brag about their wealth more than him. For Trump, wealth is direct indicator of your value as a human being. As such, he will do everything in his power to increase that wealth. This is an absolute no-brainer, especially since his proposed tax plan essentially does this already. Did you get that? His proposed tax plan would transfer 6 trillion back to the wealthy or nearly $25k from every man/woman/child in America.
Im interested in how you propose eliminating employer based healthcare.
If you're going to turn this into "either the poor get middle class level healthcare or I'm not interested" then I'm fine with allowing them to die in the streets again. Enjoy the repeal of Obamacare in a few months.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mcconnell-trump-obamacare_us_58238783e4b0aac62488ec21
This is the ironclad bshole guarantee. This is a mortal lock, I will eat my speen if it doesn't come to pass. Wait for it......
Trump will change the tax code in a way that benefits himself and the 1%ers greatly and will pass the cost of that change unto the national debt. The man is completely and utterly obsessed with his net wealth. I have never heard a wealthy person brag about their wealth more than him. For Trump, wealth is direct indicator of your value as a human being. As such, he will do everything in his power to increase that wealth. This is an absolute no-brainer, especially since his proposed tax plan essentially does this already. Did you get that? His proposed tax plan would transfer 6 trillion back to the wealthy or nearly $25k from every man/woman/child in America.
This is the ironclad bshole guarantee. This is a mortal lock, I will eat my speen if it doesn't come to pass. Wait for it......
Trump will change the tax code in a way that benefits himself and the 1%ers greatly and will pass the cost of that change unto the national debt. The man is completely and utterly obsessed with his net wealth. I have never heard a wealthy person brag about their wealth more than him. For Trump, wealth is direct indicator of your value as a human being. As such, he will do everything in his power to increase that wealth. This is an absolute no-brainer, especially since his proposed tax plan essentially does this already. Did you get that? His proposed tax plan would transfer 6 trillion back to the wealthy or nearly $25k from every man/woman/child in America.
...and the nation becomes like Brazil where the haves live in compounds surrounded by 20ft walls and armed guards. ....where the middle class/rich are murdered/kidnapped on a regular basis.... yea, sounds like a real utopian world you want to live in...
Sounds like modern progressive cities minus the murder/kidnapping which could be fixed if the poor decided to turn on their fellow citizens (which may yet come).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-school-desegregation_us_56fc7cebe4b0a06d5804bdf0
If you're going to turn this into "either the poor get middle class level healthcare or I'm not interested" then I'm fine with allowing them to die in the streets again.
This I never understood. If we actually decided to make moves to give everyone health insurance we would all pay less. The numbers are there. It's a matter of who's willing to give up a bit of profits for the good of the country.The question is if it is a good thing. I would argue that is a bad thing. You stated that you supported the poor dying on the street:
You are arguing for America to become a 3rd world nation rather than act as all other 1st world nations. Why would you actively want the poor to get crappy or no healthcare? I do not understand that point of view. This is especially true in an era where the middle class is transitioning into the poverty class. That could eventually be your kid or my kid dying in the street.
The question is if it is a good thing. I would argue that is a bad thing. You stated that you supported the poor dying on the street:
You are arguing for America to become a 3rd world nation rather than act as all other 1st world nations. Why would you actively want the poor to get crappy or no healthcare? I do not understand that point of view. This is especially true in an era where the middle class is transitioning into the poverty class. That could eventually be your kid or my kid dying in the street.
So my mother-in-law had this conversation with her hair dresser today.
As a backstory she is a single mother with 2 kids, white, and uses obamacare and doesn't have much income.
MIL - mother-in-law
HD - hair dresser
MIL: So who did you vote for?
HD: Ohh I voted for Trump he will make America great again.
MIL: But I thought you used Obamacare?
HD: Ohh yeah it has been great, I used to pay over $400 a month for insurance for me and my kids but with the OC subsidies I pay close to nothing now.
MIL: ... But with Trump he is going to get rid of it and you will lose your insurance.
HD: Well I didn't like that with OC I couldn't pick my doctor.
MIL: But you had a big list to choose from no?
HD: Yeah but it still wasn't my choice.
MIL: So you would rather just go back to paying the huge amount you were paying before?
HD: ... I don't know but I know he will make America great again.
I am not making this shit up. This is your standard Trump supporter right there.
The real irony is that I am liberal and Trump will end up helping me more than her. I have multiple properties and make over $200K a year. Trump is going to give me some big tax cuts so more money in savings and shiny new things. He will subsidize a big chunk of what I pay my nanny so more money in my pocket. What is this woman going to get?
Ohh and I voted yes for the CA income tax increase which is going to affect me but Trump will end up giving me more back in my federal.