So lets predict where we are in four years

[Jhhnn]

Yeah, the "free police coverage" seems to be working great for the poor.

That's utterly ignorant, insincere, or both considering your Trump love-

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...30a234-a696-11e6-ba59-a7d93165c6d4_story.html

 

[Jhhnn]

60 million or so folks voted for Clinton and most probably want universal healthcare. That doesn't sound like a "small group" to me. Don't wait for Republicans to come around, get a few of your progressive friends to donate your personal funds to open free clinics on your cities. Donate your time and labor to that free clinic.

Or instead continue doing what you do now, which is nothing. Which is the same (or maybe less) than some conservative person is doing.

That's an invitation to go piss into the Grand Canyon, right?

Meanwhile, enjoy your FUGM.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Ahhh yet another angry butthurt liberal

 

[bshole]

60 million or so folks voted for Clinton and most probably want universal healthcare. That doesn't sound like a "small group" to me. Don't wait for Republicans to come around, get a few of your progressive friends to donate your personal funds to open free clinics on your cities. Donate your time and labor to that free clinic.

Or instead continue doing what you do now, which is nothing. Which is the same (or maybe less) than some conservative person is doing.

You do realize that socialized medicine is in YOUR best interest don't you? I mean that is like an objective fact that can be quantified by comparison of our system with other systems around the world. We can get into the analysis if you would like. What EXACTLY are you arguing for? You don't want socialized medicine? What would you prefer and why?

 

[IronWing]

I fully expect Trump to renegotiate the federal debt with our creditors using the threat of default as leverage. I fully expect that the geezers will cheer him on, oblivious to the fact that the Social Security trust fund is the biggest holder of federal bonds.

 

[linkgoron]

Hillary Clinton frankly DID win the popular vote.
So for democrats to think they did something wrong is not correct.
Hell.... they won! The democrats won.
The flaw here is with the system, the electoral college.
No other country has this weird strange system of governing.

This is not strictly true. Look at the British 2015 elections. They're very regional, like the US system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015#Results

The Conservative Party got 36.8% of the votes but that was worth 50.6% (330/650) of the seats.
The Labor Party got 30.5% of the votes but that was worth 35.7% (232) of the seats.
The Scottish National Party got 4.7% of the votes but that was worth 8.6% (56) of the seats.
The Liberal Democrats got 7.9% of the votes but only got 1.2% (8) of the seats.
The Democartic Democrats got 0.6% of the votes also got 1.2% (8) of the seats.
The UK Independence Party got 7.6% of the votes, but only 0.2% of the seats (1 seat!)
The Green Party 3.8 % of the votes, but only 0.2% of the seats (1 seat!)

What I'm trying to say is - there are other terrible systems out there. What's also funny is that the Labor Party actually had a higher percentage @ 2015 than 2010 (30.4% vs 29.0%),but they still lost 26 seats .So you shouldn't be too hard on yourselves.

 

[Sunburn74]

60 million or so folks voted for Clinton and most probably want universal healthcare. That doesn't sound like a "small group" to me. Don't wait for Republicans to come around, get a few of your progressive friends to donate your personal funds to open free clinics on your cities. Donate your time and labor to that free clinic.

Or instead continue doing what you do now, which is nothing. Which is the same (or maybe less) than some conservative person is doing.

1) actually I am giving free healthcare in various clinics in my city mostly to the homeless actually but
2) this doesn't solve the problem. Most of the cost of healthcare comes in the last few months of life. ICU level care, expensive cancer therapy, accelerating severity if chronic illnesses, etc etc many of these diseases are preventable with earlier access to medicine as well. Again small groups, volunteering in clinics, and etc can't address the problem. The problem is too big. The issue is grandad's pacemaker at 86 or grandmas ovarian cancer treatment at 81or uncles 3rd heart failure admission which is now going into 3 weeks long. The costs of these treatments are astronomical. Starting a go fund me for every one admitted simply isn't feasible.

About 1 out of every 3 dollars this country makes goes to paying for healthcare, mostly hospitalizations. This is a massive societal problem that can only be solved by either
1)keeping everything exactly the same but starting extreme rationing of health care (ie only paying for this that are extremely cost effective and neglecting every thing else) and incredible increases in efficiency (which seemingly can only be done in non profit systems. For profit systems tend to have very high overheads which drive down efficiency. CEOs must be paid and expect raises over time)
2) moral bankruptcy and simply letting only the wealthy have a right and access to healthcare
3) expanding healthcare coverage and tax contributions along with efficiency gains

Personally I think the economics support number 3 but whatever. People can choose what they want. At the very least they should be informed as to where the money is going.

I was very much in favor of California passing a law fixing drug prices to what the VA pays. The law was not perfect but the theme was right. The VA negotiates drug process aggressively and pays half what everyone does easily becuae by controlling 15% of the market they have significant sway. If every state was to pass a hard line law saying no insurance company will charge their constituents more than the VA, that would be a huge step towards reigning in costs. big pharm would lose of course but at the end of the day the healthcare debate is simply the question of who is willing to give up profits.

 

[jackstar7]

Ahhh yet another angry butthurt liberal

You really bring nothing to the table, eh?

I remember back when you did.

 

[dawp]

if you thought W was bad after 8....

 

[ModerateRepZero]

1) the deficit will explode

- Medical costs continue to rise. Repealing the Affordable Care Act (aka "Obamacare") without a viable replacement simply means less coverage and therefore more sick uninsured (unless you're wealthy enough to afford insurance)

- entitlements will continue to be a "3rd rail" and escape significant changes. Adding to the above, without fixing social security it will continue to face shortfalls in funding

- Tax cuts which the Republicans will push thru with the magical thinking that trickle down economics and the confidence fairy will be enough to enable tax revenues for the tax cuts to pay for itself. Hint: Kansas is an extreme example but other tax cuts ie former President Bush's tax cuts have failed to spur growth

- IRS budget will continue to get cut even though voluntary compliance and audits are how the federal government gets tax revenue. Oh and 1 dollar spent on the IRS generates tax revenue several times over

2) another financial crisis or scandal. Deregulation and continued neutering of government agencies especially regulators makes it more likely. Hint: self policing of financial institutions and relying on whistleblowing for tips/investigations isn't just laziness/passivity, it's bad governance

3) another conservative added to the US Supreme court = more decisions that favor the wealthy, big business, and the powerful. Campaign finance reform, 1st amendment, gun control regulation, etc? not on a conservative Supreme Court bench

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Kansas minus healthcare for many more states would be my guess.

 

[gamervivek]

This is not strictly true. Look at the British 2015 elections. They're very regional, like the US system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2015#Results

The Conservative Party got 36.8% of the votes but that was worth 50.6% (330/650) of the seats.
The Labor Party got 30.5% of the votes but that was worth 35.7% (232) of the seats.
The Scottish National Party got 4.7% of the votes but that was worth 8.6% (56) of the seats.
The Liberal Democrats got 7.9% of the votes but only got 1.2% (8) of the seats.
The Democartic Democrats got 0.6% of the votes also got 1.2% (8) of the seats.
The UK Independence Party got 7.6% of the votes, but only 0.2% of the seats (1 seat!)
The Green Party 3.8 % of the votes, but only 0.2% of the seats (1 seat!)

What I'm trying to say is - there are other terrible systems out there. What's also funny is that the Labor Party actually had a higher percentage @ 2015 than 2010 (30.4% vs 29.0%),but they still lost 26 seats .So you shouldn't be too hard on yourselves.

Not true in India either. But more amazingly, Indians require vote ID cards to able to vote, US is behind even a third world country in this respect. With a porous border down south it becomes even more amazing that they keep a 'honor' system.

 

[agent00f]

Ahhh yet another angry butthurt liberal

Glenn1 is/was in the military where his white welfare checks (& healthcare) were forcibly extricated from people like me by the gubmint.

If fiscal conservatives had any integrity, they'd dismantle that entitlements system even if it means laying waste to red america.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You really bring nothing to the table, eh?

I remember back when you did.

I remember when people such as yourself used every means possible to suppress any comments against Hillary and just knew she would win. The butthurt is so bad you even made a thread crying about those who were enjoying the moment like was done by your side in 2008 and 2012.

Glenn1 is/was in the military where his white welfare checks (& healthcare) were forcibly extricated from people like me by the gubmint.

If fiscal conservatives had any integrity, they'd dismantle that entitlements system even if it means laying waste to red america.

I'm glad your hatred towards your fellow Americans is on full display. This hate by many on the left has been on display for quite some time now and it resulted in Trump being elected.

 

[sportage]

People are worried about what will happen.
Frankly, I think those that supported Trump should be the most concerned.
Donald Trump was and is their last great hope.
They already feel the system and establishment ON BOTH SIDES have let them down.
They truly believed Trump could and would deliver, but what if he does not?
Where do they turn next?

And I can't believe how naive people can be, especially when it comes to the agenda of republicans whenever given full control.
Never will they address jobs or the economy or show any concern for the middle class. Their only agenda, time after time, has been to go after the social issues.
Abortion, gays, merging religion into politics, and dismantling the safety nets.
This time will be no different.
And we all will realize this the very day Trump takes that oath.
We should think of that first 100 days as the last 100 days of America.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Wow gonna be a tough 4 years for some

 

[Vic]

I'm not sure anything is going to happen. Take a look at all these right win protest votes this year. The angry voters vote, the government does what it wants to anyway. Brexit might never happen. The Colombian government signed the peace treaty with FARC. And so forth.

 

[soundforbjt]

The only people who will really be hurt will be the poor and the lower middle class as always. The poor will lose the most.

 

[senseamp]

Nobody knows. There is a lot of uncertainty. But when Angela Merkel has to bring up human rights when congratulating the new POTUS like he is some third world dictator, it's not a good sign for America's global leadership.

 

[NostaSeronx]

No increase in tax revenue from the increased pay check from a two year associates/four year bachelor's degree with Rodham-Clinton/Sanders education plan. No increase in tax revenue from a horribly chopped up Warren Buffet/Sanders tax reform amendment. Deficits return to early Obama years and sky rocket to $2 to $3 tril when Russia invades NATO & AIR. While China takes control of Oceanic territories in the South China sea. Then, India does something even crazier by invading Africa or something. Israeli then commits ethnic cleansing someway without the world knowing. All because a majority in decline wanted good ole I am the Establishment Donnie.

 

[Vic]

I'm glad your hatred towards your fellow Americans is on full display. This hate by many on the left has been on display for quite some time now and it resulted in Trump being elected.

I don't see how what he said qualifies as hatred. There are a lot of Americans who are genuinely concerned about the blatant corruption in military and law enforcement. I applaud those who serve, but question the huge lifetime pensions with full benefits that many of them are getting. Defense contractors are running trillions over budget with seemingly no recourse. The city that I live in is nearly bankrupt under the burden of its fire and police pension fund, but it just renegotiated the police union contract (behind closed doors) to allow police officers to retire with full benefits at retirement age, and then be rehired with full seniority and pay without affecting their pension benefits (aka double dipping).
And yet if you dare question this obvious blatant government corruption, you hate America.

 

[agent00f]

I'm glad your hatred towards your fellow Americans is on full display. This hate by many on the left has been on display for quite some time now and it resulted in Trump being elected.

Personally, I can't be bothered to give a shit about people who're clearly in the game of actively sabotaging me. But worth pointing out those leftist cucks you keep talking about do for whatever reason.

I don't see how what he said qualifies as hatred. There are a lot of Americans who are genuinely concerned about the blatant corruption in military and law enforcement. I applaud those who serve, but question the huge lifetime pensions with full benefits that many of them are getting. Defense contractors are running trillions over budget with seemingly no recourse. The city that I live in is nearly bankrupt under the burden of its fire and police pension fund, but it just renegotiated the police union contract (behind closed doors) to allow police officers to retire with full benefits at retirement age, and then be rehired with full seniority and pay without affecting their pension benefits (aka double dipping).
And yet if you dare question this obvious blatant government corruption, you hate America.

The reality is the left loses because it tries to please everyone when the right protects its own while talking "fellow americans". Guess they only meant Real(tm) fellow americans.

 

[blankslate]

the Establishment DNC and DNC apologists in the P&N forums (you know who you dummkopfs are) will have learned nothing and will choose another centrist bansker-owned candidate. But maybe it'll work in 2020....


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[Jhhnn]

the Establishment DNC and DNC apologists in the P&N forums (you know who you dummkopfs are) will have learned nothing and will choose another centrist bansker-owned candidate. But maybe it'll work in 2020....


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Just here to tear down the dirty Democrats, huh?

Just wait until Trump & the Repubs turn loose the power of deregulated financialized multinational Capitalism. They'll try to finish the job that the Bush Admin started.