So, looks like the ps3 is completely hacked.

[Ross Ridge]

Next you'll be calling me a retard.

I already have.

 

[Ross Ridge]

I think Homebrew & PSN can live in harmony. Sony will figure how to weed out the cheaters and pirates. At least I hope so. I hate cheaters in games. Maybe they can use an anti-cheat thing like Valve uses.

Yah, ultimately the only the solution for cheating is going to be PC like solutions. You just can't implicitly trust that your code is going to run unmodifed on the PlayStation 3 anymore. Unfortunately, Sony is fighting this tooth and nail so it may be sometime before any sort of lasting harmony is acheived.

 

[tmc]

can someone explain the 3.55 hack (getting the sony private keys) made in layman terms - or provide a link to a site that explains it. i was under the impression - sony was screwed with the ps3 forever. apparently they changed the keys in 3.56. not sure what is going on. thanks.

 

[novasatori]

I think that geohot found a different key needed inside the os to run homebrew packages, but he didn't release his method itself, just the custom firmware and (outdated?) key

so I think that's why there isn't a patched 3.56, someone else has to figure out how geohot did it, since he obviously can't now (TRO / Lawsuit)

no guarantee I am 100% correct, I only read the info briefly..

the private key failoverflow found will enable them to find this all in time, its just a matter of someone else doing it again

edit:

heh i see sony already got the youtube videos taken down too, kinda funny... well the videos from fail overflow @ 273C conference were the best description of how they cracked the private key, if you can find copies or something that would be the best way to see how it was done..

 

[EightySix Four]

can someone explain the 3.55 hack (getting the sony private keys) made in layman terms - or provide a link to a site that explains it. i was under the impression - sony was screwed with the ps3 forever. apparently they changed the keys in 3.56. not sure what is going on. thanks.

They changed the keys one "level" down from the keys that were hacked and then created a whitelist for everything that had been signed previously. The new keys may be found, but the easiest way to deal with all of it is to just release a mod chip. With a mod chip and the keys that we know, you can flash whatever you want no matter what firmware they release.

 

[Ross Ridge]

can someone explain the 3.55 hack (getting the sony private keys) made in layman terms - or provide a link to a site that explains it. i was under the impression - sony was screwed with the ps3 forever. apparently they changed the keys in 3.56. not sure what is going on. thanks.

Assuming everything the hackers have said about what they've done is true all Sony can do is change lower level encryption keys, which apparently they were already doing with new firmware revisions anyways. They can't use new high-level keys to sign or encrypt the firmware, because no existing PlayStation 3 would accept the new keys, and they can't change the highest level encyption keys in existing PS3s because they're burned into an unwritable ROM.

Right now hackers are presumably taking the firmware download, unpacking and decrypting it using the keys they already have. They can then find out what the new lower-level keys are that they need to encrypt their homebrew and/or pirate tools with. Sony may have made it more difficult to find the keys this time, and might have put in some extra code in that tries to detect unauthorized software. Eventually though they'll find the keys, and either hide their tools from detection or just patch it out completely.

This I assume will go on for a while, with Sony producing new firmware versions that try to hide the new keys better, and hackers finding them anyways. Eventually either Sony or the hackers will give up. My bet is that ordinary PlayStation 3 users will give up on the console long before the hackers do.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I already have.

Then you're irrelevant. Find another thread to shit in.

 

[gorcorps]

So I wanted to see what all this was about so I went googling. Just a couple hours later I have custom firmware and a game manager which lets you backup your discs onto drives. It works and was pretty stupidly easy. If I wanted to spend a couple more hours I'd be able to get PSN access even though I'm currently using outdated fw.

The only thing I see stopping even more rampant piracy is that the backups are obviously massive (18-25 gigs) which may deter those without much storage space or patience. Still, if you can get a hold of the disc just once then you can back it up fairly quickly. Not good news for us as it will probably bring worse DRM or keys. What's worse is that it looks like PSN games are also being copied somehow, but since they're smaller games it'll be easier to get them. Very bad news for the smaller devs that make PSN and Live games.

 

[DivideBYZero]

So I wanted to see what all this was about so I went googling. Just a couple hours later I have custom firmware and a game manager which lets you backup your discs onto drives. It works and was pretty stupidly easy. If I wanted to spend a couple more hours I'd be able to get PSN access even though I'm currently using outdated fw.

The only thing I see stopping even more rampant piracy is that the backups are obviously massive (18-25 gigs) which may deter those without much storage space or patience. Still, if you can get a hold of the disc just once then you can back it up fairly quickly. Not good news for us as it will probably bring worse DRM or keys. What's worse is that it looks like PSN games are also being copied somehow, but since they're smaller games it'll be easier to get them. Very bad news for the smaller devs that make PSN and Live games.

Agreed. I'm sure all the homebrew supporters will be jumping all over you for wanting to kill off their choice to run pointless little apps on a games console, while 99.9% of the user base gets fucked.

 

[purbeast0]

So I wanted to see what all this was about so I went googling. Just a couple hours later I have custom firmware and a game manager which lets you backup your discs onto drives. It works and was pretty stupidly easy. If I wanted to spend a couple more hours I'd be able to get PSN access even though I'm currently using outdated fw.

The only thing I see stopping even more rampant piracy is that the backups are obviously massive (18-25 gigs) which may deter those without much storage space or patience. Still, if you can get a hold of the disc just once then you can back it up fairly quickly. Not good news for us as it will probably bring worse DRM or keys. What's worse is that it looks like PSN games are also being copied somehow, but since they're smaller games it'll be easier to get them. Very bad news for the smaller devs that make PSN and Live games.

18-25gb for games is pretty rare... most games are closer to 10gb and under.

 

[Bman123]

I am all for people backing up games that they physically own, but the people that are just renting the games and ripping them is just wrong.

I would like to back up games that my daughter plays so she doesn't lose, break or ruin them but I have no clue of how to do it

 

[gorcorps]

18-25gb for games is pretty rare... most games are closer to 10gb and under.

Hmmm, guess you're right. I was just going off of the few I own and saw on the seedier parts of the net, which were PS3 exclusives and they were all massive. The non-exclusives seem to be much smaller which makes sense as they were also designed to fit on DVDs.

 

[purbeast0]

Hmmm, guess you're right. I was just going off of the few I own and saw on the seedier parts of the net, which were PS3 exclusives and they were all massive. The non-exclusives seem to be much smaller which makes sense as they were also designed to fit on DVDs.

yea a lot of the exclusives also have a lot of FMV in em which takes up tons of space too.

god of war, uncharted, ratchet and clank, killzone

 

[SunnyD]

Looks like the war is just starting. Cali judge GRANTED the injunction against Geohotz and Sony issued a DMCA takedown to Github today.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Good.

 

[tommo123]

good what? not being able to fully use hardware you own? screw that

anyway, files still available in servers in other countries. freeeeeedooom!

 

[MikeyLSU]

I don't believe sony will be able to ever stop this other than delaying hackers for a few hours/days at a time for each firmware update.

But then it is an annoyance to everyone who has to do an update every week or so.

 

[Bman123]

If I knew how to do it I would do it in a heartbeat. Just so I could back up the games that I physically own. Everyday when I get home I expect to hear my daughter say I lost or broke LBP2 or it doesnt work anymore.

I'm sure people with kids can understand where I am coming from. I wish I could install the games and still play online, that would be awesome but I dont think I can do that. Hell I dont even know how to mod my PS3 to start with so I can install my games LOL

 

[tommo123]

damned easy to do tbh. just check out ps3news for info for example.

 

[purbeast0]

If I knew how to do it I would do it in a heartbeat. Just so I could back up the games that I physically own. Everyday when I get home I expect to hear my daughter say I lost or broke LBP2 or it doesnt work anymore.

I'm sure people with kids can understand where I am coming from. I wish I could install the games and still play online, that would be awesome but I dont think I can do that. Hell I dont even know how to mod my PS3 to start with so I can install my games LOL

if you know how to read, you can do this easily.

and i'm assuming you know how to read since you are on a forum

 

[Bman123]

if you know how to read, you can do this easily.

and i'm assuming you know how to read since you are on a forum

LOL, I only have a small flash drive it's 256mb I hope the files fit on it

 

[purbeast0]

LOL, I only have a small flash drive it's 256mb I hope the files fit on it

it does, the fw is like 170mb.

 

[DivideBYZero]

good what? not being able to fully use hardware you own? screw that

anyway, files still available in servers in other countries. freeeeeedooom!

Oh yeah, I can fully use my hardware to... well, not play games, as the viability of the platform has been fucked by parasitic shit sacks stealing games under the guise of 'freedom'. You disgust me. D:

 

[tommo123]

Oh yeah, I can fully use my hardware to... well, not play games, as the viability of the platform has been fucked by parasitic shit sacks stealing games under the guise of 'freedom'. You disgust me. D:

tough. sorry, but tough. oh, and it's been fucked by sony removing the other OS feature. that's what lead to this.

the box is open and the info is going nowhere.

 

[DivideBYZero]

tough. sorry, but tough. oh, and it's been fucked by sony removing the other OS feature. that's what lead to this.

the box is open and the info is going nowhere.

*yawn* The removal of 'other OS' is no justification. None at all, and you don't sound sorry at all, in fact you seem to want the platform to fail. With people acting with this douche bag attitude it will.