So, looks like the ps3 is completely hacked.

[meltdown75]

believe me, i'd love to be able to play all the games i own without having to switch discs all the time. i think that is the single biggest drawback to my PS3. maybe Sony can figure out some way to do this for people that have purchased games. to take away from the incentives of hacking or using custom firmware. someone i know is already selling all of their games and has them backed up to his drive. he "never uses" the PSN network and says he can do roster updates via a USB device.

what about game updates? can they also be done via usb? there has to be some deterrence to never being able to access PSN?

i love my PS3 as it is... then again, i'm not like most "hackers" and i completely know why they are doing what they do. back in the day, i was importing "warez" to my BBS. so part of me sympathizes with both sides

this is basically a win-win... sucks for the devs but i think ultimately the fact that the PS3 has been hacked could end up increasing the desirability of owning one... obviously the 360 wouldn't have taken as big of a share of the market if it had never been hacked.

 

[tommo123]

what about game updates? can they also be done via usb? there has to be some deterrence to never being able to access PSN?

downloadable, otherwise you cut off people with no net access. and yes, some people still have no net access ( a guy at work didn't for 2 years as he'd have to pay loads for a line installation as it was a new property or something).

 

[meltdown75]

downloadable, otherwise you cut off people with no net access. and yes, some people still have no net access ( a guy at work didn't for 2 years as he'd have to pay loads for a line installation as it was a new property or something).

without the internet... wow. i'd read a ridiculous amount of books.

 

[tommo123]

i know.

some dont use it for more than email and facebook though remember, and smartphones/work internet access do for them. no need for a home one.

1 reason why i think it'll be a while before we have mandatory connections for consoles. would alienate a fair few people

 

[EightySix Four]

*yawn* The removal of 'other OS' is no justification. None at all, and you don't sound sorry at all, in fact you seem to want the platform to fail. With people acting with this douche bag attitude it will.

Yes it is. It was a feature, and Sony took it away. How would you feel if you took your car in for service and they disabled two cylinders because the cars were just too fast for the road? Sure, some people would be ok with it, they didn't buy it for the power, but others would be pissed. So people start modding the cars to get the performance back, and they realize that there was even more power to be had. Some people would do stupid shit with the power on the road, others would use it on the track where it belongs.

 

[Crow550]

This just makes the PS3 more like a PC. Big deal. As a PC user you make the choice if you want to do bad things with it or not. Right?

So jail breaking your console is no big deal. Sure some will abuse it.

That's just the way it is. Some of us like using homebrew apps.

As for the PS3. I think it's too soon to mess with homebrew & too messy. I do not think this will hurt PS3 sales and I'm sure PSN issues will be fixed.

I hope so I want to be able to play online without hackers and cheaters and if now I have the option to run hombrew apps that's cool too.

As for the copying thing....I'm sure pirates have been doing that since the PS3 came out and mod chips were released....Sadly pirates are gonna pirate....

So it's not the end of the world for Sony or gamers. Things will get ironed out. homebrewers & Sony will live in harmony.

Or Homebrew will get blocked. Big deal. Whatever happens....Well see....

 

[mizzou]

I'm purposefully putting off my PS3 purchase until I hear more about this

 

[DivideBYZero]

Yes it is. It was a feature, and Sony took it away. How would you feel if you took your car in for service and they disabled two cylinders because the cars were just too fast for the road? Sure, some people would be ok with it, they didn't buy it for the power, but others would be pissed. So people start modding the cars to get the performance back, and they realize that there was even more power to be had. Some people would do stupid shit with the power on the road, others would use it on the track where it belongs.

Poor analogy is poor. :thumbsdown:

It's not a reason to advocate opening up a closed system to piracy, not then, not now, and no amount of bleating and crying about Other OS justifies it.

 

[tommo123]

Poor analogy is poor. :thumbsdown:

It's not a reason to advocate opening up a closed system to piracy, not then, not now, and no amount of bleating and crying about Other OS justifies it.

yes it is. because you can is a good enough reason. you whining about it won't change that. what's done is done and there's nothing you or sony can do about it. so just suck it up and stop acting like such a little brat

it's our hardware, we own it, not sony. and we can and will do what we like to it.

 

[EightySix Four]

Sony dropped a root kit into their new firmware which can remotely execute code..

For those who are curious about the new PS3 security, it seems Sony has implemented something in 3.56 I mentioned here a few weeks ago that is the same as Microsoft uses to detect and ban 360's.

Mathieulh just posted about it on IRC.

Essentially Sony can now remotely execute code on the PS3 as soon as you connect. This can do whatever Sony wants it to do such as verifying system files or searching for homebrew. Sony can change the code and add new detection methods without any firmware updates and as the code executes remotely there is no reliable way to forge the replies.

Whilst it is possible to patch or remove this code from the firmware this will likely mean the end of playing CFW online (as PSN can just check before login that this is active) or at the very least mean it will be even easier for Sony to detect and ban users.

Judging from the fact that people can still connect using the proxy method it seems Sony hasn't activated any of this yet but the functions are there in the new firmware.

Good, now we can have our hacked firmwares and you can have a clean(er) online experience.

 

[DivideBYZero]

yes it is. because you can is a good enough reason. you whining about it won't change that. what's done is done and there's nothing you or sony can do about it. so just suck it up and stop acting like such a little brat

it's our hardware, we own it, not sony. and we can and will do what we like to it.

Sure thing, hippy.

<--- Trees for hugging are that way.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Sony dropped a root kit into their new firmware which can remotely execute code..



Good, now we can have our hacked firmwares and you can have a clean(er) online experience.

Good news.

 

[simonizor]

Poor analogy is poor. :thumbsdown:

It's not a reason to advocate opening up a closed system to piracy, not then, not now, and no amount of bleating and crying about Other OS justifies it.

Actually, it was a really good analogy. Perhaps you're just too wrapped up in your opinion to see it. What he described was pretty much exactly what Sony did with the other OS feature. The ability to install linux was advertised as a feature, and then they took it away. I'm sorry, but just because they say they can do it in their EULA doesn't make it legal. That would be like selling someone a house, telling them that it comes with a furnace, and then going back a year later and taking the furnace from them. I'm very surprised that a lawsuit hasn't come out of this yet.

 

[EightySix Four]

Actually, it was a really good analogy. Perhaps you're just too wrapped up in your opinion to see it. What he described was pretty much exactly what Sony did with the other OS feature. The ability to install linux was advertised as a feature, and then they took it away. I'm sorry, but just because they say they can do it in their EULA doesn't make it legal. That would be like selling someone a house, telling them that it comes with a furnace, and then going back a year later and taking the furnace from them. I'm very surprised that a lawsuit hasn't come out of this yet.

It has, there's a couple of different suits, and one country whose DoJ is doing an investigation.

I also do not understand why it was a bad analogy, he's just one of the pissed ones who is afraid of being wiped out by someone driving too fast

 

[DivideBYZero]

Actually, it was a really good analogy. Perhaps you're just too wrapped up in your opinion to see it. What he described was pretty much exactly what Sony did with the other OS feature. The ability to install linux was advertised as a feature, and then they took it away. I'm sorry, but just because they say they can do it in their EULA doesn't make it legal. That would be like selling someone a house, telling them that it comes with a furnace, and then going back a year later and taking the furnace from them. I'm very surprised that a lawsuit hasn't come out of this yet.

It was advertised as a feature at one time, not promissed forever, and plaintiffs will need to prove that they bought it solely on the basis of this functionality, which 99.9% didn't. Sony have proved that their EULA doesn't give the owner rights to the feature set held in the firmware and to say that an EULA is not legally enforceable then maybe you should advise the entire software industry that you now consider them all null and void, as that's pretty much how ish is done.

Regardless of those facts, the groups whose freedom you hold so dear, those who hacked and released the root keys, are to blame for you not having Other OS, not Sony. But I'll let you rant on about how 'evil' Sony are for wanting to prevent a meltdown of a decent platform because 8 dweebs want to put yellow dog on their PS3 while wearing their robes and wizard hats.

 

[MikeyLSU]

I don't care about Other OS or the hacking at all, but how would you feel if Sony took away all the other "features" like online play, media server, friends list(all online parts inc. PSN).

Basically you can put a game in and play it single player.

I mean, not everyone uses those things so it must be useless. Fact is, they shouldn't be taking away something that came with the system.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I don't care about Other OS or the hacking at all, but how would you feel if Sony took away all the other "features" like online play, media server, friends list(all online parts inc. PSN).

Basically you can put a game in and play it single player.

I mean, not everyone uses those things so it must be useless. Fact is, they shouldn't be taking away something that came with the system.

Are all those features you mention a gateway to exploitation of the platform for neffarious activities, like Other OS was? :whiste:

 

[EightySix Four]

It was advertised as a feature at one time, not promissed forever, and plaintiffs will need to prove that they bought it solely on the basis of this functionality, which 99.9&#37; didn't.

That doesn't make any sense. So you buy a 1080p TV and a new required firmware update makes it 720p... Are you really going to argue that it was advertised as a feature at one time and not guaranteed? This is a stupid fucking argument. Apple's iTunes UELA also says you can't use it to make nuclear weapons... Can we really take them seriously?

Regardless of those facts, the groups whose freedom you hold so dear, those who hacked and released the root keys, are to blame for you not having Other OS, not Sony. But I'll let you rant on about how 'evil' Sony are for wanting to prevent a meltdown of a decent platform because 8 dweebs want to put yellow dog on their PS3 while wearing their robes and wizard hats.

Your time line is fucked up, Geohot started to hack OtherOS on PS3 fat so he could install it on a PS3 Slim, which Sony had already taken it away from. The next firmware removed it from the fat.

I seriously hope you're trolling, because this line of argument is truly ridiculous. Depressingly so.

 

[Ross Ridge]

Good, now we can have our hacked firmwares and you can have a clean(er) online experience.

It's still possible to work around this, at least in theory. Software on the PlayStation 3 runs under a hypervisor, and with the hypervisor its possible to create multiple virtual machines. They could create a second virtual machine in which the original unmodified firmware runs and have the PSN code run in that. It could be very tricky to handle with hacked games, switching back and forth between modified and unmodified game at the right times, but could work for unmodified (pirated or not) games running under a modified firmware.

It would be a lot of work, so I don't know the hackers will try that. They may find it easier to just hide their modifications from the PSN code of the day. Also if the PSN code runs in the hypervisor, then virtualizing the hypervisor while possible, would be a lot more difficult.

 

[purbeast0]

It was advertised as a feature at one time, not promissed forever, and plaintiffs will need to prove that they bought it solely on the basis of this functionality, which 99.9% didn't.

LOLOL

wow, there is absolutely no words to describe how fucking stupid that claim is. none at all. probably the stupidest thing i've ever read on anandtech and i've been here a very long time.

 

[DivideBYZero]

LOLOL

wow, there is absolutely no words to describe how fucking stupid that claim is. none at all. probably the stupidest thing i've ever read on anandtech and i've been here a very long time.

Why don't you detail how fucking stupid it is then, rather than crowing with the masses, you coward?

 

[HeXen]

many ppl are dropping household internet in favor of just using their Cell phone acess. I know of several who just have blackberry's and iphones and no home phone or computer. These types of people are growing and possibly why tablets like the Galaxy tab with 3G are growing and appealing to them

 

[EightySix Four]

It's still possible to work around this, at least in theory. Software on the PlayStation 3 runs under a hypervisor, and with the hypervisor its possible to create multiple virtual machines. They could create a second virtual machine in which the original unmodified firmware runs and have the PSN code run in that. It could be very tricky to handle with hacked games, switching back and forth between modified and unmodified game at the right times, but could work for unmodified (pirated or not) games running under a modified firmware.

It would be a lot of work, so I don't know the hackers will try that. They may find it easier to just hide their modifications from the PSN code of the day. Also if the PSN code runs in the hypervisor, then virtualizing the hypervisor while possible, would be a lot more difficult.

While theoretically possible, the amount of processing power it would take isn't worth it. They'll let a few get banned, patch, and then wait. Same model as Xbox 360. It's faster and there's always some idiot who will get himself banned to give the "hackers" more information.

many ppl are dropping household internet in favor of just using their Cell phone acess. I know of several who just have blackberry's and iphones and no home phone or computer. These types of people are growing and possibly why tablets like the Galaxy tab with 3G are growing and appealing to them

Wrong thread?

 

[RavenSEAL]

LOLOL

wow, there is absolutely no words to describe how fucking stupid that claim is. none at all. probably the stupidest thing i've ever read on anandtech and i've been here a very long time.

It is in their ToS that they have the ability to remove any features without warning. You agreed to it, anyone that created a PSN account agreed to it.

 

[EightySix Four]

It is in their ToS that they have the ability to remove any features without warning. You agreed to it, anyone that created a PSN account agreed to it.

That doesn't mean as much as you'd think. A few cases where the EULA and ToS agreements were taken advantage of have been seen in court and the plaintiffs won. It's a very dangerous proposition that an advertised feature can be taken away in the future due to a EULA/ToS that wasn't presented prior to the purchase of the product. As I said previously, if I was a lawyer (working on it ), I'd be chomping at the bit to get this case.