So, looks like the ps3 is completely hacked.

[Terzo]

It's a good thing Sony removed other OS in order to maintain a secure platform :awe:

Good news though. Even if PSN isn't available, I rarely use it (mainly just for game demos). I'll probably look into this, and if it's easy enough, toy around with it. It'd be nice to install games to the hard drive, and I would enjoy playing around with linux on the ps3.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

It's a good thing Sony removed other OS in order to maintain a secure platform :awe:

Good news though. Even if PSN isn't available, I rarely use it (mainly just for game demos). I'll probably look into this, and if it's easy enough, toy around with it. It'd be nice to install games to the hard drive, and I would enjoy playing around with linux on the ps3.

Linux on the PS3 sucks balls.

Also its posts like these that get these threads perma banned

 

[Homerboy]

Linux on the PS3 sucks balls.

Also its posts like these that get these threads perma banned

Out of curiosity, what in his post would get the thread "perma-banned"? I think you mean locked (as people get banned, not threads). I still don't see what's so taboo about his specific post.

 

[Minjin]

Why would the thread be locked? Wasn't that the whole point of the recent court case? That hacking/jailbreaking/rooting your electronic devices, while against TOS, is perfectly legal?

 

[RavenSEAL]

So basically, all this means was that they found keys that will allow people to modify the firmware and install linux?

People already been doing this with the PSP...for a while.

From my point of view:

Big whoop, another sign why PC gaming has been and will continue to be above consoles. Better hardware, better software, less trash.

Sony is not gonna be happy, overflow knows the Interpol are gonna be knocking on the door soon with a court date notice.

Believe it or not, multi-billion dollar international corporation > internet hackers, hell is gonna break loose and sony will eventually find a fix. If they find a way to separate consoles that are hacked, from those not hacked, they'll gladly do the same thing microsoft did.

What is this going to lead to? Sony & microsoft are soon going to start forcing software developers to establish DRM methods, CD keys and active internet connections to even play single player would not surprise me for next gen consoles, or even current gen. Even worse? possibility, open your console beyond what they allow you to? bye bye forever, ain't gonna turn on again.

By the way, what do these hackers get out of all this? A smile on their faces and spending the next two years fighting billion dollar corps in an international court? Not my kind of like style...

In the end, i'll keep buying AAA titles on PC for $10-$30, buy a few console exclusive titles such as uncharted, resistance, etc. and keep enjoying gaming like i already do, legitimately, spending my hard earned money to buy their hard worked products.

 

[BD2003]

So basically, all this means was that they found keys that will allow people to modify the firmware and install linux?

No, they found keys that will let them install ANYTHING. The claim was that they did this primarily to restore linux, but thats what theyd say anyway. Whatever the actual reason they did it, it opens up some very nefarious possibility, the most obvious is widespread, easy piracy.

From my point of view:

Big whoop, another sign why PC gaming has been and will continue to be above consoles. Better hardware, better software, less trash.

Sony is not gonna be happy, overflow knows the Interpol are gonna be knocking on the door soon with a court date notice.

What they did is now perfectly legal, in the US at least. Interpol will not come knocking.

Believe it or not, multi-billion dollar international corporation > internet hackers, hell is gonna break loose and sony will eventually find a fix. If they find a way to separate consoles that are hacked, from those not hacked, they'll gladly do the same thing microsoft did.

You clearly have not been on this earth for very long if thats what you think. The hackers always win. ALWAYS. Sony might find a fix, and the hackers will break it, again and again. This has been the story for every other console that has ever existed, and will likely continue to exist. What youre not understanding here is its not the hardware thats been hacked, but the software. The playstation doesnt have to be modified at all to run whatever software people want, including backups.

What is this going to lead to? Sony & microsoft are soon going to start forcing software developers to establish DRM methods, CD keys and active internet connections to even play single player would not surprise me for next gen consoles, or even current gen.

Perhaps, but hackers will probably find a way around that too, just like they have on the PC, no matter how crazy the DRM. And the reason people use consoles is because theyre easy - making it difficult for the sake of preventing piracy is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. They want to sell these things to grandma, not just hacker kids.

Even worse? possibility, open your console beyond what they allow you to? bye bye forever, ain't gonna turn on again.

That would be unprecedented, and probably illegal for them to do that. And hackers would still probably find a way around it.

By the way, what do these hackers get out of all this? A smile on their faces and spending the next two years fighting billion dollar corps in an international court? Not my kind of like style...

They get prestige I guess, but the actual hackers have every right to do what they did. Maybe youre too young to have a worldview thats a little less fond of authority, but I'll be shocked if anything legal comes out of this.

In the end, i'll keep buying AAA titles on PC for $10-$30, buy a few console exclusive titles such as uncharted, resistance, etc. and keep enjoying gaming like i already do, legitimately, spending my hard earned money to buy their hard worked products.

Good for you, I guess?

 

[RavenSEAL]

Interpol protects international IPRs and Sony can easily file for damages.

Where are these hackers based out of anyways?

 

[Ross Ridge]

One thing though, being able to run unsigned code doesn't necessarily mean that PlayStation 3 is completely hacked. The code signing just exists to prevent third parties from releasing games for the console without Sony's permission. Copy protection is seperate, otherwise you be able to burn a new Blu-Ray copy with an identically signed disc and pirate games that way. No one knows the Xbox 360 signing keys, but you can play pirated games on that platform by using loading custom firmware in to the DVD drive to defeat the copy protection. On my PlayStation 2 I can run homebrew software using the Indepedence Exploit, but I can't play pirated games. (At least not without taking additional steps to defeat the copy protection.)

Though, I wonder how they'd be able to get the signing keys,. Using private/public key signing the console wouldn't actually need to know the private key used to sign the code, just the public key to verify it. Hmm.... apparently they're claiming to exploit some weakness in Sony's key generation.

 

[EightySix Four]

One thing though, being able to run unsigned code doesn't necessarily mean that PlayStation 3 is completely hacked. The code signing just exists to prevent third parties from releasing games for the console without Sony's permission. Copy protection is seperate, otherwise you be able to burn a new Blu-Ray copy with an identically signed disc and pirate games that way. No one knows the Xbox 360 signing keys, but you can play pirated games on that platform by using loading custom firmware in to the DVD drive to defeat the copy protection. On my PlayStation 2 I can run homebrew software using the Indepedence Exploit, but I can't play pirated games. (At least not without taking additional steps to defeat the copy protection.)

Though, I wonder how they'd be able to get the signing keys,. Using private/public key signing the console wouldn't actually need to know the private key used to sign the code, just the public key to verify it. Hmm.... apparently they're claiming to exploit some weakness in Sony's key generation.

With the private keys they can write loaders which ignore the copy protection, in the original Xbox they just "removed" the key check from the BIOS. Sony had to have seriously screwed up for the private key to be discovered, it's nearly impossible to brute force one.

 

[BD2003]

Interpol protects international IPRs and Sony can easily file for damages.

Where are these hackers based out of anyways?

Again, your worldview is laughably naive. First off, Interpol is far more concerned with murderers and other real bad guys than a couple of dudes hacking consoles. Even if Interpol did give a shit, what crime have they committed?

They haven't pirated or counterfeited anything. They tinkered with their own consoles (perfectly legal). They are going to release tools for others to do the same (again, perfectly legal). They're absolutely not legally liable for anything that people do with their tools.

No idea where they're from, but it doesn't matter. They know they're safe and not doing anything illegal or immoral, so they do it out in public.

 

[Terzo]

Linux on the PS3 sucks balls.

Also its posts like these that get these threads perma banned

Out of curiosity, what in his post would get the thread "perma-banned"? I think you mean locked (as people get banned, not threads). I still don't see what's so taboo about his specific post.

This. What have I done to warrant a thread lock?

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

only the 360 really remains secure. Surprised it took as long as it did honestly.

Lol, what?

No sir. Plenty of 100% hacked 360s out there.

 

[Narmer]

So the real losers here are developers, right? I'm surprised, considering this is a tech site, that people would be happy here.

 

[RedRooster]

So the real losers here are developers, right? I'm surprised, considering this is a tech site, that people would be happy here.

You're talking Linux and XBMC developers, right? Gotta be. :ninja:

 

[RavenSEAL]

Again, your worldview is laughably naive. First off, Interpol is far more concerned with murderers and other real bad guys than a couple of dudes hacking consoles. Even if Interpol did give a shit, what crime have they committed?

They haven't pirated or counterfeited anything. They tinkered with their own consoles (perfectly legal). They are going to release tools for others to do the same (again, perfectly legal). They're absolutely not legally liable for anything that people do with their tools.

No idea where they're from, but it doesn't matter. They know they're safe and not doing anything illegal or immoral, so they do it out in public.

LOL, you're talking about multi-billion dollar company here buddy, money talks.

 

[BD2003]

Lol, what?

No sir. Plenty of 100% hacked 360s out there.

Sure, but a jtag or DVD drive mod is orders of magnitude more difficult than hacking a ps3 even before this. Compared to the wii and ps3 which don't even require hardware to mod, the 360 is way more secure.

 

[BD2003]

LOL, you're talking about multi-billion dollar company here buddy, money talks.

Talks to who? The justice system has thrown out more copyright infringement cases than anything. Authorities can't stop street counterfeiters, torrenters. Christ, our government cant even stop someone from leaking our diplomatic secrets, and you somehow imagine that these guys are going to be brought to justice for....what?

Seriously, no one is going to suffer any legal consequences over this. Mayve in your fantasy world where Sony is some kind of superhero, but not in the real world.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

This. What have I done to warrant a thread lock?

As soon as people start talking about any sort of piracy at all (Hell even inching toward that conversation), running things that violate stuff, flame wars over whether or not its justified, insta lock.

Prefer not to get into that stuff.

 

[gorcorps]

Hmmm... sounds like it may work a little TOO well. I'm normally in favor of a more open system, but it definitely sounds like life will be made hard by cheaters. And since it's not a premium subscription service, I don't think it'll be possible to ban all the cheaters. They'll just keep creating free accounts.

 

[SirFelixCat]

What would be the advantages(s) of doing this?

 

[chalmers]

What would be the advantages(s) of doing this?

Some of the main reasons people would do it would be to play burned games and have access to cheat programs over PSN.

 

[purbeast0]

Talks to who? The justice system has thrown out more copyright infringement cases than anything. Authorities can't stop street counterfeiters, torrenters. Christ, our government cant even stop someone from leaking our diplomatic secrets, and you somehow imagine that these guys are going to be brought to justice for....what?

Seriously, no one is going to suffer any legal consequences over this. Mayve in your fantasy world where Sony is some kind of superhero, but not in the real world.

dude don't even bother, seriously....

anyways, this is ALMOST as bad (as in easy) as the dreamcast hack back in the day.

dreamcast required no mod at all, software or hardware. just had to burn the games and pop em in. granted, no homebrew though.

 

[chalmers]

dude don't even bother, seriously....

anyways, this is ALMOST as bad (as in easy) as the dreamcast hack back in the day.

dreamcast required no mod at all, software or hardware. just had to burn the games and pop em in. granted, no homebrew though.

It seems to happen every cycle of generations, some just earlier than others. I remember my buddy hacking his XBox using the Splinter Cell exploit, no soldering or anything necessary. Was just as easy. Seems to just happen later and later in the generation now.

 

[BoberFett]

I'm definitely hoping for a legit port of xbmc without any of this dongle bullshit.

That would be sweet. The only reason I have an Xbox hooked up is for XBMC.

 

[BoberFett]

Has RavenSeal ever said anything intelligent on this forum?