So, looks like the ps3 is completely hacked.

[Ross Ridge]

...then you didn't hack the PS3 for non pitatey/cheater reasons.

In other words, the number reduced back to one

You were counting the number of people who wanted to hack their PlayStation 3, not those that actaully did. He bought a PS3, installed Linux on it, Sony removed OtherOS support, he wanted to hack it back in, couldn't and sold the PS3. So he meets the "want" criteria, or at least he did.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of homebrew support right now for the PS3, no OtherOS, and no XBMC. Anyone wanting to use their PS3 for non-piratey/cheaty resasons right now doesn't have much of a reason to hack their PS3 at the moment.

So if you're just counting people who's actually hacked their PS3, then yah, it's probably almost all pirates right now. If you're counting what people want to do with their PS3s then the numbers aren't as clear.

 

[mugs]

Dumac, you can't even follow what you said in this conversation?

How many do I know want to hack the PS3 for uses like research and simple greater flexibility from their hardware? One if I count you.
.

Now you have met two...well when I had a ps3, I sold mine after they removed linux.

...then you didn't hack the PS3 for non pitatey/cheater reasons.

In other words, the number reduced back to one

He responded that he wanted to, not that he did. Your words.

Also, you forgot to count me as 3.

I'm still not sure why any of this matters though. Sony is apparently capable of detecting the hacked systems and capable of banning them from online play. As long as Sony does ban them, they won't be affecting you.

 

[Dumac]

Dumac, you can't even follow what you said in this conversation?







He responded that he wanted to, not that he did. Your words.

Also, you forgot to count me as 3.

I'm still not sure why any of this matters though. Sony is apparently capable of detecting the hacked systems and capable of banning them from online play. As long as Sony does ban them, they won't be affecting you.

By WANT I meant actual desire, i.e. have done or planning to do in the near future.

It isn't really "wanting" something if you aren't actively pursuing it...

As for why it matters, in my opinion piracy is bad for the industry as a whole. Plus, it is bad press for Sony, which is bad for the PS3. And as far as banning them, tell that to the constant hackers I meet whenever I play online.

Anyway, I don't think anything legal should come of this. Still doesn't mean I can't dislike makers of the hack and almost every user of homebrew (with the exception of cool professors, of course).

 

[herkulease]

I don't believe sony has begun banning anyone yet. Its possibly they are double checking for false positives.

I wouldn't be surprise if they do what microsoft does. Flag people's console. Then at a certain point, it's usually with release of popular games(at least that what it seems), drop the ban hammer.

 

[ponyo]

So modded consoles can't access psn without workaround. Do you need psn to use the browser for internet surfing?

 

[Bman123]

nope

 

[smackababy]

I don't believe sony has begun banning anyone yet. Its possibly they are double checking for false positives.

I wouldn't be surprise if they do what microsoft does. Flag people's console. Then at a certain point, it's usually with release of popular games(at least that what it seems), drop the ban hammer.

From what I understand, MS bans at big dashboard updates and there is a trick to not getting banned if you stay offline. Now, I can't confirm or deny this, due to leaving my modded console offline.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Granted I may not be like most people, but I rarely ever play online with PS3, so I wouldn't be bothered by no online play. I do all online gaming on my PC.

I haven't played it in about 6 months, just use it for blu ray and streaming media. So if I could get XBMC or MKV support, that is a great trade for me. And yes, I would use the backup program to put my games on the HDD as it would be made much easier to play games...but not to pirate games.

I notice on my PC, the games that require a DVD in the drive are played FAR less than games on the HDD through things like steam. If you are only a console player, you probably just wouldn't understand as you have never known differently, but to some of us, it is a very good thing to not switch out discs all the time.

 

[BD2003]

Not having to swap discs is great. There's no moral issue that should prevent the legal owner from doing so. It's annoying that basic ease of use is affected by pirates, but there's no way around that. It's probably my single favorite thing about my modded ps3 now.

 

[mizzou]

Aside from all the morality questions, has sonys actuons solidified the ps3 will not turn into a hunk of unsupported hardware anyime soon?
Someone said this system may go the way of the dreamcast, etc.

I really want a ps3, but i may hold off if longevity is an issue or sony will abandon the system due to its rampant hacking and piracy.

Im assuming online updates will prevent or contain a system from dying but im interested in other peops views


I do NOT plan on modding the console, i just want it for what it is and does. Ps3 attracts me more then the xbox360

 

[purbeast0]

ps3 has been around way too long to go the route of the dreamcast. hell it's been out longer than the dreamcast was even around for. the dreamcast went south because the piracy came about so quickly and required no type of software mod at all. to get dreamcast games to run you didn't have to risk jacking up your console at all. all you needed was a cd burner and some blanks, and an internet connection (or just burn friends copies).

ps3 was released in 06 so this will be it's 5 year anniversary. sony claimed it will be on a 10 year cycle, so if you believe them, we're going to be at the half way point of it's life cycle this year.

whether that 10 year windows is true or not ... nobody knows and no one will know until they give us info on the PS4. like every other company out there, sony doesn't keep all of their promises, so there really is no telling how long it will be around.

if you want it for what it does right now, i don't see why the modding scene even really has anything to do w/your decision.

who is this person who said it may go the way of the dreamcast? just some random person on a forum or worthless analyst? or like a higher up at Sony?

 

[mizzou]

ps3 has been around way too long to go the route of the dreamcast. hell it's been out longer than the dreamcast was even around for. the dreamcast went south because the piracy came about so quickly and required no type of software mod at all. to get dreamcast games to run you didn't have to risk jacking up your console at all. all you needed was a cd burner and some blanks, and an internet connection (or just burn friends copies).

ps3 was released in 06 so this will be it's 5 year anniversary. sony claimed it will be on a 10 year cycle, so if you believe them, we're going to be at the half way point of it's life cycle this year.

whether that 10 year windows is true or not ... nobody knows and no one will know until they give us info on the PS4. like every other company out there, sony doesn't keep all of their promises, so there really is no telling how long it will be around.

if you want it for what it does right now, i don't see why the modding scene even really has anything to do w/your decision.

who is this person who said it may go the way of the dreamcast? just some random person on a forum or worthless analyst? or like a higher up at Sony?

Random person. Ive got tons of.$$$ credit at gamestop and will be making a purchase in a few weeks once i get some more $ rolling in from a pending MIR.

The hacking had me worried, esp since the ps3 has been playing second fiddle when it comes to sales and company profit margins.

Really lookin for the console and ps3 exclusives. Most good xbox games i like i can already play on k
My computer

 

[Bman123]

This 3.56 is some BS. I am putting my PS3 on craigslist today and see if I can sell it for a decent amount. I would think that if I buy a new PS3 it should come with lower firmware then 3.56 Heck right now I could care less and buy a used PS3 from gamestop with a warranty as long as it is under 3.56

 

[smackababy]

ps3 has been around way too long to go the route of the dreamcast. hell it's been out longer than the dreamcast was even around for. the dreamcast went south because the piracy came about so quickly and required no type of software mod at all. to get dreamcast games to run you didn't have to risk jacking up your console at all. all you needed was a cd burner and some blanks, and an internet connection (or just burn friends copies).

ps3 was released in 06 so this will be it's 5 year anniversary. sony claimed it will be on a 10 year cycle, so if you believe them, we're going to be at the half way point of it's life cycle this year.

whether that 10 year windows is true or not ... nobody knows and no one will know until they give us info on the PS4. like every other company out there, sony doesn't keep all of their promises, so there really is no telling how long it will be around.

if you want it for what it does right now, i don't see why the modding scene even really has anything to do w/your decision.

who is this person who said it may go the way of the dreamcast? just some random person on a forum or worthless analyst? or like a higher up at Sony?

The Dreamcast was still having titles published to it until 2007. That is a 9 year run. Pretty good for a "failed" console.

 

[purbeast0]

This 3.56 is some BS. I am putting my PS3 on craigslist today and see if I can sell it for a decent amount. I would think that if I buy a new PS3 it should come with lower firmware then 3.56 Heck right now I could care less and buy a used PS3 from gamestop with a warranty as long as it is under 3.56

i don't understand ... can you elaborate?

 

[Ross Ridge]

This 3.56 is some BS. I am putting my PS3 on craigslist today and see if I can sell it for a decent amount. I would think that if I buy a new PS3 it should come with lower firmware then 3.56 Heck right now I could care less and buy a used PS3 from gamestop with a warranty as long as it is under 3.56

Yah, I'm not sure what the problem is here either. If you can't already, it shouldn't be long before you can either install hacked 3.56 firmware or downgrade to 3.55 hacked firmware.

 

[herkulease]

3.56 supposedly has a rootkit but the other problem is like intial 3.41? I forgot you couldn't upgrade your hard drive. I'm sure sony will fix that part up.

 

[Bman123]

I have talked to a few people I know locally about it and they all said they don't think someone will come out with anything that will let you back up your games on 3.56
They all think you wont be able to downgrade the firmware.

I got someone calling me now about buying my ps3 on craigslist for $250. I'll just sell mine for $250 and buy a used one for $229 then a warranty which will make it like $260-$270 then I can just back up my games tonight instead of waiting for something that probably wont happen.

I play the 360 online anyways as it's alot better, I dont care about not getting on PSN with the PS3, it will never have a ethernet cable hooked up to it lol

 

[Bman123]

Hopefully this dude comes over soon, that way I can head to ebgames real quick. I just gotta check the PS3 before I leave the store and make sure it is on 3.55 or older firmware.

I have replaced so many games in the past. So when I heard about all of this I got real excited. Even if it costs me $40-$50 out of pocket to get another ps3 it is worth it if I save a game or 2 from getting destroyed.

 

[purbeast0]

I have talked to a few people I know locally about it and they all said they don't think someone will come out with anything that will let you back up your games on 3.56
They all think you wont be able to downgrade the firmware.

I got someone calling me now about buying my ps3 on craigslist for $250. I'll just sell mine for $250 and buy a used one for $229 then a warranty which will make it like $260-$270 then I can just back up my games tonight instead of waiting for something that probably wont happen.

I play the 360 online anyways as it's alot better, I dont care about not getting on PSN with the PS3, it will never have a ethernet cable hooked up to it lol

lol are your local people in the scene and working on the fw hacks?

why don't they think someone will come out w/anything tha tiwll let you back up you games on the new fw or downgrade the fw?

infact I think you can downgrade your firmware at any point you want if you do it from recovery mode. not 100% certain on this but I had to put the custom firmware on in recovery mode because i already had 3.55 on my ps3, and it thought i was trying to install the same fw on it when i went through normal system update. so it failed. of course you need the older firmware files though.

unlike your local people, i think STRONGLY that there will be a way to run custom fw on 3.56 and beyond, and that it will come out very soon, especially with the new ps3hub thing that was announced this past week.

 

[Bman123]

YEah my local people do work on that kind of stuff, he did alot of mods to the original xbox and he was the first person I heard anything from about modding the original xbox. From what I have been reading online you cannot downgrade the 3.56 firmware. My people said that the 3.56 put a root kit in and it wont allow you to downgrade.

Believe me I tried to downgrade my 3.56 but nothing happened, I kept getting a error message, I tried doing it in recovery mode and it didnt work that way either.

Gamestop has new 160gb ps3's with little big planet 2 bundled in for $299. I would love to buy a new PS3 but I dont know what firmware is gonna be on it. With buying a used one I can at least test it out in the store before I buy it to verify it is on 3.55 or older, I cant do that with a new one.

 

[Bman123]

The issue with that is I pay $299 for a new one and get a 1 year warranty on a 160gb and get LBP2 and I dont know what firmware is on it until I get home. If i buy used I can get a 80gb for $239 but then the warranty is $50 so it's $289 and it's half the hard drive space but I can check it out before I pay for it and make sure it is on 3.55 or earlier

I got someone to buy my 160gb for $225 on craigslist right now, I am just trying to decide on what I want to do

 

[herkulease]

you can go buy one a new right now and still get 3.55 or lower. 3.56 was just put out. there's no way to for sony to update all the stuff on the shelf and probably for a few more weeks as shipments arrive.

Stores won't bother pulling them to grade the firmware either.

amazon is currently giving a 50 credit toward game purchases with a ps3. Frys is giving a 50 dollar GC. I"m sure BB, target and others have some deals too.

 

[Ross Ridge]

My people said that the 3.56 put a root kit in and it wont allow you to downgrade.

Yah, the "rootkit" in 3.56 doesn't have anything to do with your ability to downgrade or install hacked firmware. It just lets Sony download code to your console and run it whenever you connect to the PlayStation Network. If you don't ever connect to PSN the "rootkit" does nothing, and even if you do, it won't do anything unless it detects that your 3.56 firmware has been hacked. It doesn't prevent you from downgrading or installing any new hacked firmware (which presumably will just remove the "rootkit"). Other things like new encryption keys prevent that, but the hackers should figure all that out soon and create new properly signed and encrypted firmware and downgraders.

Ultimately the only thing the "rootkit" prevents you from doing is connecting to PSN with hacked firmware. According to reports, the "rootkit" doesn't even do that yet. So far Sony hasn't used it to kick anyone off PSN, and hacked versions of the 3.55 firmware can still connect to PSN using proxies that make the 3.55 firmware look like 3.56.

 

[Bman123]

you can go buy one a new right now and still get 3.55 or lower. 3.56 was just put out. there's no way to for sony to update all the stuff on the shelf and probably for a few more weeks as shipments arrive.

Stores won't bother pulling them to grade the firmware either.

amazon is currently giving a 50 credit toward game purchases with a ps3. Frys is giving a 50 dollar GC. I"m sure BB, target and others have some deals too.

With my luck I will end up getting one with the new firmware haha. What was the release date for the 3.56 firmware? That way when I go buy a new one I can just look at the MFG date on the console and hopefully by the date be able to tell if I am on 3.55 or not before I even get home.