So money does buy happiness . . .

madoka

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So says Gene Simmons

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/legendary-musician-gene-simmons-money-183007191.html

"Power and, yes, money will certainly increase your chances of making you, and those around you, healthier and happier," he writes in the book.

The notoriously blunt musician tells CNBC Make It that anyone who says otherwise is "so wrong."

"Money absolutely buys happiness," says Simmons. He gives this example: Imagine that your mother needs a hip replacement, he says, or that she's got cancer and has one chance of survival.

"Without money, you're f-----," he says. "If you cure your mother, or give to charity, or feed your child or protect your family — it is only money that can do that."

The outspoken musician explains that he doesn't prescribe to the notion that money is insignificant and all you need in life is love.

"That's a lie," he says, adding that money is not a "romantic idea."

"The Ethiopian woman on the sands of the Kalahari Desert in Africa gives her child all the love any child could ever want," he says. But that's not enough.

"She doesn't have any money or power," explains Simmons. "That child will be loved and will die in her arms."

The rock star adds that money is so vital because it allows you to meet your most basic physiological needs. In his book, the Kiss singer references the hierarchy of needs pyramid, which was developed by renowned psychologist Abraham Maslow.

Maslow's theory argues that there is an order in which humans worry about things they need to survive and flourish. At the very bottom of the pyramid are "physiological needs," which include food, shelter and clothing.

Higher up on the pyramid are needs like safety, love, esteem and self-actualization. However, says Simmons, you can't even begin to climb up the pyramid if you don't have money to sustain your most basic needs at the bottom rung.

Only when you have money to buy the items you need to survive can you begin to espouse love, says the musician. "First money, then love," he says, adding that "if you're going to be a miserable son of a b----, it's still better to be a rich miserable son of a b----."

Simmons reiterates the importance of acquiring money if you want to be happy and he uses lottery winners as an example.

"You ever see a person who wins the lottery and wins $100 million? How sad do they look?" he asks sarcastically.

"Money is the fuel of life," says the musician. "Without money, you're going nowhere."
 

tynopik

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"You ever see a person who wins the lottery and wins $100 million? How sad do they look?" he asks sarcastically.

maybe ask the same 10-20 years later? So many stories of lottery winners becoming absolute train wrecks

and his examples are horrible. yes you need a certain amount of money to meet your basic needs. however, above that level more money doesn't necessarily make you happier

as even he seems to acknowledge "if you're going to be a miserable son of a b----, it's still better to be a rich miserable son of a b----"
 

KIAman

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Whoever coined the term "money doesn't buy happiness" might have been more accurately trying to say "trying to acquire money through struggling, stress, sacrifice, life-sapping work won't make you happy." But if you happen to come into money without a lot of work, like lottery winners or other very lucky people, the saying really doesn't apply to them.

On the flip side, if you are wealthy at the cost of your social life, health and sanity, it probably wasn't worth it.
 
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nakedfrog

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Gene Simmons loves him some money. Like, a lot. He'd probably marry it if he could, and would make sure to sell as many tickets to the wedding as he could, with a fully-stocked souvenir shop on premises.
 
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rh71

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Hoarding money doesn't buy happiness. Spending it absolutely does. Nobody said you have to spend it all though.

Hey look at that, has anyone ever coined the phrase... "everything in moderation"?
 
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swanysto

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I am pretty sure that saying just meant that not all people with money are happy. Recent events prove that with people like Robin Williams and Chester Bennington. I don't think it was an be all end all statement. If I am being honest, the happiest people I know are either rich, or poor. I think it is cause neither of them are worried about stuff. The rich people have it, and the poor people could care less about it.

That being said, I can tell you, I would be a heck of a lot happier if I knew I didn't have to worry about paying bills, mortgages, college tuition's, etc.
 

Chaotic42

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Of course it does. With money I could buy land, travel, a nice house with nice things, and security for my family and friends. I don't know very many people whose problems couldn't be solved with more money.
 

skull

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I am pretty sure that saying just meant that not all people with money are happy. Recent events prove that with people like Robin Williams and Chester Bennington. I don't think it was an be all end all statement. If I am being honest, the happiest people I know are either rich, or poor. I think it is cause neither of them are worried about stuff. The rich people have it, and the poor people could care less about it.

That being said, I can tell you, I would be a heck of a lot happier if I knew I didn't have to worry about paying bills, mortgages, college tuition's, etc.

Amen, I'm just a lowly blue collar worker with low bills and a low mortgage. I have no problem paying either. I'm as happy as I could be, I guess its because I used to be poor so now with a little money in the bank life is fantastic even if I'm no where close to rich.
 

Thebobo

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Hoarding money doesn't buy happiness. Spending it absolutely does. Nobody said you have to spend it all though.

Hey look at that, has anyone ever coined the phrase... "everything in moderation"?

Never heard it before ~
 

Charmonium

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I'm watching the Flying Lizards vid and I'm thinking, gee, I wonder where they got all of the vintage equipment.


D'uh.
 
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Buying shit won't make you happy. I spent thousands upon thousands in my 20's buying stupid crap. None of it made me happy. In fact buying stuff probably added to my unhappiness by being an extra burden I didn't have before.
Now if I donated some money and saw that it really helped people in need I think that would definitely add value to my life.
 

skull

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Rich person tells poor people money doesn't buy happiness. Anyone who believes this is an idiot.

Why are you so miserable?

Far as I can tell people buy fancy stuff get tired of it and start looking for the next thing they think will make them happy. Problem for us commoners is we run out of money for we get there, making us miserable like you. Thats the only difference between us and the rich they just don't run out of money making things worse. If you don't blow all your money on stupid shit you don't need you'll be just fine.
 

Chaotic42

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Why are you so miserable?

Far as I can tell people buy fancy stuff get tired of it and start looking for the next thing they think will make them happy. Problem for us commoners is we run out of money for we get there, making us miserable like you. Thats the only difference between us and the rich they just don't run out of money making things worse. If you don't blow all your money on stupid shit you don't need you'll be just fine.

It's not about having stuff, it's about having financial security and the ability to pursue hobbies and interests instead of working all your life.
 

Red Squirrel

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I'd say it will buy a certain degree of happiness but you still have to be smart about it. If you win the lotto, nobody says you have to completely change your life around and spend ridiculously. A lot of people do that and end up blowing it all. Continue living more or less like you are, just buy nicer things. Get a nicer property or pay off your existing, etc. The biggest thing would be no longer having to worry about job security. If you get laid off, you have lot of money anyway. Me personally, I would keep working, I just wouldn't be as reliable. There is diminishing returns though, I'd say 1 mil is like the perfect amount. Anything more is not going to make you that much happier. Heck I would be happy with like half a million. Pay off the house, keep like 50k of play money, put the rest in a solid investment that can yield decent interest. More or less continue living the same way but without worrying as much about job security.
 

Perknose

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Money buys what it buys. It bought this guy her:



I'm sure he's deliriously ecstatic right now. How happy he remains down the line probably depends on how airtight his pre-nup is.
 
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bfun_x1

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Hedonic adaptation
maybe ask the same 10-20 years later? So many stories of lottery winners becoming absolute train wrecks

and his examples are horrible. yes you need a certain amount of money to meet your basic needs. however, above that level more money doesn't necessarily make you happier

as even he seems to acknowledge "if you're going to be a miserable son of a b----, it's still better to be a rich miserable son of a b----"

The theory that people will always return to the same level of happiness is called Hedonic Adaption or the Hedonic Treadmill. Studies on lottery winners have shown that once the thrill of personal gain wears off people will return to the same level of happiness that they were at before they won. In some ways it sounds like our set point for happiness is like our set point for body weight. We can raise and lower it but the body always wants to return to it's set state.

The hedonic treadmill, also known as hedonic adaptation, is the observed tendency of humans to quickly return to a relatively stable level of happiness despite major positive or negative events or life changes.[1] According to this theory, as a person makes more money, expectations and desires rise in tandem, which results in no permanent gain in happiness.
 
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madoka

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Money bought this guy Lucy Liu.



Spoiler alert:

He's a billionaire.
 
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