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skull

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It's not about having stuff, it's about having financial security and the ability to pursue hobbies and interests instead of working all your life.

If you don't buy a bunch of stuff you can live just fine with a low income and have financial security. You should pick a job you like then it'll feel more like a hobby. I'm set with a low income and a job I enjoy and I can't figure out why every one else whines all the time.
 

Chaotic42

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If you don't buy a bunch of stuff you can live just fine with a low income and have financial security. You should pick a job you like then it'll feel more like a hobby. I'm set with a low income and a job I enjoy and I can't figure out why every one else whines all the time.
Then I'd say you're pretty lucky.
 

skull

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Then I'd say you're pretty lucky.

Its not luck its just not being an idiot. All the negatives like why can't I be rich like them is what brings you down. You just have to realize the poor these days live better than rich people did 100 - 150 years ago. So stop complaining and enjoy your life.
 

Red Squirrel

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If you don't buy a bunch of stuff you can live just fine with a low income and have financial security. You should pick a job you like then it'll feel more like a hobby. I'm set with a low income and a job I enjoy and I can't figure out why every one else whines all the time.

Except most people have bills to pay, and that takes a good chunk of the pay cheque since they keep going up every year.
 

XavierMace

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Except most people have bills to pay, and that takes a good chunk of the pay cheque since they keep going up every year.

Most people also live way outside their means. They "have" to have a newer car, they "have" to have a bigger house, etc. I'm as guilty of this as anyone and I'm reminded of it every time I'm at my parents house. I have a higher yearly salary at 32 than he's ever had. He's always owned a home and two cars even while supporting a wife and two kids, and has a far larger savings account than I do. The difference is he's always bought more reasonable cars, he doesn't buy a bunch of computer upgrades he doesn't need, etc. I certainly haven't been any happier than he has.

I rarely comment (in person or online) on financial matters because I'm the poster child for buying new stuff I don't need. However to illustrate my point, I had a friend once complaining he was struggling to make ends meet. Living off ramen, sharing a studio with a friend, didn't have a car, etc. His roommate was in largely the same situation. I knew what he was making because I had worked at the same job previously so I offered to try to go through his finances with him to see if we could come up with anything because it didn't add up to me. Among his "necessities" was $120/mo for a cell plan with unlimited data in case one of his other "friends" left him stranded at a bar or something and he needed GPS to get home. That's just a laughably bad financial decision.

Learn to live within your means and you'll be far happier, regardless the size of those means. I had a friend who was quite happy living off welfare in what most would consider a shithole of a studio because he was making enough to eat and play video games. While I'm not advocating abusing welfare, the point was he was living within his means. Will more money help some people? Sure. But there's no shortage of people with plenty of money that still aren't happy.
 

Fardringle

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Money doesn't buy happiness, but it is a lot easier to cry while sitting in your mansion/yacht/luxury car, or on the beach on some remote vacation island..
 

Geekbabe

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Cancer patient weighs in here. I am happy but I work hard to be so. Knowing I will be able to afford cancer care & pay basic bills once I am too sick to work would make me a lot happier. Knowing I won’t leave an adult disabled child out on the streets after I die would boost my happiness level a thousand fold.
 

madoka

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Knowing I won’t leave an adult disabled child out on the streets after I die would boost my happiness level a thousand fold.

Wow. One of the most popular movies in Korea right now is the plot of your life. It's about a mother with terminal cancer who prepares her 30-year-old son with an intellectual disability on how to live on without her. It's supposed to be an incredible tearjerker from a country known for tearjerkers.

https://www.koreaboo.com/buzz/korean-movie-rumoured-saddest-film-will-ever-watch/
 

Sonikku

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I think there comes a threshold where there is diminishing returns on the amount of happiness more money gives you. But until you reach said threshold, money absolutely will make you more happy. It's hard to argue money wouldn't buy some happiness for a person so poor that they pass on lunch with a friend on account of the fact that they make their meals simply for not being able to afford $15 for a sit inside restaurant lunch.
 

Geekbabe

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Wow. One of the most popular movies in Korea right now is the plot of your life. It's about a mother with terminal cancer who prepares her 30-year-old son with an intellectual disability on how to live on without her. It's supposed to be an incredible tearjerker from a country known for tearjerkers.

https://www.koreaboo.com/buzz/korean-movie-rumoured-saddest-film-will-ever-watch/

My life is my life, the facts of it aren’t meant to be a “ tear jerker” I have posted about my son, many times over the years & my three yr cancer battle frequently so it’s not some take off on any movie if that is what you are implying here. Tone is difficult to convey in a message so please clarify.
 
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madoka

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My life is my life, the facts of it aren’t meant to be a “ tear jerker” I have posted about my son, many times over the years & my three yr cancer battle frequently so it’s not some take off on any movie if that is what you are implying here. Tone is difficult to convey in a message so please clarify.

I didn't mean any offense. I just read a review of the movie and heard good things about it. When you mentioned your situation, it reminded me of that movie. I was commenting on the movie and not your life. That's all.
 
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Mai72

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Much of the advice people give is pretty much coming from their autobiography. Gene Simmons has had money for most of his life. So, of course he's going to say that money is important.

With that said, money means different things to different people. There was a Rutgers study done on money and happiness and what they found is that $70k a year is the cutoff point to happiness. Anything after that and someone's happiness in relation to money doesn't go up much. It's probably true. Think about it. If you have your necessities covered and you have a nice sum of money in your checking/savings life is pretty good. But, here lies the danger with this. In a way it's kinda delusional because when the economy gets slammed and you lose your job, making $70k a year is actually awfully low. Look back at 2006-09. Many people in upper management were making six figures plus. The great recession hit, many lost their income, and they realized a bit too late that $100k was nice but it just wasn't enough. Not for real sustained wealth.

I had a great learning experience 10 years ago. My uncle who was a millionaire came down with Parkinsons disease. Now, he had the money on hand for the best treatments. He even donated $50k to Parkinsons research at the hospital near Drexel Hill, PA. He had a maid to take care of his ailing wife. He was getting 3 messages a day. I was helping him. He had 2 other helpers as well. In home care alone, he was spending thousands a week. His wife is now living in one of those retirement homes. It's $10k a month. She gets every need met, because she is able to pay for it. Many of us are going to have to put the burden on our kids, or we will be put in some kind of state hospital until we die a painful death. That's the reality between not having enough money and being wealthy. IMO, we underestimate what we will need for health emergencies and during the last stage of our lives.

Finally, time affluence is a much more predictor of happiness than financial affluence. You don't get back your days. Once they're gone. That's it. I'd rather be 21 again than be worth $10m. Money can always be made. Not time. It's gone, that's it.

About those lottery winners who go broke. Getting more money isn't the answer. Financial literacy is the answer. You can give $1k to someone whose financially illerate and they'll just blow it on sh*t. Give $1k to someone whose financially savvy and they'll invest part of it and spend the rest wisely.
 
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ch33zw1z

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i could definitely up my happy game with some additional funds

pay the house off, not worry about kiddos getting thru college, pay medical bills outright, get a garage, build an inlaw addition for my mom, plenty of happy to be found with more money.
 

skull

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i could definitely up my happy game with some additional funds

pay the house off, not worry about kiddos getting thru college, pay medical bills outright, get a garage, build an inlaw addition for my mom, plenty of happy to be found with more money.

My house was cheap no need to pay it off, my kids can pay for college themselves or take over daddies business, I have health insurance, I already have a garage, I could build one myself if needed.

Half that stuffs so you stop worrying. Isn't it easier just to stop worrying? You'll just find new stuff to worry about if you use money.
 

ch33zw1z

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those are some of my worries that would be alleviatef by additional funds. I would be a happier person without those. Im not really into material possessions, so to answer your question....no, if i can take care of my family more then im happier

youre comparing your situation to mine, which is obviously different, and you are a different person.

just take your medical thing, yea...i have health insurance also, doesnt make healthcare free....i still have medical bills and copays.
 
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