So much AMD love?

[Yeti101]

Is it me, or does it seem like 4/5 out of the topics on this page are about AMD's.... All asking whats better for overclocking, when its hard to get a stable 200mhz on ANY AMD cpu OC... I have nothing agianst AMD's, I have a athon 1.4, hrm.

Yeti

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: Yeti101
Is it me, or does it seem like 4/5 out of the topics on this page are about AMD's.... All asking whats better for overclocking, when its hard to get a stable 200mhz on ANY AMD cpu OC... I have nothing agianst AMD's, I have a athon 1.4, hrm.

Yeti

It is just you.

 

[jbond04]

Yeti101, you are relatively correct in your assessment, but keep in mind that with the advent of the Northwood processors, this forum used to be filled with people asking how to O/C their 1.6A's. I guess most have figured it out by now.

 

[Lonyo]

AMD processors are also cheaper, so if you blow them up they can be replaced without too much cost

 

[Yeti101]

Whats the point of spending 100 bucks on a CPU to OC when you can only get 200Mhz though...

 

[thejackal1]

maybe people dont want to overclock...

 

[MadRat]

And with 2000+ under $150 now...

 

[newbiepcuser]

And with 2000+ under $150 now...

...more like under 120 these days for OEM.

 

[Boonesmi]

plus most people who buy an xp1600+ are able to get at least a 250mhz increase (by going from a 133mhz fsb to a 166mhz fsb) or from xp1600+ to xp2100+

 

[Soulkeeper]

some even more (ie: 400+)
and keep in mind that 100 athlon mhz isn't the same as 100 P4 mhz so watch that PR number jump

 

[Yeti101]

I dont know about 400Mhz more..... Why dont you just get a 1.6, they're pretty much the same as a XP2000+: $123 p41.6a: $125, Then you can just OC the 1.6 to 2.4.... Why even waste $ on tring to OC AMD's... just my opinion, all the AMD OC talk is just.. funny "The nail polish way unlock Athons" "What would be better for OC'ing: 2000+ or the 2200+?"

 

[Duvie]

First of all...

Ocing an amd athlon let alone an xp is more difficult then a p4 northwood...Most p4 northwood threads are about why they can't get 800-1000mhz out of their oc!!!

Secondly...

You can't blow up a P4 northwood like an amd cpu...You can crack the core with an amd cpu but the INtel P4 has a Integrated Heat Spreader. So cheap or not rarely do you have to fully replace it unlike the dozens of threads I see on cracked cores durting installation. Even my 1.8a chip I damaged with 1.8+ vcore voltage applied I never truly killed it. It ran default speed and vcore fine, and even ran 2.25ghz with 1.58v...Amd's go hard and fast if they go...

Thirdly...

IMHO many of the amd mobos were extremely flaky when ocing...At default I admit I never had an issue...I also never got any real 100mhz oc out of amd chips and had them be 100percent prime95 stable. They lack agp/pci locks so agp/pci devices get out of spec rather fast. Most intel chipset mobos are common with this feature. Overall I think a lot of the intel chipset mobos seem far more OC friendly.

Fourth...

Basically you have to be a tard not to be able to to successfully oc a p4 northwood past 400mhz...I mean even duds get that...



For me it basically worked...I got my 1.6a for 130bucks about 2 months ago when the 2200+ was still above 200 dollars...I oc'd it to 2.546ghz at default vcore with 400+ddr memory (right near pc1066 rdram scores)...So basically it would take a 2400-2500+ xp to beat me...I find it hard to believe I could have gotten that out of a thoroughbred let alone any 1600+xp as well...Then I notched it up 200more mhz with vcore adjustment up to 1.71v and Now it likley would take 2650-2700+xp to compete...

NO amd love right now for me....I hope the hammer will be great and tighten the race once again. Unless hammer destroys the p4 flagship processor by 20 percent (which I highly doubt by the way) I will wait for prescott chip with hyperthreading, 666fsb, .09micron, 1mb l2 cache all with a dual channel ddr chipset....

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: Yeti101
I dont know about 400Mhz more..... Why dont you just get a 1.6, they're pretty much the same as a XP2000+: $123 p41.6a: $125, Then you can just OC the 1.6 to 2.4.... Why even waste $ on tring to OC AMD's... just my opinion, all the AMD OC talk is just.. funny "The nail polish way unlock Athons" "What would be better for OC'ing: 2000+ or the 2200+?"

Uh, an XP 2000+ will whoop a P4 1.6A at stock settings. You can buy a 1600+ for $60 at newegg, which should OC to 1.8GHz (400MHz/29% OC) which will be faster than the 2200+ (due to higher FSBs), so it will outperform a P4 2.2A, which costs $237 for a savings of around $165. I'm trying to see where that's a "waste of money". Even if you compare it to a 1.6A which will easily OC beyond 2.2GHz, they cost $160 (if you know of a place where you can buy a P4 1.6A for $125, let us know - they aren't even that cheap on pricewatch), so you're still saving around $90.

 

[Yeti101]

Uh, an XP 2000+ will whoop a P4 1.6A at stock settings. You can buy a 1600+ for $60 at newegg, which should OC to 1.8GHz (400MHz/29% OC) which will be faster than the 2200+ (due to higher FSBs), so it will outperform a P4 2.2A, which costs $237 for a savings of around $165. I'm trying to see where that's a "waste of money". Even if you compare it to a 1.6A which will easily OC beyond 2.2GHz, they cost $160 (if you know of a place where you can buy a P4 1.6A for $125, let us know - they aren't even that cheap on pricewatch), so you're still saving around $90.

Your forgot something buddy, just like Duvie said "I can get my 1.6 at 2.736" and that will kick ANY AMD'S ass stright into the ground. EVEN if you can stably get a 1600+ to 1.8Ghz Clock speed....

 

[Boonesmi]

Yeti101 hehe did i hear you say above "Why dont you just get a 1.6, they're pretty much the same as a XP2000+: "??

you so funny
a little mis-informed, but still funny

you need to check the reviews/benchmarks 1.6ghz P4 is not even as fast as a xp1600+ in most of the benchmarks.. much less compared to a 2000+

 

[Duvie]

MIne is a rare 1.6 overclock....Some have been slightly better but most are a bit lower...

I 1.8a right now is only 10 nucks more then a 1.6 in most places and the only reason its price has gone up in the last month was from the announcement intel had phased this chip out and supplies are getting tight for the highly demanded chip....

The 1.8 will fall down to that 130 range at end of august...The newer sl68q's are mad dog ocers and many are getting 2.5-2.6ghz at default vcore with a real assualt on 2.8-2.9ghz speeds...


Hold off on purchases until end of august...hopefully by then the high volume suppliers will work the rest of the older sl63x chips out and get to the q stepping chips which includes a die shrink.

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: Yeti101

Uh, an XP 2000+ will whoop a P4 1.6A at stock settings. You can buy a 1600+ for $60 at newegg, which should OC to 1.8GHz (400MHz/29% OC) which will be faster than the 2200+ (due to higher FSBs), so it will outperform a P4 2.2A, which costs $237 for a savings of around $165. I'm trying to see where that's a "waste of money". Even if you compare it to a 1.6A which will easily OC beyond 2.2GHz, they cost $160 (if you know of a place where you can buy a P4 1.6A for $125, let us know - they aren't even that cheap on pricewatch), so you're still saving around $90.

Your forgot something buddy, just like Duvie said "I can get my 1.6 at 2.736" and that will kick ANY AMD'S ass stright into the ground. EVEN if you can stably get a 1600+ to 1.8Ghz Clock speed....

Look "buddy", I'm well aware that a 1.6A OC'd to 2.736 will whoop any AMD's ass, which is why I'm going to get a 1.8A and OC the hell out of it. However, while most people are getting 2.4GHz+, relatively few people are actually getting 2.7GHz+ out of their 1.6A/1.8As. I was mostly just trying to counteract some of your "fanboyisms", and you still haven't told me where I can get a 1.6A for $125. Also, remember that the fact that the XP 1600+ does OC so well (don't forget that prior to the Northwood hysteria, nearly 30% clockspeed increase would have been considered a great OC) means that people who are on a really tight budget (where +/- $100+ would make a huge difference) can still get a kick@ss OC system.

 

[Yeti101]

Yeti101 hehe did i hear you say above "Why dont you just get a 1.6, they're pretty much the same as a XP2000+: "??

Im saying, between a P41.6a vs. a XP1600+, the 1.6a will have better results if both were Overclocking Example: 1.6a OC'ed at 2.6Ghz vs a 1600+ at 1.8Ghz (If you can keep it stable)

a 1.6a vs. a 1600+ at normal Vcore and normal FSB, may have diffrent results... but, if you have decent cooling, heck even the stock HSF for the P4s you can get a stable OC that will still rock most XP's

Yeti

 

[Duvie]

I see where you are coming from CRAZY, very true on a lot of it.....Hope you can get a sl68q!!! My sl63x was a great ocer as it ran at default vcore at 2.4ghz (133fsb) and maxed at 2.63ghz with 1.71v...

 

[Yeti101]

www.pricewatch.com serch: CPU > CPU > Pentium 4 1.6GHz Sock 478, Thats less then $125, $119.95, buddy. - With shipping and all

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I see where you are coming from CRAZY, very true on a lot of it.....Hope you can get a sl68q!!! My sl63x was a great ocer as it ran at default vcore at 2.4ghz (133fsb) and maxed at 2.63ghz with 1.71v...

Thanks. I hope I get a sl68q, too! I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the Great Newegg has mercy upon me

 

[Duvie]

yeti...that is not a northwood...The willamette .18micron chip also came in a socket 478pin chip as well..It only has 256kb of l2 if you check and that ain't a northwood....

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Yeti101
www.pricewatch.com serch: CPU > CPU > Pentium 4 1.6GHz Sock 478, Thats less then $125, $119.95, buddy.

Look closer, it's the 256k cache "Willie" is it not?

 

[CrazySaint]

Originally posted by: Yeti101
www.pricewatch.com serch: CPU > CPU > Pentium 4 1.6GHz Sock 478, Thats less then $125, $119.95, buddy.

Uh, check again "buddy", that's an old Willamette core, not the new Northwood core, unless you think a Willamette 1.6 can hit over 2.4GHz Try typing "1.6A" into the search box.

 

[Duvie]

First confirmed northwood is at 146.95 shipped....