So Much to Savor

Pliablemoose

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So Much to Savor
A big win for America, and a loss for the mainstream media.

Thursday, November 4, 2004 12:01 a.m. EST

God bless our country.

Hello, old friends. Let us savor.

Let us get our heads around the size and scope of what happened Tuesday. George W. Bush, 43rd president of the United States, became the first incumbent president to increase his majority in both the Senate and the House and to increase his own vote (by over 3.5 million) since Franklin D. Roosevelt, political genius of the 20th century, in 1936. This is huge.

George W. Bush is the first president to win more than 50% of the popular vote since 1988. (Bill Clinton failed to twice; Mr. Bush failed to last time and fell short of a plurality by half a million.) The president received more than 59 million votes, breaking Ronald Reagan's old record of 54.5 million. Mr. Bush increased his personal percentages in almost every state in the union. He carried the Catholic vote and won 42% of the Hispanic vote and 24% of the Jewish vote (up from 19% in 2000.)

It will be hard for the mainstream media to continue, in the face of these facts, the mantra that we are a deeply and completely divided country. But they'll try!

The Democrats have lost their leader in the Senate, Tom Daschle. I do not know what the Democratic Party spent, in toto, on the 2004 election, but what they seem to have gotten for it is Barack Obama. Let us savor.

The elites of Old Europe are depressed. Savor. The nonelites of Old Europe, and the normal folk of New Europe, especially our beloved friend Poland, will not be depressed, and many will be happy. Let's savor that too.

George Soros cannot buy a presidential election. Savor. "Volunteers" who are bought and paid for cannot beat volunteers who come from the neighborhood, church, workplace and reading group. Savor.

The leaders of the Bush effort see it this way: A ragtag band of more than a million Republican volunteers who fought like Washington's troops at Valley Forge beat the paid Hessians of King George III's army. Savor.

As I write, John Kerry is giving his speech. He looks hurt. Who wouldn't? He fought to the end, for every vote, untiring and ceaseless. I told some young people recently who were walking into a battle, "Here's how to fight: You fight until they kill you, until they kill you and stop your heart, and then you let them carry you out of the room. But you fight until they carry." I think that's how the Democrats fought. Good for them.

To admit defeat with attempted grace is a moving sight. Kerry did well. His talking about his "good conversation" with the president was gracious and helpful. He was honest about the facts of the vote in Ohio. When he thanked his people from the bottom of his heart it was a real thanks. "Thanks to Democrats and Republicans and Independents. . . . Thanks to everyone who voted." "Don't lose faith, what you did made a difference . . . and building on itself . . . the time will come when your votes, your ballots, will change the world. And it's worth fighting for." A lot of pundits and editorialists are going to say, "His best speech of the campaign was his last." But that's not the point.

Mr. Kerry graced democracy today. He showed his love for it. Savor.

And now the president is speaking. He looks tired and happy. He looks as if the lines on his forehead are deeper. Maybe it's the lighting. "We had a really good phone call," he said of Mr. Kerry. "He was very gracious . . . and he and his supporters can be proud of their efforts." Good for them both. He announced his agenda: reform the tax code, privatize Social Security, help the emerging democracies of Iraq and Afghanistan. "And then our servicemen and -women will come home with the honor they have earned."

"Today I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent. . . . I need your support. . . . I will do all that I can do to earn your trust. . . . We have one country, one Constitution, and one future that binds us." All good. Savor.

Who was the biggest loser of the 2004 election? It is easy to say Mr. Kerry: he was a poor candidate with a poor campaign. But I do think the biggest loser was the mainstream media, the famous MSM, the initials that became popular in this election cycle. Every time the big networks and big broadsheet national newspapers tried to pull off a bit of pro-liberal mischief--CBS and the fabricated Bush National Guard documents, the New York Times and bombgate, CBS's "60 Minutes" attempting to coordinate the breaking of bombgate on the Sunday before the election--the yeomen of the blogosphere and AM radio and the Internet took them down. It was to me a great historical development in the history of politics in America. It was Agincourt. It was the yeomen of King Harry taking down the French aristocracy with new technology and rough guts. God bless the pajama-clad yeomen of America. Some day, when America is hit again, and lines go down, and media are hard to get, these bloggers and site runners and independent Internetters of all sorts will find a way to file, and get their word out, and it will be part of the saving of our country.

Last note. As much as anyone, the POW wives of Vietnam, who stood against the Democratic nominee for president and for the Republican, can claim credit for the Bush victory. Everyone with a computer in America, and a lot of people with TVs, saw their testimony about the 1970s, and their husbands, and John Kerry. You could not come away from their white-haired, soft-faced, big-eyeglasses visages without thinking: He should not be commander in chief.

Oh, another last note. Tuesday I heard three radio talkers who refused to believe it was over when the ludicrous, and who knows but possibly quite mischievous, exit polls virtually declared a Kerry landslide yesterday afternoon. They are Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham. The last sent me an e-mail that dismissed the numbers as elitist nonsense and propaganda. She is one tough girl and they are two tough men. Savor them too.



PEGGY NOONAN WSJ Opinion piece

:wine:
 

jpeyton

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I'll savor the fact that 55 million Americans were not spoonfed the lies by this administration that could have hindered their judgement during election day.

I'll savor the fact that GWB had the largest number of votes to oust him out of any re-elected incumbent President in the history of our country.
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'll savor the fact that 55 million Americans were not spoonfed the lies by this administration that could have hindered their judgement during election day.

I'll savor the fact that GWB had the largest number of votes to oust him out of any re-elected incumbent President in the history of our country.


:lips:

Jesus loves you jpeyton:heart:
 

Tom

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"It will be hard for the mainstream media to continue, in the face of these facts, the mantra that we are a deeply and completely divided country."

I agree it's impressive and a good thing, from the point of view of establishing legitimacy, Bush got a majority of the vote. But I don't see how that means we aren't a divided country ?

 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'll savor the fact that 55 million Americans were not spoonfed the lies by this administration that could have hindered their judgement during election day.

I'll savor the fact that GWB had the largest number of votes to oust him out of any re-elected incumbent President in the history of our country.


:lips:

Jesus loves you jpeyton:heart:

I love him too, don't worry
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'll savor the fact that 55 million Americans were not spoonfed the lies by this administration that could have hindered their judgement during election day.

I'll savor the fact that GWB had the largest number of votes to oust him out of any re-elected incumbent President in the history of our country.

I'll savor the fact that 59+ million Americans were not spoonfed the lies by the Kerry campaign that could have hindered their judgement during election day.

I'll savor the fact that Kerry had the largest number of votes against him out of any candidate for President in the history of our country.

 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'll savor the fact that 55 million Americans were not spoonfed the lies by this administration that could have hindered their judgement during election day.

I'll savor the fact that GWB had the largest number of votes to oust him out of any re-elected incumbent President in the history of our country.

I'll savor the fact that 59+ million Americans were not spoonfed the lies by the Kerry campaign that could have hindered their judgement during election day.

I'll savor the fact that Kerry had the largest number of votes against him out of any candidate for President in the history of our country.


Red vs. Blue, indeed.
 

Tom

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"I'll savor the fact that Kerry had the largest number of votes against him out of any candidate for President in the history of our country. "

LOL, so did Bush. savor that.

oops, I meant except for Kerry.
 

SirStev0

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'll savor the fact that 55 million Americans were not spoonfed the lies by this administration that could have hindered their judgement during election day.

I'll savor the fact that GWB had the largest number of votes to oust him out of any re-elected incumbent President in the history of our country.

I'll savor the fact that 59+ million Americans were not spoonfed the lies by the Kerry campaign that could have hindered their judgement during election day.

I'll savor the fact that Kerry had the largest number of votes against him out of any candidate for President in the history of our country.


yep ... we are not divided at all...
 

mAdMaLuDaWg

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'll savor the fact that 55 million Americans were not spoonfed the lies by this administration that could have hindered their judgement during election day.

I'll savor the fact that GWB had the largest number of votes to oust him out of any re-elected incumbent President in the history of our country.

I'll savor the fact that 59+ million Americans were not spoonfed the lies by the Kerry campaign that could have hindered their judgement during election day.

I'll savor the fact that Kerry had the largest number of votes against him out of any candidate for President in the history of our country.


Red vs. Blue, indeed.

Blue >>>> Red... they have much better weapons...

oh sorry, I thought we were talking about Halo
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: Tom
"I'll savor the fact that Kerry had the largest number of votes against him out of any candidate for President in the history of our country. "

LOL, so did Bush. savor that.

oops, I meant except for Kerry.

I'm still basking in Daschle's public beheading, go South Dakota...:thumbsup:

Folks just don't understand the impact of 9-11 on folks in the midwest, 3K people is a larger # than many of their hometowns. They're still mad as hell, and they've no time for Washington BS partisanship.
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: conjur
Just checking to make sure you were keeping with your little agenda.


And that would be?

Seriously, if you have a problem, take it to PM's or the mods.

Go away conjur.
 

Isaiah

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
So Much to Savor
A big win for America, and a loss for the mainstream media.

It will be hard for the mainstream media to continue, in the face of these facts, the mantra that we are a deeply and completely divided country. But they'll try!

Does that mean the media might try to report the truth? :disgust:
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: conjur
Just checking to make sure you were keeping with your little agenda.

?? Where's your pro-Bush website links, conjur? Oh, does that not fit into your little agenda? :roll: :wine:

I always thought you were a bit more mature than that. Hell I've got people with direct links to my worst moments in their sigs, you don't see me whining. This is at least the second thread in which you've complained - why not give it a rest?

What's the phrase?. Somebody call the waaaaahbulance?
 

Rainsford

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And now it starts...the Republicans skew the stats to suggest the country is united behind them, accuse anyone who says otherwise of trying to destroy America, and proceede to totally ignore the 48% of the country that voted for Kerry.

Bush just finished saying he wants to unite the country with bipartisian efforts to improve America. Guess he was just kidding, because apparently the country is already united, no need to worry about that 48%...because that's less than half the country! God damn you guys are dumb.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
And now it starts...the Republicans skew the stats to suggest the country is united behind them, accuse anyone who says otherwise of trying to destroy America, and proceede to totally ignore the 48% of the country that voted for Kerry.

Bush just finished saying he wants to unite the country with bipartisian efforts to improve America. Guess he was just kidding, because apparently the country is already united, no need to worry about that 48%...because that's less than half the country! God damn you guys are dumb.

What are you talking about? What stats are being skewed? Who's dumb? Have you been laid lately? (<-- not an offer, unless you really think it'd help you calm down)
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: Rainsford
And now it starts...the Republicans skew the stats to suggest the country is united behind them, accuse anyone who says otherwise of trying to destroy America, and proceede to totally ignore the 48% of the country that voted for Kerry.

Bush just finished saying he wants to unite the country with bipartisian efforts to improve America. Guess he was just kidding, because apparently the country is already united, no need to worry about that 48%...because that's less than half the country! God damn you guys are dumb.

What are you talking about? What stats are being skewed? Who's dumb? Have you been laid lately? (<-- not an offer, unless you really think it'd help you calm down)

THIS is what I'm talking about:
It will be hard for the mainstream media to continue, in the face of these facts, the mantra that we are a deeply and completely divided country. But they'll try!

So apparently we aren't divided as long as slightly over half of the people support Bush? Guess those other 49% are just, uh, outliers. I honestly do not get how the argument that we aren't divided can be made. Yeah, Bush did very well with his support. He would have had to, since the top two candidates had much more of the vote than usual. Anything better than a 1% margin of victory would have given the winner more than 50% of the vote. These are basic facts, and explain why Bush 51% isn't that impressive...because it comes along with Kerry's 48%, a very high percentage for the runner up.

You want to know why I'm having trouble staying calm here? Because you guys are ALREADY ignoring 49% of the country. You look at only one side of the stats and claim Bush has universal support. Well he doesn't. He has a lot, but if you don't think we're still divided, I suggest you examine the numbers again. I really don't understand how you can look at ALL the election data and conclude the country isn't still divided.
 

Tom

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Rainsford-

just to amplify on the issue of divisions-there is also the fact that Kerry won majorities in most if not all large cities, so for a lot of people the immediate society they live in is divided in the opposite direction with the minority favoring Bush.

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Tom
Rainsford-

just to amplify on the issue of divisions-there is also the fact that Kerry won majorities in most if not all large cities, so for a lot of people the immediate society they live in is divided in the opposite direction with the minority favoring Bush.

Exactly. Bush supporters in San Francisco, for example, might have a hard time with the whole "We're all united behind Bush" mantra, because they are going to clearly see how many people oppose Bush.
 
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