So North Korea admits they want to nuke the US... Update with Video

[AstroManLuca]

Looking at how badly the Korean and Iranian missile tests have gone, it made me realize that the U.S. space program was more valuable than mere exploration - it also was an incredibly important jumping-off point for creating reliable, precise, long-distance missiles. We take this capability for granted here since we've had manned spaceflight since the 60s, sent men to the moon and back, and had routine spaceflight for decades after.

The good news is that apparently China hasn't helped NK with their missile technology, at least not yet. They've sent men into space and unmanned probes to the moon. NK is shooting off bottle rockets by comparison.

 

[bigrash]

Saw this, thought it might be relevant (reddit helped)

lol

 

[Fritzo]

Looking at how badly the Korean and Iranian missile tests have gone, it made me realize that the U.S. space program was more valuable than mere exploration - it also was an incredibly important jumping-off point for creating reliable, precise, long-distance missiles. We take this capability for granted here since we've had manned spaceflight since the 60s, sent men to the moon and back, and had routine spaceflight for decades after.

The good news is that apparently China hasn't helped NK with their missile technology, at least not yet. They've sent men into space and unmanned probes to the moon. NK is shooting off bottle rockets by comparison.

China has no interest in helping NK with technology. They're loving the New Kid on the Block world stage they have, and view NK as that crazy uncle that embarrasses you every holiday, but you have to invite him anyway.

 

[diesbudt]

...and their eyes would be glowing red!

In all honesty, it's preferable to have KN toiling away at nuclear weaponry, rather than chemical or bacteriological crap (which is strange, considering that this type of research would be cheaper for them, and easier to hide)...

Biological is so much more potential and deadly than nukes. I am surprised they do not go this route.

Create a strain of rabbis, that is airbourne, and easy to pass on.

Tada, i just created a zombie like virus, drop some of this in various areas of a country and watch it take affect.

 

[dainthomas]

Create a strain of rabbis, that is airbourne, and easy to pass on.

Lol.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Create a strain of rabbis, that is airbourne, and easy to pass on.

Jew kidding!

 

[uhohs]

Create a strain of rabbis, that is airbourne, and easy to pass on.

 

[phucheneh]

So does North Korea just hate everyone else in the world? Or particularly the US?

I mean, I feel like we (as a planet) did a decent job of getting the nuclear thing under control. We all sat down and had some tea and said 'okay...maybe this nuke-u-lar stuff wasn't the best idea...' But we realized that everyone wasn't just going to give up their nukes (in ironic contrast to gun control, IMO...sorry, can of worms), so we came up with having the five 'nuclear powers.' Yeah, the US is one, and we're (generally) closely allied with Europe, where Britain and France have nukes...but there's also that giant fucking continent over across the way with Russia and China.

If someone needs a good Asian-style nuking, I'm sure China can handle it. Does NK want to point their spitwad nukes at China, too?

It's really not that different from Israel developing nuclear weapons. It's like, c'mon guys, I think other countries have got your back. But it you start nuking Arabs, you're going to get fucked.

 

[Fritzo]

That middle rabbi looks especially strained.

 

[Fritzo]

So does North Korea just hate everyone else in the world? Or particularly the US?

I mean, I feel like we (as a planet) did a decent job of getting the nuclear thing under control. We all sat down and had some tea and said 'okay...maybe this nuke-u-lar stuff wasn't the best idea...' But we realized that everyone wasn't just going to give up their nukes (in ironic contrast to gun control, IMO...sorry, can of worms), so we came up with having the five 'nuclear powers.' Yeah, the US is one, and we're (generally) closely allied with Europe, where Britain and France have nukes...but there's also that giant fucking continent over across the way with Russia and China.

If someone needs a good Asian-style nuking, I'm sure China can handle it. Does NK want to point their spitwad nukes at China, too?

It's really not that different from Israel developing nuclear weapons. It's like, c'mon guys, I think other countries have got your back. But it you start nuking Arabs, you're going to get fucked.

It has to do with their culture. They run under a tyranny, so all of their power and respect comes from fear and propaganda. That's why you see all those laughable stories spread to NK's citizens about their leader "making 11 holes in one the first time he played golf, directs movies, writes operas, found unicorns, etc..." News outlets other than the state run media are forbidden, so the citizens are left with believing anything they're told and believing their leaders are some kind of super-beings.

NK isn't used to the world being as small as it is now. This isn't a "you do what ever you want in your country, I'll do what ever I want in mine" world culture anymore. Other countries have influence over each other, both culturally and politically, and NK's leaders have no idea how to handle that. They only have experience with legends and intimidation on their population, so they're trying to use the same tactics on the rest of the world.

The problem is, the rest of the world isn't naive, and it's puzzling to them why it doesn't work. When their boasting blows up in their faces, they usually come up with a lie for their people and then back down for a few more months.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

It has to do with their culture. They run under a tyranny, so all of their power and respect comes from fear and propaganda. That's why you see all those laughable stories spread to NK's citizens about their leader "making 11 holes in one the first time he played golf, directs movies, writes operas, found unicorns, etc..." News outlets other than the state run media are forbidden, so the citizens are left with believing anything they're told and believing their leaders are some kind of super-beings.

NK isn't used to the world being as small as it is now. This isn't a "you do what ever you want in your country, I'll do what ever I want in mine" world culture anymore. Other countries have influence over each other, both culturally and politically, and NK's leaders have no idea how to handle that. They only have experience with legends and intimidation on their population, so they're trying to use the same tactics on the rest of the world.

The problem is, the rest of the world isn't naive, and it's puzzling to them why it doesn't work. When their boasting blows up in their faces, they usually come up with a lie for their people and then back down for a few more months.

It's very easy to maintain this stance when everyone your grandparents age there remembers us coming and killing the shit out of them. We are the devil to those people for good reason.

 

[momeNt]

Release all sanctions and just start doing business with them. Free trade cures all grudges.

All this shit started on some stupid domino theory which is just horrible policy. Free markets collapse state authoritarian and socialistic rule, embargoing them only gives them the opportunity to entrench in their ideologies and let their hatred ferment. As soon as we open up trade it will quickly unravel.

 

[KlokWyze]

The only reason NK exists is because of China as previously pointed out in this thread.

My thought is: Why is China still protecting NK? Are they being used as some sort of buffer between the US & her perceived east Asian allies(Japan, SK, etc.)? Though that seems to be changing quite a bit as well.

Just a bit strange because NK is truly an amazing intellectual, emotional & cultural wasteland of human rights violations. It's looked at as quite possibly the most detestable government in the world in how they treat their people and yet, China is protecting them? :hmm:

 

[JTsyo]

Even if NK managed to get a nuke to the US, I would be against nuking their population centers. I don't think the population deserves to be punished for the actions of their leadership when they have no say in the government. Though the US might retaliate just to set the precedent of what happens when you use a nuke.

 

[AeroEngy]

I wouldn't say it's laughable. Sure, we have the interceptors to take it out but our GMD has never proven it can take out an ICBM. From the other thread.:


Basically, we should be able to take out the warheads, even if they had countermeasures but there's no guarantee since we haven't had a successful GBI test to date. Remember that shit never goes as planned, even after successful rigorous testing, e.g. losing a billion dollar helo piloted by Navy Seals to get/kill OBL proved this point.

Although there have been numerous failures this isn't accurate. GMD has a couple of intercepts. FTG-03A and FTG-05 both resulted in successful exoatmospheric intercepts. Also although not technically GBI the Aegis BMD has scored several hits.

 

[diesbudt]

You can't tell me this wouldn't be one of the ultimate most dangerous weapons ever used. NK will never even know what hit them.

 

[Anonemous]

Even though they are unlikely to hit the West Coast, don't they have the capability to hit Hawaii or the military bases around the area in Japan, SK, Guam?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Release all sanctions and just start doing business with them. Free trade cures all grudges.

Sure, because we buy a shitload of oil and the middle east just loves us,

 

[zinfamous]

thread of the day!

 

[SP33Demon]

Although there have been numerous failures this isn't accurate. GMD has a couple of intercepts. FTG-03A and FTG-05 both resulted in successful exoatmospheric intercepts. Also although not technically GBI the Aegis BMD has scored several hits.

True, but the two latest tests failed.

I'd be curious to see what our response would be if we intercepted a couple of ICBMs they shot at us. Do we nuke them in response?

 

[Baked]

The rabbis, they're deadly.

 

[xanis]

True, but the two latest tests failed.

I'd be curious to see what our response would be if we intercepted a couple of ICBMs they shot at us. Do we nuke them in response?

I don't think we would, only out of fear of collateral damage to S. Korea (an ally).

 

[IndyColtsFan]

The only reason NK exists is because of China as previously pointed out in this thread.

My thought is: Why is China still protecting NK? Are they being used as some sort of buffer between the US & her perceived east Asian allies(Japan, SK, etc.)? Though that seems to be changing quite a bit as well.

Just a bit strange because NK is truly an amazing intellectual, emotional & cultural wasteland of human rights violations. It's looked at as quite possibly the most detestable government in the world in how they treat their people and yet, China is protecting them? :hmm:

China allegedly hinted to South Korea recently that it would not object to a united Korea being ruled by Seoul. So I think the notion that China is protecting NK isn't really correct. China would have absolutely nothing to gain by going to war to defend North Korea -- the entire geopolitical landscape has changed drastically since the 50s and NK has literally nothing of value to the Chinese at this point. If a war broke out tomorrow and it was NK vs. the US/SK, China (and Russia) wouldn't lift a finger to help. Oh, they might raise "objections" and whine in the UN security council but that would be the extent of their involvement.

 

[zinfamous]

China is no concern. If relations sour drastically between us and them....I'm rather confident that the loss of their slave labor will hurt them far worse than it will hurt us.

Yeah, it might suck for a little while having to pay $5 more for a pair of shoes, but imagine the boom in manufacturing we might see (or, well, moving our slave labor base to some other impoverished country :\)

 

[IndyColtsFan]

China is no concern. If relations sour drastically between us and them....I'm rather confident that the loss of their slave labor will hurt them far worse than it will hurt us.

Yeah, it might suck for a little while having to pay $5 more for a pair of shoes, but imagine the boom in manufacturing we might see (or, well, moving our slave labor base to some other impoverished country :\)

Exactly. We are more important to China than China is to us and believe me, they know it.