So now, i got mozilla, am using it, but what's so great about it?

[TheOmegaCode]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
mmc, hmm forgot what it stands for. i know the C stands for console. it is the interface that you use to access administrative utilities. if you have a DC, it is used to access such things as Active Directory Users and Computers (you know user administrative tools). it is invaluable and i'm not sure i can do without it. i'm really not in the mood to experiment to find out.

MMC = Microsoft Management Console.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
http://www.avantbrowser.com/

Tabbed windows, pop-blocker (even those damn ActiveX warnings if you have it disabled), and more. I like it better than Crazybrowser. It's not as polished but it's getting there with the very frequent updates.

Wow,a nother piece of software, potentially filled with lovely spyware , that I can add to the already extensive list of software I need to install when setting up a new system, and this one only gives me the default functionality of Mozilla. Sounds great, where do I sign up to buy a piece of that bridge?!

IIS = Microsoft's webserver (Internet Information System?)

 

[TheOmegaCode]

IIS = Microsoft's webserver (Internet Information System?)

Internet Informations Services, close enough

I don't know why MS won't just release their source code for IE. People will make it better, and then MS can base their new versions of IE on it...

 

[Sunner]

IIS4 was "Internet Information Server" while I think they changed it to "Internet Information Services" with IIS5.
Gotta keep up with buzzwords you know

 

[Armitage]

Originally posted by: Slickone
ergeorge, thanks for the tips. Especially on the middle click. That rocks. I never knew about it. Or about ctrl/alt + wheel. Though ctrl+ wheel doesnt do anything on 7PR1. Is this new to Mozilla? I don't know how to bookmark tab groups either. Also new? Is there a page w/ these tips?

I think you need to turn on the <ctrl> + wheel behavior, it may not be on by default.

go to Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Mouse Wheel

To bookmark tab groups:

Bookmarks->File Bookmark
Now check the box that says "File as Group"

The UI could be a little better on that one

 

[fow99]

Anybody like 'Mouse gesture' here?
I don't use Mozilla to be honest. I use Opera. But I know Mozilla has this feature.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
http://www.avantbrowser.com/

Tabbed windows, pop-blocker (even those damn ActiveX warnings if you have it disabled), and more. I like it better than Crazybrowser. It's not as polished but it's getting there with the very frequent updates.

Wow,a nother piece of software, potentially filled with lovely spyware , that I can add to the already extensive list of software I need to install when setting up a new system, and this one only gives me the default functionality of Mozilla. Sounds great, where do I sign up to buy a piece of that bridge?!

IIS = Microsoft's webserver (Internet Information System?)

WTF is your problem? Thre's no spyware and it's less than a one meg. One meg and you get the default funcionality of Mozilla, this is a bad thing to you?

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
http://www.avantbrowser.com/

Tabbed windows, pop-blocker (even those damn ActiveX warnings if you have it disabled), and more. I like it better than Crazybrowser. It's not as polished but it's getting there with the very frequent updates.

I just downloaded it. I noticed it was called IE Opera. Is this the Opera others speak of?
EDIT: I got it!

 

[Nothinman]

WTF is your problem? Thre's no spyware and it's less than a one meg. One meg and you get the default funcionality of Mozilla, this is a bad thing to you?

He's saying you can't prove there's no spyware because it's not Open Source, like Mozilla.

 

[BFG10K]

I've had many times where IE would lock-up/crash/whatever and the whole "Explorer" part of Windows would die.

Funny, I've never seen IE crash at all. EVER. Right back to IE 4xx on NT4 to IE 6xx on Windows XP.

I've seen Netscape crash thousands of times though (in addition to rendering pages slower than IE and inaccurately as well) and it was my understanding that Mozilla is built off the same codebase.

It's also amusing to see the anti-MS trolls in here claiming that one of the reasons why Mozilla is better than IE is simply because it's not a Microsoft product. My, what an "interesting" world they live in.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
http://www.avantbrowser.com/

Tabbed windows, pop-blocker (even those damn ActiveX warnings if you have it disabled), and more. I like it better than Crazybrowser. It's not as polished but it's getting there with the very frequent updates.

Wow,a nother piece of software, potentially filled with lovely spyware , that I can add to the already extensive list of software I need to install when setting up a new system, and this one only gives me the default functionality of Mozilla. Sounds great, where do I sign up to buy a piece of that bridge?!

IIS = Microsoft's webserver (Internet Information System?)

WTF is your problem? Thre's no spyware and it's less than a one meg. One meg and you get the default funcionality of Mozilla, this is a bad thing to you?

potentially

adv : with a possibility of becoming actual; "introducing possibly dangerous innovations"; "he is potentially dangerous"; "potentially useful" [syn: possibly]

And I hate having to go through a system and install a billion things to get it usable.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I've had many times where IE would lock-up/crash/whatever and the whole "Explorer" part of Windows would die.

Funny, I've never seen IE crash at all. EVER. Right back to IE 4xx on NT4 to IE 6xx on Windows XP.

I personally think this is BS.

I've seen Netscape crash thousands of times though

Me too. I have seen them both crash, and still do.

(in addition to rendering pages slower than IE and inaccurately as well) and it was my understanding that Mozilla is built off the same codebase.

Mozilla I think is based off of Netswcape 5's codebase. No, Netscape 5 never made it to market exactly, they just went to 6 when Mozilla was doing better. You should check out the new Mozillas, they're nice.

It's also amusing to see the anti-MS trolls in here claiming that one of the reasons why Mozilla is better than IE is simply because it's not a Microsoft product. My, what an "interesting" world they live in.

If you do not agree with what a person or company does you shold not purchase anything from them. Its the simple boycot principle. Sometimes you cant help using some of their products, so why not CYA and not use their products 100%?

 

[Sunner]

BFG, if you're eferring to Netscaoe 4.5 upto 4.79, I agree, those versions are utter crap.

Mozilla is not based on that codebase though, Mozilla isn't even in the same league in terms of quality and rendering accuracy.

Oh and yeah, I also call IE never crashing BS, I've seen every browser crash, though some tend to do it more often than others, the leader in number of crashes is definately Netscape 4.7x, with IE 5.5(I think it was, 5.something anyways) on a Win98 box comming second, after that, Mozilla, IE on my Win2K box, Galeon, and Opera are all pretty equal, and they crash seldom enough for it not to annoy me a whole lot.

 

[Nothinman]

Mozilla is not based on that codebase though, Mozilla isn't even in the same league in terms of quality and rendering accuracy.

Mozilla started from Netscape source minus large chunks because of copyright issues, but I think it would have taken so much work to get the code manageable again they just scrapped most of it and rewrote it.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

IE never crashes, what BS!!!!!!!!!

 

[Slickone]

NS 4.7x wasn't that bad. It didn't crash too often on me. 3.x did though. NS7/Mozilla hardly ever crashes. Opera 6 crashes fairly often for me.

BFG10K must be talking about an older Netscape.


Muadib: No, Avant Browser = 'IE Opera', not Opera.

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: Slickone
NS 4.7x wasn't that bad. It didn't crash too often on me. 3.x did though. NS7/Mozilla hardly ever crashes. Opera 6 crashes fairly often for me.

BFG10K must be talking about an older Netscape.

No that's not the point. He's making the absolutely preposterous statement that IE has *never* crashed for him since IE4.

Furthermore, he really makes his point suspect by stating that NS crashed "thousands" of times. Now that could just be hyperbole, or it could be fact, but normally people do not sustain thousands of crashes in a piece of software when a bullet-proof alternative exists. The only other reasonable explanation would be he was forced to use NS in a corporate setting.

Those claims really speak for themselves. While I'm not here to call him an outright liar, obviously nobody actually believes him literally.

Anyhow, NS 4.x definitely was fairly crashy, but generally only while rendering complex sites built for IE. Or after a period of use because it leaked memory. Let's put it this way; I was more than happy to try out the beta-quality Mozilla 0.9.4 because NS 4.x was by then a poor browser in many regards. Mozilla is now probably orders of magnitude better in stability, and objectively I give it the nod over IE (any version).

 

[crisscross]

Myie2

Try this ppl. I like it a lot and don't think it has any spyware, checked with ad-aware.

 

[BFG10K]

I personally think this is BS.

No that's not the point. He's making the absolutely preposterous statement that IE has *never* crashed for him since IE4.

It's not BS unless you're talking about the Mac version of IE, which I have seen crash but since it has completely different code to the Windows version it doesn't count.

I've never had any version of Windows of IE crash on me since I started using it on a regular basis with IE 4x on NT 4. OTOH I've seen Netscape crash and render pages inaccurately on Windows, Mac and Linux platforms. In fact I distinctly remember one version of Netscape on Linux that would lock up every time I tried to visit Intel's website.

IE never crashes, what BS!!!!!!!!!

If you have a website that crashes for you I'll be happy to try it out.

If you do not agree with what a person or company does you shold not purchase anything from them. Its the simple boycot principle.

Boycotting is fine; creating a bulleted list with a "it's not made by Microsoft" reason to prove that Mozilla is better than IE is moronic.

 

[TheWart]

well, dont know if this has been linked to, but I am using it right now, and absolutely love it. basically uses IE shells and bookmarks so no messing around with syncronizing them. The tabbed interface is very advanced, allows a search to google with alt-enter automatically. Dont think there is any spyware...(I run ad aware like every other day, lol)

enjoy

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

I personally think this is BS.

No that's not the point. He's making the absolutely preposterous statement that IE has *never* crashed for him since IE4.

It's not BS unless you're talking about the Mac version of IE, which I have seen crash but since it has completely different code to the Windows version it doesn't count.

I've never had any version of Windows of IE crash on me since I started using it on a regular basis with IE 4x on NT 4. OTOH I've seen Netscape crash and render pages inaccurately on Windows, Mac and Linux platforms. In fact I distinctly remember one version of Netscape on Linux that would lock up every time I tried to visit Intel's website.

IE never crashes, what BS!!!!!!!!!

If you have a website that crashes for you I'll be happy to try it out.

Thats unbelievable! Im sorry, but I cant believe it. IE 4 was crap, especially on DOS based platforms. I didnt play with NT4 much. IE 5 was much better, but I stilll had crashes. I can blame many of them on hardware and poorly designed websites though. I will admit earlier versions of netscape are crap, but how many Mozilla crashes have you seen? Non-beta of course. I will give you the benefit of the doubt though.

If you do not agree with what a person or company does you shold not purchase anything from them. Its the simple boycot principle.

Boycotting is fine; creating a bulleted list with a "it's not made by Microsoft" reason to prove that Mozilla is better than IE is moronic.

And one of my reasons for not using something cannot be my boycot? I dont think its moronic at all, its following through on what I say. Thats all. When Microsoft can port their software to more than 2 platforms, Ill consider using it more.

 

[GoSharks]

i have had IE5 crash on me trying to access a ftp site...

 

[Spyro]

Personally, I like the new tabs feature, but I don't really use the sidebar much.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: Slickone
NS 4.7x wasn't that bad. It didn't crash too often on me. 3.x did though. NS7/Mozilla hardly ever crashes. Opera 6 crashes fairly often for me.

BFG10K must be talking about an older Netscape.


Muadib: No, Avant Browser = 'IE Opera', not Opera.

Gotcha, thanks.

 

[BFG10K]

IE 4 was crap, especially on DOS based platforms. I didnt play with NT4 much.

I never used IE on DOS but I know on NT4 it was a rock.

And one of my reasons for not using something cannot be my boycot?

There's a big difference between asking "which browser do you prefer?" and "which browser is better?". A boycott is a valid reason for the first question but it's not a valid reason for the second question.

Is DOS 3.3 on the Apple IIe better than Windows XP because it's not made by Microsoft? Of course it isn't. Likewise Mozilla isn't automatically better than IE simply because it's not made by Microsoft.

Thats all. When Microsoft can port their software to more than 2 platforms, Ill consider using it more.

NT4 versions exist for x86, PPC, MIPs and Alpha.

i have had IE5 crash on me trying to access a ftp site...

Are you sure it wasn't just taking a long time to connect so it wasn't repainting the window? Slow FTP connections sometimes cause that but it doesn't mean the browser has crashed.

Another thing, if IE was so unstable then Windows use in general would also be unstable because almost everything made by Microsoft draws from the same HTML rendering engine that IE draws from. You'd constantly have problems with Office, Outlook Express, online help, etc.

Obviously that doesn't happen.