So our choice is a lying narcissist or a past his prime standard politician

[fskimospy]

Not a great look for either but Biden literally couldn't even make it down the steps from the stage. Will he even make it to November?

He needs to step aside or it's brokered convention time. The momentum for the latter will grow with every passing week.

I see you don't understand what a brokered convention is, lol. It's amazing how often you make these confident pants-shitting statements about topics you have zero knowledge of.

Biden's delegates are pledged to him - they aren't going anywhere without his say-so. The only way you get another nominee is if Biden chooses to step aside.

 

[nakedfrog]

Not a great look for either but Biden literally couldn't even make it down the steps from the stage. Will he even make it to November?

He needs to step aside or it's brokered convention time. The momentum for the latter will grow with every passing week.

Hm, how best to phrase this?

 

[gothuevos]

Hm, how best to phrase this?

Enjoy Trump 2.0, then.

 

[gothuevos]

The only way you get another nominee is if Biden chooses to step aside.

Crossing my fingers!

 

[brycejones]

Enjoy Trump 2.0, then.

Another mess on aisle 2.

 

[Brainonska511]

Enjoy Trump 2.0, then.

No thanks to chicken littles like yourself. Now is the time to keep your reservations to yourself and harp on Trump and his horrible policy ideas and highlight the good things Democrats have done instead of constantly, publicly shitting your diaper.

 

[fskimospy]

No thanks to chicken littles like yourself. Now is the time to keep your reservations to yourself and harp on Trump and his horrible policy ideas and highlight the good things Democrats have done instead of constantly, publicly shitting your diaper.

I have become increasingly convinced he's a concern troll. It's very rare for him to post anything other than 'of course I want Democrats to win but they are doomed in every election because [flavor of the month].'

 

[Greenman]

What is your assessment of Trump's performance?

It's Trump, he's a blow hard and an attack dog. Why would I expect anything other than what he is?

 

[Greenman]

Again though, the metrics he's being judged on are stupid. Apparently had he said the exact same things (only with more lies) but in a more confident voice then he would have been judged to have done well.

Also from what I heard the debate moderators were once again worthless. Like how is the first question asked not 'Trump, will you attempt another coup?'.

Joe's mental acuity is what was found lacking. His obvious decline is a completely valid reason to find another candidate. That's not a dig at Joe, it's something many of will face as we age. It's tragic, it's hard to see, and it's a fact of life.

 

[fskimospy]

It's Trump, he's a blow hard and an attack dog. Why would I expect anything other than what he is?

Does him refusing to accept the results of the election bother you considering he attempted a coup last time he lost?

 

[fskimospy]

Joe's mental acuity is what was found lacking. His obvious decline is a completely valid reason to find another candidate. That's not a dig at Joe, it's something many of will face as we age. It's tragic, it's hard to see, and it's a fact of life.

Odd then that people aren’t mentioning Trump’s obvious decline. If you actually listen to what he’s saying it’s dementia addled word salad. Why the double standard? Because Trump babbles while sounding more confident.

 

[mikeymikec]

I don't think stepping aside is worth it, given the party infighting that would result much closer to the election, the loss of name recognition, and incumbency advantage. Democrats would be better off publicly ignoring the suggestion of stepping aside. Stop shooting yourself in the dick and call on Republicans to clean their house, call on compromised SCOTUS justices to resign or be investigated. Now is the time to push back on the fascists, not act like everything is fine and only look inwardly.

Nope, the time for that was ~4 years ago at least.

"Sorry, was it the GQP justices I should have called on to quit?"

Yup, far better to ignore a problem than to fix it. Nothing could possibly go wrong with a Presidential candidate in noticeable cognitive decline.

Plus, what if Trump goes full-dementia first, pulls down his trousers on live TV and demonstrates that he went poopy, that would be good for the Democratic party, right? Unless of course the GQP replace him with someone who still has their marbles and then the Democratic party are caught on the back-foot and still in denial / "damage limitation mode" just when the GQP has a fresh wind in its sails and claiming that the GQP is a new party now, and the public has just had a very graphic demonstration of how ugly dementia gets.

Dementia does not wait for the least damaging time and place to fuck things up. It strikes often in stressful circumstances and unfamiliar settings. But thankfully being President involves neither of those things.

The bothsides guys are going to be laughing their asses off. It's often said that the easiest way for the right wing to get in is for people not to bother turning up to vote, and why would they when both candidates are probably due another cognitive assessment. Young people will surely be queuing around the block to vote for the epitome of "hush grandpa, take your pills", there's nothing quite like the notion that both candidates could easily be dead in the next 12 months to scream, "yes, that's absolutely the person that a 20-year-old like me should vote for, this octogenarian has their finger on the pulse of what affects young people!".

But sure, denial is definitively the best policy.

By the way, I sincerely hope I'm wrong in my predictions. I think both the US and UK seriously need to (and are well placed to) destroy conservatism in its current form, but our realistic alternatives are so fucking weak right now because neither of them really want to.

I'm also not normally calling for term limits or similar bullshit. A person simply being older should not rule them out of the running, but the US is pushing things to the extreme and is seeing predictable results.

 

[HomerJS]

It's Trump, he's a blow hard and an attack dog. Why would I expect anything other than what he is?

How many things besides Putin loves him more was Trump truthful?

 

[MrSquished]

I find it fascinating people who didn't watch at least a decent part of the debate say with confidence, it was just his voice!

What a load of bullshit. Biden often looked lost, said ridiculous things, sounded confused, it was not just his voice. He looked terrible overall.

And to those saying Obama had a bad first debate! That is not a fair comparison. Obama was a vibrant inspiring put together person that had a bad night. His bad debate was not characteristic of him, they didn't validate his negatives, he had something to recover to.

Biden is a frail old man often kept from the press who had a bad night, he is just living up to his potential and validating all the negatives against him.

 

[Greenman]

How many things besides Putin loves him more was Trump truthful?

Beats me, make a list if it makes you feel better.
My review of Joe's performance was "meets expectations". That isn't going to change, as it's not based on Trumps performance.

edit: Left out an "a".

 

[fskimospy]

Bets me, make a list if it makes you feel better.
My review of Joe's performance was "meets expectations". That isn't going to change, as it's not based on Trumps performance.

Do you think Trump should have to answer if he will engage in a second attempted coup?

 

[eelw]

- That's my general position. Voting against Trump and for the Admin/Platform, not for the man.

At the end of the day the President is always a figurehead. People control the info he gets, how he gets it, when he gets it, and what his options are. The admin is the one really running the country, the President just puts a face on it.

Exactly. Biden has surrounded himself with competent and supporting team. Not a bunch of butt kissers playing puppet master manipulating the orange monkey.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Bets me, make a list if it makes you feel better.
My review of Joe's performance was "meets expectations". That isn't going to change, as it's not based on Trumps performance.

Lord, you never answer questions. Trump is also in decline and is an idiot savant with marketing being his genius. He is vile and evil and you never acknowledge it. Though you have no problem with kids locked in cages so it is understandable.

 

[Greenman]

Odd then that people aren’t mentioning Trump’s obvious decline. If you actually listen to what he’s saying it’s dementia addled word salad. Why the double standard? Because Trump babbles while sounding more confident.

Ok? I'm not sure what you expect here. I'm going to defend Trumps performance.

 

[brycejones]

I'm going to defend Trumps performance.

We know

 

[fskimospy]

Ok? I'm not sure what you expect here. I'm going to defend Trumps performance.

Ok I imagine you meant 'not going to defend' but more importantly - what about the potential for a second coup attempt?

Trump tried one last time he lost and almost succeeded, what makes you think the next attempt won't work better?

 

[eelw]

Ok I imagine you meant 'not going to defend' but more importantly - what about the potential for a second coup attempt?

Trump tried one last time he lost and almost succeeded, what makes you think the next attempt won't work better?

Because he isn’t commander in chief and doesn’t control anything

 

[Fenixgoon]

Because he isn’t commander in chief and doesn’t control anything

He doesn't use the official armed forces in any way the first time...

 

[fskimospy]

Because he isn’t commander in chief and doesn’t control anything

I agree it would be much harder for him to carry off a coup in 2024. As I've also said Biden has the army and federal law enforcement so if he wants to fight it, he can most likely do so effectively.

If Trump wins in 2024 and then Republicans lose in 2028 though I fully expect a second coup. I think Trump would be too old to stay in power but whoever his chosen successor was would be the beneficiary.

 

[Greenman]

Do you think Trump should have to answer if he will engage in a second attempted coup?

Why would anyone answer a question that presumes guilt?
I understand that you're floundering a bit after last nights performance, but why bother asking me nonsense questions? You're not going to get an answer that makes you happy, you're not going to change the obvious fact that Biden is declining, what's the point?