So our choice is a lying narcissist or a past his prime standard politician

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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Imagine thinking we'll have free and fair elections in 2028 if Trump wins. The naivete of some people is mind-boggling
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Yes. Hillary Clinton was literally the most qualified candidate in fucking history. And she got shit on because she dared to wear pant suits.
I got another take; she has been in upper echelon of Democratic politics, and a potential candidate, for decades. Which means that the conservative propaganda network has also had decades to poison the well. Hillary's unfavourability is 98.5% on Fox and likewise network entities. In my opinion. Pure pizza pedo lizard disinformation. And its working.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Why would anyone answer a question that presumes guilt?
I understand that you're floundering a bit after last nights performance, but why bother asking me nonsense questions? You're not going to get an answer that makes you happy, you're not going to change the obvious fact that Biden is declining, what's the point?
Huh? What you're saying makes no sense.

What Trump did in 2021 was by definition an attempted auto-coup as we've previously agreed on. It is entirely reasonable to ask if he's going to try and overthrow the government again! How would that be anything other than the most important question?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Beats me, make a list if it makes you feel better.
My review of Joe's performance was "meets expectations". That isn't going to change, as it's not based on Trumps performance.

edit: Left out an "a".
Did you watch the debate? I asked a simple question for which you don’t know the answer. You were able to asses Biden but not Trump

Should be telling
 

APU_Fusion

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Dec 16, 2013
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Did you watch the debate? I asked a simple question for which you don’t know the answer. You were able to asses Biden but not Trump

Should be telling
Greenman is pathetic. He has no issue with kids in cages. I only engage with him so often when bored. Otherwise, he is on ignore because he is ignorant and malicious.
 
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JD50

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Sep 4, 2005
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Weird to say, but I'm actually gonna take Greenman's side on this one, kinda. Trump didn't really seem any different than he did 4 years ago, maybe even a little more reserved. Biden looked 100x worse than he did 4 years ago.

Although I do find it annoying how Trump gets a pass on like... everything. Trumps rambling about having the best H20 (lmao) and defending his absurd physical that said he was like the size of an NFL linebacker should be talked about as much as anything Biden did. Also the calls for the DNC to push Biden out, but no one is saying the RNC should push Trump out for his felony conviction, legal troubles, and the whole coup attempt.
 

APU_Fusion

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Dec 16, 2013
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Weird to say, but I'm actually gonna take Greenman's side on this one, kinda. Trump didn't really seem any different than he did 4 years ago, maybe even a little more reserved. Biden looked 100x worse than he did 4 years ago.

Although I do find it annoying how Trump gets a pass on like... everything. Trumps rambling about having the best H20 (lmao) and defending his absurd physical that said he was like the size of an NFL linebacker should be talked about as much as anything Biden did. Also the calls for the DNC to push Biden out, but no one is saying the RNC should push Trump out for his felony conviction, legal troubles, and the whole coup attempt.
It is not question of Biden’s disaster but the blatant disingenuous of Greenman only being able to assess Biden like he does for all his posts. He never questions the insanity of criminal Trump.
 
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fskimospy

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It is not question of Biden’s disaster but the blatant disingenuous of Greenman only being able to assess Biden like he does for all his posts. He never questions the insanity of criminal Trump.
Yeah at this time I don't think @Greenman has been able to render judgment on:

1) Trump's mental fitness
2) What evidence he will accept that Trump encourages violence
3) If Trump attempting a coup last time he was in office is problematic.

Plenty of time to analyze Biden though so I'm sure these are next on the list.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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While I never watch debates because I think they are stupid it seems the consensus is that Trump won because while he was frequently incoherent and constantly lying he did so in a confident manner and Biden lost because he was truthful but also sometimes incoherent but not in a confident way.

And…this is why I don’t watch the debates.
"Sometimes incoherent" is a major understatement.
 
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nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Ok I imagine you meant 'not going to defend' but more importantly - what about the potential for a second coup attempt?

Trump tried one last time he lost and almost succeeded, what makes you think the next attempt won't work better?
The thing is that he does not care. He's fine with it. It won't hurt him, personally, in his estimation. Supposing Trump's time is up, and he's followed his marching orders a la Project 2025 and the Christian nationalists get their way and he stays in office?
Greenman:

 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I don't see how Congress could get around this ruling and court even if they wanted to. Just look at student loan forgiveness - Congress wrote the most explicitly worded statute you could ever hope for and SCOTUS was like 'nah - still not good enough'.

Regulatory schemes are inherently complex and Congress will never, ever be able to write a statute explicit enough where a motivated judge can't find a reason to substitute their judgment for the FDA or whoever. It's an inherently stupid decision that substitutes the judgment of incompetents for experts.
Congress could pass Chevron into law though.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Odd then that people aren’t mentioning Trump’s obvious decline. If you actually listen to what he’s saying it’s dementia addled word salad. Why the double standard? Because Trump babbles while sounding more confident.
That was true in 2020, though.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Congress could pass Chevron into law though.
Congress’s intent that statutes be written with general goals that the regulatory agencies would fill in has been obvious congressional intent for decades and everyone knows it, SCOTUS included. I have no faith that if Congress granted blanket authority to agencies in the case of ambiguity that the court would decide that’s too Major of a Question.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Congress’s intent that statutes be written with general goals that the regulatory agencies would fill in has been obvious congressional intent for decades and everyone knows it, SCOTUS included. I have no faith that if Congress granted blanket authority to agencies in the case of ambiguity that the court would decide that’s too Major of a Question.
Has to be passed every congress or the question hasn’t been answered recently enough.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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"Sometimes incoherent" is a major understatement.
The Trump cultists are insane, so it is a bit unfair to call the willfully ignorant Biden supporters a cult, but they do have some similarities in regards to the rejection of the reality right in front of them.
 

Stokely

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Jun 5, 2017
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I vote more for the platform than I do the person, by a large margin.

In Trump's case, I detest him as much as I do his platform, so there's that.

I was hoping Biden could just make it through the election, because if he keels over a week after becoming President it's not like the policies are likely to change all that much.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Did you watch the debate? I asked a simple question for which you don’t know the answer. You were able to asses Biden but not Trump

Should be telling
I judged Biden on what I saw, I didn't fact check either of them. Trump was for the most part lucid, Biden not so much.

It's unfortunate that you can't accept my opinion as my opinion, but I can't help you out with that. I'm certainly not going to follow you off into the weeds about it.
 
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I judged Biden on what I saw, I didn't fact check either of them. Trump was for the most part lucid, Biden not so much.
Yes, the person with clear delusions of illegal immigrants hiding in yards to murder us all and vivid revenge fantasy dreams is "lucid". LOL
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I judged Biden on what I saw, I didn't fact check either of them. Trump was for the most part lucid, Biden not so much.

It's unfortunate that you can't accept my opinion as my opinion, but I can't help you out with that. I'm certainly not going to follow you off into the weeds about it.
#factsdontmattertogreenman
 
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Brovane

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Dec 18, 2001
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I judged Biden on what I saw, I didn't fact check either of them. Trump was for the most part lucid, Biden not so much.

It's unfortunate that you can't accept my opinion as my opinion, but I can't help you out with that. I'm certainly not going to follow you off into the weeds about it.

What was your take on Trump's statement that he would end the war in Ukraine before he got inaugurated if he was elected POTUS?
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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I judged Biden on what I saw, I didn't fact check either of them. Trump was for the most part lucid, Biden not so much.

It's unfortunate that you can't accept my opinion as my opinion, but I can't help you out with that. I'm certainly not going to follow you off into the weeds about it.
In your opinion is attempting a coup problematic for a presidential candidate?
 

Lanyap

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Dec 23, 2000
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Do I pick the old guy who has enacted some good policies, increased our respect around the world, gotten some good bills through a very narrow majority in congress, and cares about the country as a whole, or old guy who is a convicted felon, constant liar, actually seems to be suffering from dementia given the frequent word salads of made up words, and is verbally expressing revenge fantasies on his political enemies? Tough choice there /s.




You left out narcissist. That’s a biggy.
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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Harris would be the presumptive nominee in this universe and I'm not convinced that would go well.
No, I think that's a perceptive assessment. The GOP hates her. Others say she "isn't presidential". In my book, she's tip-top, experienced, knowledgeable and capable of rallying support from certain parts of the electorate. But, being the wise man that I am, I've long known that my advice is never heeded until years later. A lot of Americans are pretty damn stupid.

Anyway, about descriptive wording. The wrong side of your choice is a narcissistically disordered sociopath and life-long criminal who never had a real job before he inherited his daddy's bidnis and was featured on "The Apprentice".

I think it would've been better if he'd been drafted and then snuffed by the VC.
 
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