So our choice is a lying narcissist or a past his prime standard politician

[K1052]

My bad on the primary runoffs, I do know we have runoffs up here for other elections.

But as far as the third party excuse? Give me a break with this nonsense about some insignificant nobodies in that race, there are always nobodies, including a libertarian. That was just a complete dog ate my homework excuse. You simply haven't been able to admit how close a lot of the wins you tout were, and you and a couple others make them seem like massive victories. The Georgia Senate race was close as fook, and there is no third party candidate excuse. The general election was way too fucking close too. Even that jackoff fskim still says Biden's win was resounding in 2020. No, it was the last thing from resounding, because the fucking popular vote doesn't matter.

You are still covering for the shitty mistakes the Dems make, and it's your kind of thinking that has us stuck with Biden this year. Which is kind of insulting to any registered Dem with an intellect and self-respect.

If you need an outright majority and not just a plurality it can be quite hard to clear that bar. Even some presidents don't manage it. Warnock actually improved his margin from the special to the 22 election which in a typical midterm environment is kind of remarkable.

Anyway it's not like Democratic senators from Georgia have been much of an actual thing from Georgia in recent decades until now.

 

[MrSquished]

If you need an outright majority and not just a plurality it can be quite hard to clear that bar. Even some presidents don't manage it. Warnock actually improved his margin from the special to the 22 election which in a typical midterm environment is kind of remarkable.

Anyway it's not like Democratic senators from Georgia have been much of an actual thing from Georgia in recent decades until now.

Still can't admit it was super tight.

I have no further questions your Honor.

 

[K1052]

Still can't admit it was super tight.

I have no further questions your Honor.

I would not describe 94 and 99 thousand vote margins as "super tight". Then again I don't demand Saddam margins to consider something a real victory.

 

[esquared]

I would not describe 94 and 99 thousand vote margins as "super tight". Then again I don't demand Saddam margins to consider something a real victory.

I agree. Margins of 2.75%, aren't considered super tight in my book. That's a close but healthy win.

 

[MrSquished]

I would not describe 94 and 99 thousand vote margins as "super tight". Then again I don't demand Saddam margins to consider something a real victory.

Again you're ignoring the runoff part.

And the presidential election was way too close. I mean come on really?

 

[brycejones]

A libertarian in 2022. A ton of people in 21.



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Georgia is in fact the only state that holds runoffs for both a primary and general election. Also the geographic distribution of states that hold runoffs at all is lets say somewhat curious.




I guess I'm the asshole because I'm modestly curious about about electoral mechanics in America. My apologies.

Runoffs are just another way to disenfranchise minorities.

 

[HomerJS]

Trump is so much more than just a lying narcissist. In the grand scheme, this is really the least of his flaws that makes him a threat to the country and the world.

#1 - he is just fucking stupid, and doesn't understand how anything works, from the global economy, to showers.
#2 - he admires ruthless authorial dictators, such as Xi, Kin Jong-un, Putin, Hitler, etc., and clearly wants to emulate them.
#3 - he is a raging racist, would have been a great fit in Hitler's Arian views.
#4 - he is a misogynist monster that sees women as objects to control and pleasure him, if he finds them attractive.
#5 - he is a lazy sloth, probably hasn't put in more than a couple of hours of actual work in a week.
#6 - he has no self-control, something learned early in life when he never suffered consequences for his actions.

And to keep the list short, just closing with the fact he is just beyond painfully fucking stupid.

But the only observation @Greenman has is Trump was lucid. That is his opinion and must be respected.

BTW my observation of Hitler was he loved dogs

I’m not really shitting on @Greenman opinion but after all the stuff we’ve all seen and heard from him just “lucid” suggests a level of intentional denial.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Is it wise to compare 2020 to 2024? Yes, in 2020 Biden was absolutely the best candidate to defeat Trump. In 2024 is he still the best candidate the Dems could have put forth to defeat Trump? there is conversation to be had. A 50 something generic moderate democrat should slaughter a lunatic like Trump. And Yes, I know ... Trump is much more of a nutjob than he was in 2020, he's now a convicted felon in 2024 and he has more batshit policy goals than 2020. So why is the motherfucker polling neck and neck with Biden? We’ve had 4 years to defeat and bury one of the most easily defeated candidates of all time and one of the most terrible human beings of all time. This shouldn't be close at all.

You know what might be another problem? If Trump dropped dead tomorrow and the Republicans were able to run somebody else (younger and not batshit MAGA) against Biden. The fucking guy lives on a steady diet of garbage and rage. Biden may run out of gas and misspeak now and again, but Trump has auto-destruct engaged on a silent countdown. No need to worry about the next debate if Trump has a massive stroke or heart attack tomorrow which could very well happen and is much more likely to happen to a raging narcissist whose doctor tells him he is the very picture of health.

If Joe lasts until November, wins the election, and then dies a week later, he will have still saved the country. Kamala would become President and would complete what would have been Biden’s second term. Which would be fine for the country.

 

[esquared]

^^^
First paragraph.
10/10

 

[kage69]

Who was that crazy Roman Emperor that declared war on the ocean and had his soldiers stab the water?

I think he was Trumps ancestor.

Caligula. I read he made his legions collect sea shells for spoils of war to display at the triumph, their welcome home parade. Usually it's slaves, prisoners, livestock, carts full of goods, that kind of thing.

Then suddenly one day it's just nothing but clam shells and periwinkles haha. I think that guy was nuts before the lead toxicity had the predictable effects. Little Boots reminds me of Little Hands though. I bet the Clemson Tigers knew how those Romans felt. They get to the White House, in triumph, and that racist, classist shitbag Trump serves them cold McDonalds. Remember that? Ugh.

 

[Jaskalas]

Even with the choices put that way, the choice is clear still.

The choice may be clear to us, no one here is undecided.
But we shouldn't be the subject matter.
For those elsewhere, for whom the choice is not clear, there are problems with hoisting up a bag of bones and calling it a leader who we should vote for.

I know why I am opposing Trump. If it wasn't with my vote, then it would be with force. His opponent does not matter to us. But a President should be a communicator. The power, position, the JOB of the President is not just to give orders. It is to command the audience. To grab our attention, to deliver and drive home a narrative. To set course and hope others will follow. Does Biden present us a future to vote for, for the undecided to move towards? Did he sell us on policy?

Not the things you would paint onto him. But his own words. Ask yourself if he delivered without the context of already being allied. Of already assuming a larger Democrat platform. No, to understand the undecided you must take measure of the man AND how he presents himself. By himself. The charisma or lackthereof. Otherwise you will never truly understand those who still think there is a choice to be made.

 

[fskimospy]

People are dramatically misreading how big a problem Biden’s age is. If you think replacing Biden with someone younger would lead to a landslide then you should be able to explain why Trudeau is likely headed to defeat.

The most likely correct answer is that the burst of major inflation that happened in 2022 pissed off the electorate of most democracies and whoever was in charge at that time faces significant electoral headwinds because of it.

If the Republicans were running anyone other than Trump they would win this election easily most likely.

 

[HomerJS]

People are dramatically misreading how big a problem Biden’s age is. If you think replacing Biden with someone younger would lead to a landslide then you should be able to explain why Trudeau is likely headed to defeat.

The most likely correct answer is that the burst of major inflation that happened in 2022 pissed off the electorate of most democracies and whoever was in charge at that time faces significant electoral headwinds because of it.

If the Republicans were running anyone other than Trump they would win this election easily most likely.

Why are they are not pissed about the way Covid was handled and being lied to? Short memory?

Why aren’t they pissed about tax cuts for rich that did nothing but raise the deficit?

 

[Greenman]

But the only observation @Greenman has is Trump was lucid. That is his opinion and must be respected.

BTW my observation of Hitler was he loved dogs

I’m not really shitting on @Greenman opinion but after all the stuff we’ve all seen and heard from him just “lucid” suggests a level of intentional denial.

What other observation should I make? Sure as hell I'm not going to go through everything either of them said to see who was the most deceptive. I don't care for either of them, but this being the choice we have each of us gets to decide which turd smells worse, then vote for the other one.
I'll never go down the fan boy road proclaiming the guy I choose is the greatest ever just because he's not the other guy, or pretends to care about my pet issue.

Btw. I don't expect anyone to respect my opinion, if it was something I cared about I wouldn't post here.

 

[fskimospy]

What other observation should I make? Sure as hell I'm not going to go through everything either of them said to see who was the most deceptive. I don't care for either of them, but this being the choice we have each of us gets to decide which turd smells worse, then vote for the other one.
I'll never go down the fan boy road proclaiming the guy I choose is the greatest ever just because he's not the other guy, or pretends to care about my pet issue.

Btw. I don't expect anyone to respect my opinion, if it was something I cared about I wouldn't post here.

Does Trump attempting a coup last time he was president affect your decision on who to vote for?

 

[Indus]

mic drop

 

[K1052]

People are dramatically misreading how big a problem Biden’s age is. If you think replacing Biden with someone younger would lead to a landslide then you should be able to explain why Trudeau is likely headed to defeat.

The most likely correct answer is that the burst of major inflation that happened in 2022 pissed off the electorate of most democracies and whoever was in charge at that time faces significant electoral headwinds because of it.

If the Republicans were running anyone other than Trump they would win this election easily most likely.

I think trying to force him out at the convention, as some sugguest, is not remotely possible and would be a titanic political mistake to try. A lot of people who voted in the primary like him and wanted him and the resulting backlash would rend the party. The only way he's not at the top of the ticket is if he decides so and the people who influence that decision are not like the Pod Save America guys. There is his wife and maybe five other people in his orbit with that kind of influence. People throwing out all kinds of names are both chasing that "generic democrat' the polls showed doing well and ignoring the reality that Harris is the only realistic alternative for many reasons, there is no primary do over to be had here.

 

[brycejones]

Does Trump attempting a coup last time he was president affect your decision on who to vote for?

Narrator: No it did not, because no one attempted a coup according to greenman.

 

[K1052]

Narrator: No it did not, because no one attempted a coup according to greenman.

Some people you just have to assume are nominally pro-coup because they like the regime that would have ended up in power. Even if they don't want to come out and say it because it sounds bad.

 

[Greenman]

Does Trump attempting a coup last time he was president affect your decision on who to vote for?

I think I missed that piece of news. Has Trump been charged with insurrection or treason?

 

[Indus]

Some people you just have to assume are nominally pro-coup because they like the regime that would have ended up in power. Even if they don't want to come out and say it because it sounds bad.

Nailed it!

 

[Indus]

I think I missed that piece of news. Has Trump been charged with insurrection or treason?

All the proof you'll ever need of him being a MAGAT as if you really need it at this point.

Off to ignore he goes!

 

[K1052]

I think I missed that piece of news. Has Trump been charged with insurrection or treason?

Buddy we didn't even put Jefferson Davis and crew on trial and I can point you to the cemeteries full of Americans they are responsible for creating. Want to pretend that didn't happen?

 

[fskimospy]

I think I missed that piece of news. Has Trump been charged with insurrection or treason?

You didn’t miss the news, in fact we have discussed it repeatedly and you agreed with me that Trump told Pence to commit an illegal act to keep him in power.

If you would like to explain why Trump attempting to have his vice president illegally throw out electoral votes so that he could remain president after losing the 2020 election is not a coup attempt I’m open to hearing it.

If you cannot or will not explain that, same question as before. Does Trump attempting a coup affect your vote?

 

[soulcougher73]

Trump just gish gallops his way to percieved victory.