Don't believe your lying eyes and ears. We all know that no one can know any sort of objective truth until it has been adjudicated in criminal court.Buddy we didn't even put Jefferson Davis and crew on trial and I can point you to the cemeteries full of Americans they are responsible for creating. Want to pretend that didn't happen?
Speaking of things adjudicated in court - @Greenman does Trump being indicted for 91 felonies, including felonies related to his coup attempt affect your vote at all?Don't believe your lying eyes and ears. We all know that no one can know any sort of objective truth until it has been adjudicated in criminal court.
I'm expecting an answer like: "Nope. Can't decide until those charges are adjudicated. Until then, they're just allegations."Speaking of things adjudicated in court - @Greenman does Trump being indicted for 91 felonies, including felonies related to his coup attempt affect your vote at all?
I mean we all know the game he’s playing, which is to find a way to justify his decision to vote for Trump.I'm expecting an answer like: "Nope. Can't decide until those charges are adjudicated. Until then, they're just allegations."
From your posting here I’m not sure you aren’t fan boying. Because he's a famous “rich”, Republican you don’t need to know what he is, what he says, or what he does. He gets the benefit of your doubt.What other observation should I make? Sure as hell I'm not going to go through everything either of them said to see who was the most deceptive. I don't care for either of them, but this being the choice we have each of us gets to decide which turd smells worse, then vote for the other one.
I'll never go down the fan boy road proclaiming the guy I choose is the greatest ever just because he's not the other guy, or pretends to care about my pet issue.
Btw. I don't expect anyone to respect my opinion, if it was something I cared about I wouldn't post here.
I feel Greenmans wife could be killed right in front of his eyes by Trump on 5th avenue, and Greenman would go “well Trump did say he could do it and not lose a vote”.I mean we all know the game he’s playing, which is to find a way to justify his decision to vote for Trump.
As @K1052 alluded to though it’s awkward to say you’re voting for a serial felon who attempted a coup so @Greenman is desperately trying to avoid grappling with that. I’m just looking to make it as awkward as possible.
I imagine if he hasn’t already he will shut down and not return to this thread shortly or do what he did in another thread and declare there is no evidence he will accept to change his mind because in the end he’s stuck.
I feel Greenmans wife could be killed right in front of his eyes by Trump on 5th avenue, and Greenman would go “well Trump did say he could do it and not lose a vote”.
Amusingly enough he’s already been convicted of 31 felonies but apparently even conviction isn’t sufficient.Innocent until convicted in a court of law would, one assumes, be his position even if he personally witnessed the crime. Or so his posting indicates lol.
Amusingly enough he’s already been convicted of 31 felonies but apparently even conviction isn’t sufficient.
But we're not in a court. We don't have to hold him innocent until proven guilty. We are able to believe our eyes and come up with a judgement. Greenie sadly doesn't believe his eyes. He just sticks his head in the sand and repeats the same has he been convicted crap.Innocent until convicted in a court of law would, one assumes, be his position even if he personally witnessed the crime. Or so his posting indicates lol.
It was darkly funny how fast it went:Those weren't real crimes. Made up by the Biden admin DOJ crimes...in NY somehow.
I think trying to force him out at the convention, as some sugguest, is not remotely possible and would be a titanic political mistake to try. A lot of people who voted in the primary like him and wanted him and the resulting backlash would rend the party. The only way he's not at the top of the ticket is if he decides so and the people who influence that decision are not like the Pod Save America guys. There is his wife and maybe five other people in his orbit with that kind of influence. People throwing out all kinds of names are both chasing that "generic democrat' the polls showed doing well and ignoring the reality that Harris is the only realistic alternative for many reasons, there is no primary do over to be had here.
I’m sure he totally won that hole though…If there is a throw of the dice.. it should be Biden replacing Harris with Warnock or something like that.. not the head of the ticket.
But never forget you're against a fascist wanna be dictator, not a top athlete:
It’s not detachment from reality, it’s bad faith. If Biden were guilty of even a single one of those things and under identical circumstances Republicans would call for his impeachment, resignation, etc.It's pretty funny to hear magats get all frothy about how the Dems should replace Biden. Setting aside the multiple reasons that won't happen, amazing to hear the nutjobs who accept fraud, rape, felonies, impeachment, treason, drug use, corruption and theft from their chosen shitstain practically demand their opposition replace their guy over one bad debate showing. The detachment from reality is still very much on point with these people.
The magat brain worms in action again I guess. I wish there was a cure for them beyond old age, disease and pandemics.
I think I missed that piece of news. Has Trump been charged with insurrection or treason?
How about the substance of his answers?What other observation should I make? Sure as hell I'm not going to go through everything either of them said to see who was the most deceptive. I don't care for either of them, but this being the choice we have each of us gets to decide which turd smells worse, then vote for the other one.
I'll never go down the fan boy road proclaiming the guy I choose is the greatest ever just because he's not the other guy, or pretends to care about my pet issue.
Btw. I don't expect anyone to respect my opinion, if it was something I cared about I wouldn't post here.
It’s not detachment from reality, it’s bad faith. If Biden were guilty of even a single one of those things and under identical circumstances Republicans would call for his impeachment, resignation, etc.
People are dramatically misreading how big a problem Biden’s age is. If you think replacing Biden with someone younger would lead to a landslide then you should be able to explain why Trudeau is likely headed to defeat.
The most likely correct answer is that the burst of major inflation that happened in 2022 pissed off the electorate of most democracies and whoever was in charge at that time faces significant electoral headwinds because of it.
If the Republicans were running anyone other than Trump they would win this election easily most likely.
If Biden’s age is the issue then explain why nearly every incumbent government is facing a similar problem.Well ... Is Trudeau running against an 81 year old who will be 86 at the end of his term? last I looked, the guy who could take out Trudeau is Pierre Poilievre who is 44. If Bidens age isn't a "big problem" then what IS the problem. Biden with all his accomplishments and being a good man and an actual normal human being is running neck and neck with a titanic imbecile, one of the worst people on the planet, and for months we’ve been told it’s at best a toss-up. wtf! They can't lose twice to this totally unfit nutjob.
Biden’s mission in that debate was:
Lay to rest he’s too old
Fact check Trump and bitch slap him down
Those things didn't happen
It's rare that I get into a conversation about this election without hearing "Is this the best we in America could run for President - 2 candidates that are older than dirt". Although, I am now in South Florida, so I am exposed to more batshit than I was when I lived in the Philly suburbs. There are some good signs down here that Trump is wearing thin to many, and recreational weed and abortion are on the ballot, so it will bring out more voters who will be more likely to vote for Biden. (I think? maybe?) I still think the state will stay solidly red.
The Dems CAN'T fuck this up. There is no do over. This is the most important election in our lifetime. Hopefully this is a wakeup call. I'm coming back down to earth here after that debate spooked and shocked me a little. Urgency to address a serious existential threat(Trump)is good. Sharp pains calls attention to the problem. Aggressive damage control is necessary. A call for all to come around the table and let us hear options, is and should be useful.
I am hopeful more of this will be coming. We need MORE of this from the pathetic 4th estate who just normalize this clown Trump. Kudo's to the Philly Inquirer editorial board and thank you!
To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race | Editorial Board
Biden had a horrible night Thursday. But the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.www.inquirer.com
How can you be getting dumber by the day. There is a right-wing movement that is catching momentum across the globe, That doesn't mean that every race is the same on a more micro level.If Biden’s age is the issue then explain why nearly every incumbent government is facing a similar problem.
How can you be getting dumber by the day. There is a right-wing movement that is catching momentum across the globe, That doesn't mean that every race is the same on a more micro level.
You're trying to apply a rule that if a younger leader is in trouble somewhere that means age doesn't matter anywhere. We can make all sorts of rules using that dumb fuck logic.
Complete falsehood. The logic of a kindergartner.