so, socialism works?

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sunzt

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Capitalism works and socialism doesn't. If you don't like Capitalism even though you're benefiting from it right now then feel free to move to a socialist country.

You're also benefiting from socialism in this country. Ever drive on a road?
 

OverVolt

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If you are a robot, words like socialism will trigger autonomic reactions. You may feel a sudden rage or fear that somebody is going to take something from you, that you will be sucked down some black funnel and become a member socially contemptible class, etc. Robots are programmed to react to words by brainwashing. It's really pathetic to be like that, to be only a primitive reaction like a worm that shies away from light, with no override mechanism that allows real thinking to take place. There are so so many words like this that amount to BOO for the mentally disabled, folk who walk though life on auto-pilot.

If there are brain cells in there still firing, you should be afraid. Look at USSR 1989 derp.

Socialism doesn't unwind until literally everyone is so poor you can't eat. It takes everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Instead of bread lines there is SNAP instead. Can't wait until 50% of the population is on them. We are at 17% and rising fast. Socialism yeah!
 

OverVolt

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Yea I saw afterwards honestly. Cars and homes are not means of production, ah well. Anyway I'm not against public ownership of roads but it doesn't justify socialism.

1989 was some of the worst years to live in USSR. Not sure what point there is to be missed. In 1989 some economics textbooks were saying USSR was a model communist economy and proof that communism can work as an alternative. That worked out well, it collapsed in 1991.

Samuelson concluded the economic description of the Soviet Union and marxism in 1989: "Contrary to what many skeptics had earlier believed, the Soviet economy is proof that ... a socialist command economy can function and even thrive." [14] The Collapse of Communism happened during the same year and the Soviet Union broke up two years later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Samuelson

Yes from wiki, it is such a well known example though.
 
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Veliko

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Yea I saw afterwards honestly. Cars and homes are not means of production, ah well. Anyway I'm not against public ownership of roads but it doesn't justify socialism.

1989 was some of the worst years to live in USSR. Not sure what point there is to be missed. In 1989 some economics textbooks were saying USSR was a model communist economy and proof that communism can work as an alternative. That worked out well, it collapsed in 1991.

You sound very confused about socialism actually is.
 

berzerker60

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Roads are a fundamentally important input in trucking businesses, gas stations, rest stops, and through these, basically every good ever sold. Just because you don't have to think about it because it seems "free" doesn't mean it's actually free or unimportant.

As others have said, "socialism" isn't an all-or-nothing thing that needs to be desperately fought. It's not a slippery slope, it's just a regular scale that you can adjust on a case-by-case basis. Socialized roads make great sense. Socialized police at better than private police for society. Socialized medicine would be a great bonus in my mind, economically and from a human welfare point of view. On the other hand, government businesses aren't going to respond as quickly to market changes private firms, so I'm not in favor of socializing computer production, for instance. On the other hand, some industries DO belong in semi-government control (really, just heavily regulated private control), in particular utility companies that have natural monopolies.

I really look forward to the day when the Cold Warriors have all died off and we can have a public conversation in this country about working together on particular things without instant resort to antiquated rhetoric from an ideological conflict that doesn't apply today.
 
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OverVolt

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You sound very confused about socialism actually is.

Nah, socialism ideologically is never what socialism does in practice. It always results in bread lines, command economies, etc. in practice.

Look at Europe if you want to know what socialism does, since Europe is more socialist than the US.
 

zinfamous

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Capitalism works and socialism doesn't. If you don't like Capitalism even though you're benefiting from it right now then feel free to move to a socialist country.

socialism works completely well in the countries where it thrives--even in the USA.

...but you're just an uneducated sock puppet that wouldn't recognize socialism (or captitalism, for that matter) if it bit you on your shriveled pencil dick.
 

zinfamous

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If there are brain cells in there still firing, you should be afraid. Look at USSR 1989 derp.

Socialism doesn't unwind until literally everyone is so poor you can't eat. It takes everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Instead of bread lines there is SNAP instead. Can't wait until 50% of the population is on them. We are at 17% and rising fast. Socialism yeah!

oh, you're talking about communism!

lol. try to stay on topic. derp.
 

zinfamous

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I'd love to know what wealth is generated by roads.

OK, I am starting to believe the public education system is, indeed, failing us.

this is one of the dumbest fucking failures of a comment. sad to say, it wasn't even from incorrigible the sock puppet.
 

sandorski

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Nah, socialism ideologically is never what socialism does in practice. It always results in bread lines, command economies, etc. in practice.

Look at Europe if you want to know what socialism does, since Europe is more socialist than the US.

The EU's current situation has nothing to do with Socialism. It's a combination of a poorly conceived governance and a weakness within Capitalism itself. The same weakness that struck the US economy in 2008.
 

OverVolt

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OK, I am starting to believe the public education system is, indeed, failing us.

this is one of the dumbest fucking failures of a comment. sad to say, it wasn't even from incorrigible the sock puppet.

Eh I fire off my keyboard for fun without really checking. A quick wiki searched proved otherwise but I "let it ride" for fun. It didn't take long for someone to find the exact same link I already read.

I was overextending to make the point I wanted to make and I knew it, meh. You guys are overly critical in my opinion. Especially considering how horrendously wrong you guys will be on how the Eurozone plays out :awe:
 

Matt1970

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Sadly, most people opposed to socialism think they are the same thing.

Communism is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy.

Very similar.
 

OverVolt

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The EU's current situation has nothing to do with Socialism. It's a combination of a poorly conceived governance and a weakness within Capitalism itself. The same weakness that struck the US economy in 2008.

France has a 75% tax on the rich, government run healthcare, etc. How is that not socialism.
 

zinfamous

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Eh I fire off my keyboard for fun without really checking. A quick wiki searched proved otherwise but I "let it ride" for fun. It didn't take long for someone to find the exact same link I already read.

I was overextending to make the point I wanted to make and I knew it, meh. You guys are overly critical in my opinion. Especially considering how horrendously wrong you guys will be on how the Eurozone plays out :awe:

it's not socialism that is bringing the Eurozone down, but the fact that these rather disparate cultures and countries with very different standards, very different goals, and very different economic structures are striving to create a single successful beast out of a few stalwart Bulls and a panoply of feeble, mismanaged donkeys.

Germany is just fine. France and the UK are, in reality, no worse-off than we are. Spain, Greece and Italy are complete disasters, or course. As berzerker60 mentioned in his brilliant post earlier, it's a sliding scale, just like capitalism. it's pretty clear to anyone with a single twitching ganglion that pure capitalism is just as bad, just as evil as pure socialism. certain systems perform best under socialist structures, and others work more efficiently when driven by market pressure.

You should use "Europe" as a clear example of how socialist democracy works like gangbusters: Germany, Denmark, Norway, etc, and how unrestrained balls-to-the-wall socialism is internally disastrous: Greece, Spain--rather than the sock puppety catch-all of "Urope is commie! derpaderp!"

save the simple, unread thoughts for the dolts like Incorruptible to drool themselves to sleep over.
 
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