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lotus503

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Well why don't you please detail which nazi economic policies you think are more in line with free-market capitalism than socialsim



Which is why I then went on to detail their economic policies that were much more in line with socialism than free-market capitalism.

The correct question is which economic policies were more in line with fascism vs capitalism.

If you can even ask the right question how do you expect the right answer?
 

Abraxas

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Actually anyone with a marginal knowledge of history would know that Nazi's were the National Socialist Party.

But hey in case that isn't enough for you:


:hmm:

Just like how the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is a Democratic Republic, right? If you call yourself something it must be true. :awe:

Edit: Crap, beaten to the punch.
 

unokitty

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The irrelevance of this talking points regurgitation to the current discussion shouldn't disguise that neither of these are at all accurate. No one's income tax was audited in the recent IRS wrong-doings. No journalist's phones were tapped in the recent AP thing, though logs of who they had called / received calls from were accessed, which is still a serious issue but a different one. Also, the AP thing had nothing to do with which party they were involved in (I thought all members of the *~liberal media~* were commies anyway?).


Your defense of Dear Leader Obama has been noted.

Now, if you would please work diligently to convince everyone that the IRS scandal happened for the same reason as a previous scandal. For example, if you could again blame it on a YouTube Video, or even better, blame it on the Republicans, Dear Leader would be most grateful.

Uno
 

Abraxas

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Well why don't you please detail which nazi economic policies you think are more in line with free-market capitalism than socialsim



Which is why I then went on to detail their economic policies that were much more in line with socialism than free-market capitalism.

Why don't you tell how a party that:

(1) claims to be socialist (including in the party name).
(2) opposed free market capitalism
(3) hate capitalism
(4) argued that capitalism damages nations

Or how about another quote from a party leader
Quote:
Another radical Nazi, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels adamantly stressed the socialist character of Nazism, and claimed in his diary that if he were to pick between Bolshevism and capitalism, he said "in final analysis", "it would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under capitalism."
So really tell us how Nazi's are not socialists?

Because the people had no control of or ownership of the means of production?

You are making a fundamental error in viewing all economics as either capitalist or socialist. Contrary to popular belief, it is not a sliding scale between the two, there are in fact an enormous number of economic systems. Traditional barter economies are neither socialism nor capitalism, feudalism was neither capitalism or socialism, and neither is fascism socialism or capitalism. They have different names because they are different things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Economics

In particular, the anti-communism section lays out quite clearly where Nazi philosophy and socialism, in particular:

The Nazis claimed that communism was dangerous to the well-being of nations because of its intention to dissolve private property, its support of class conflict, its aggression against the middle class, its hostility towards small businessmen, and its atheism.[152] Nazism rejected class conflict-based socialism and economic egalitarianism, favouring instead a stratified economy with social classes based on merit and talent, retaining private property, and the creation of national solidarity that transcends class distinction.[153]

During the 1920s, Hitler urged disparate Nazi factions to unite in opposition to "Jewish Marxism."[154] Hitler asserted that the "three vices" of "Jewish Marxism" were democracy, pacifism and internationalism.[155]

In 1930, Hitler said: "Our adopted term ‘Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxist Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not."[156] In 1942, Hitler privately said: "I absolutely insist on protecting private property ... we must encourage private initiative".[157]
 
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gingermeggs

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socialism has never worked and never will. Those idiots who vote for socialism now have to pay for their stupidity.

Hopefully this shuts up the idiots on here who want socialism.

Just depends on which day you pay the proletariat- pay them on Friday after they've done the work- it works just plumb dandy like!

Need to put responsibility as a foundation of any system, I don't see the crony capitalism as being a good alternative- especially when the tax payer bankroles a bunch of crooks at the top end of the economic food chain....I'd take socialist democracy(that's what is evolving world wide) any day over whats happened in Merika over the last 30 years- What a den of thieves and murderers............
 
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bryanl

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Actually anyone with a marginal knowledge of history would know that Nazi's were the National Socialist Party.
Your statement demonstrates a great deal of ignorance. Hitler's National Socialists and the German socialist party opposed each other, and Hitler actually defined National Socialism in terms of patriotism and militarism, with no references to socialism, a philosophy he hated.
 

Matt1970

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That's what they say

Why Finland's Unorthodox Education System Is The Best In The World

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/finlands-education-system-best-in-world-2012-11?op=1#ixzz2USRj6kqD

I don't feel like digging to far into that but they have more teachers per students, pay their teachers more but spend 30% less per student? I did see Teachers are selected from the top 10% of graduates and 6,600 applicants vied for 660 primary school training slots. We don't have that luxury here.
 

berzerker60

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We absolutely have that luxury financially, the trick is that anti-intellectualism runs pretty deep in American culture and always has. As long as a sizable amount of the population sincerely doesn't believe that education is worth sacrificing for and something to be admired, rather than a threat to their political/religious beliefs, and as long as another (not mutually exclusive) set of the population is stuck in poverty for generations and have to work such hours they can't support their kids' educations, we're never going to have the home-life support that makes good education possible.

We pay teachers poorly relative to their education level in this country, then shit on them when test scores aren't great, as if they have full control there. Parents who understand the value of education are by far the most important factor, and a difficult thing for any policy initiative to affect.
 

Matt1970

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We absolutely have that luxury financially, the trick is that anti-intellectualism runs pretty deep in American culture and always has. As long as a sizable amount of the population sincerely doesn't believe that education is worth sacrificing for and something to be admired, rather than a threat to their political/religious beliefs, and as long as another (not mutually exclusive) set of the population is stuck in poverty for generations and have to work such hours they can't support their kids' educations, we're never going to have the home-life support that makes good education possible.

We pay teachers poorly relative to their education level in this country, then shit on them when test scores aren't great, as if they have full control there. Parents who understand the value of education are by far the most important factor, and a difficult thing for any policy initiative to affect.

Seems it's not what you spend but how you spend it.

Finland spends around 30 percent less per student than the United States.
Finland has less students per class.
 

JMapleton

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Funny how all the countries mentioned on those images are small, undiverse countries with little economic power or international responsibility.

The United States is a hugely diverse and unique country. The same rules that apply for say, Finland, do not always apply to the US.

Our people are different. Our culture is different. Our attitude is difference. Our economy is different. And the purpose our country is different.

In the US, freedom comes before prosperity. Never forget that. That sounds a little weird to some, but it's what makes our country unique and great.
 

JMapleton

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Seems it's not what you spend but how you spend it.

Finland spends around 30 percent less per student than the United States.
Finland has less students per class.

School budget is only a minor influence on the performance of students. Parent and at home is by far the largest influence in student success.

People fail to forget the United States is vastly different than a country like Finland. Our culture and the situations at home that kids face is much much difference. Look at China. How much do they spend on education? Much less than us but their students are highly successful. It has nothing to do with the schools! It's about the parents!

Quit looking for the government to solve your problems. Success begins at home.
 

Veliko

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Funny how all the countries mentioned on those images are small, undiverse countries with little economic power or international responsibility.

The United States is a hugely diverse and unique country. The same rules that apply for say, Finland, do not always apply to the US.

Our people are different. Our culture is different. Our attitude is difference. Our economy is different. And the purpose our country is different.

In the US, freedom comes before prosperity. Never forget that. That sounds a little weird to some, but it's what makes our country unique and great.

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

The fact that the US does thing badly is because it's better.
 

sandorski

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Funny how all the countries mentioned on those images are small, undiverse countries with little economic power or international responsibility.

The United States is a hugely diverse and unique country. The same rules that apply for say, Finland, do not always apply to the US.

Our people are different. Our culture is different. Our attitude is difference. Our economy is different. And the purpose our country is different.

In the US, freedom comes before prosperity. Never forget that. That sounds a little weird to some, but it's what makes our country unique and great.

Reality remains consistent for all.
 

gingermeggs

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Funny how all the countries mentioned on those images are small, undiverse countries with little economic power or international responsibility.

The United States is a hugely diverse and unique country. The same rules that apply for say, Finland, do not always apply to the US.

Our people are different. Our culture is different. Our attitude is difference. Our economy is different. And the purpose our country is different.

In the US, freedom comes before prosperity. Never forget that. That sounds a little weird to some, but it's what makes our country unique and great.

Ohhh your people are definitely different!!!!!
Certifiably different!!!!!

But your got a nerve to call "Murika" a culture-
It's almost the invert of what a cultured place is.

........Freedom??? Nah!!!!
Fiefdom of the amoral financial sector more like it, because only few people in the shithole of a country are seeing the prosperity, except maybe the arms dealers, oil or pharmaceutical company's.
Be fucked if I'd bother going there ever again!



Culture......hahhahahahaa!
Are you trying to be sarcastic???
 
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