so there's an asian guy in the NBA that's not 8 ft tall?

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HendrixFan

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In this short stretch Lin is averaging 26.8pts, 8 ast, 4.6 boards, and 2 steals. People who know much more about bball than ATOTers are making comparisons with Nash because it's a fair comparison. Even Nash has made some statements. If you can't see the comparisons you are blind. Obviously Lin has only been doing it a short while, but so far what he's been doing has been a Nash level of play, end of story.

I don't think anyone here is contending that his numbers aren't incredible, if even for a short run. Comparing PG play to other PGs is fine. It was the posts claiming that Lin had surpassed Nash that are nonsense.
 

slayer202

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I don't think anyone here is contending that his numbers aren't incredible, if even for a short run. Comparing PG play to other PGs is fine. It was the posts claiming that Lin had surpassed Nash that are nonsense.

I went back a few pages and didn't see any such statement but maybe I missed something...
 

Insomniator

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The way he is playing the past 4 games, Lin is Nash without a jump shot.

Time will tell if Lin can do it until he is almost 40 however. History says no, since most players do not make it into the HOF.

And Hendrix, watch the damn games you comment on.
 

HendrixFan

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you contend he's a flash in the pan and has issues going left, when he's proven he does so without much of a problem in his first 4 major games?

feel free to acknowledge the basic fact. he drove left numerous times against the lakers as well. did you watch that game, or are you pulling a hendrix?

Anyone who has watched the Lakers for the last 3 years knows EVERYONE can drive past their weak perimeter defense. Opposing PGs of any type always have career games against the Lakers.
 

slayer202

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And you're using Tebow like arguments saying that the opponents are garbage. Did you see the Knicks team last year since they got Melo? Have you seen them this year when they were healthy and added Chandler? They were a shit team. Go see the teams they've lost to, I'm sure plenty were on the same level as these teams they are beating now without Amare and Melo...
 

HendrixFan

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I went back a few pages and didn't see any such statement but maybe I missed something...

It was a post by sureshot234 that was reaching, he got called out on, and others were quick to try and defend by adding to the hyperbole.
 
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In this short stretch Lin is averaging 26.8pts, 8 ast, 4.6 boards, and 2 steals. People who know much more about bball than ATOTers are making comparisons with Nash because it's a fair comparison. Even Nash has made some statements. If you can't see the comparisons you are blind. Obviously Lin has only been doing it a short while, but so far what he's been doing has been a Nash level of play, end of story.

I never said the guy didn't have game. He does. Comparing him to Nash right now is silly. Analysts say stuff to spark controversy so take it with a grain of salt.

Just going by 4 games since that's all we have he's still not Nash. He almost looks more like a 2 guard to me. I think last night he was kinda exposed. At times they would throw him the ball and he just passed it back out. Kinda at a loss on how to attack the D. Now just watch Nash and tell me when you ever seen some nasty D have Nash passing the ball back out. Doesn't happen.
 

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I don't think anyone here is contending that his numbers aren't incredible, if even for a short run. Comparing PG play to other PGs is fine. It was the posts claiming that Lin had surpassed Nash that are nonsense.

i never made that claim, but you made the claim it was absurd to even compare him to nash. feel free to go back and correct your mistake if you didn't mean to state "compare", which nba personnel, including magic, have already done.
 

al981

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You keep sending links to the media discussing the story that they discuss. You still haven't given me the basis for your claims.

I probably watch 300 NBA games a year, maybe more. I re-watch any I think are great games too.

well, that article, along with hundreds of others, sum up my feelings and observations. not going to type it all out for a troll who doesn't even watch games.
 

al981

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You're dealing with a guy that makes an argument for Lin over Nash after 4 games and one of the four games being meh.

i made no such claim of lin over nash. try again, kid.

edit: though i have stated lin's defense is better. that's an easy observation.
 

Sureshot324

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It was a post by sureshot234 that was reaching, he got called out on, and others were quick to try and defend by adding to the hyperbole.

Somebody else said he was the asian Steve Nash, and then I replied saying he was already more athletic and a better defender, but wasn't on Nash's level offensively yet. I don't see how that's reaching. It's 100% true.

He's already playing much better than Nash was in his Sophomore season so he could quite possibly surpass him eventually.
 

child of wonder

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I never said the guy didn't have game. He does. Comparing him to Nash right now is silly. Analysts say stuff to spark controversy so take it with a grain of salt.

Just going by 4 games since that's all we have he's still not Nash. He almost looks more like a 2 guard to me. I think last night he was kinda exposed. At times they would throw him the ball and he just passed it back out. Kinda at a loss on how to attack the D. Now just watch Nash and tell me when you ever seen some nasty D have Nash passing the ball back out. Doesn't happen.

Anyone remember when Mike James put up 20 and 6 for an entire season? He began drawing comparisons to players like Tim Hardaway, etc. Just a couple years later, James was considered trash as teams began to better understand how to defend him.

Not saying for one second that Lin is going to be trash. All I'm saying is let's look at things with a little perspective here. Lin has some holes in his game he needs to fix before opponents routinely exploit them. He's a young kid and has plenty of time to do so. For now, I think everyone needs to understand this and chill out. Comparing Lin to any great player is ridiculous at this point.
 

HendrixFan

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And you're using Tebow like arguments saying that the opponents are garbage. Did you see the Knicks team last year since they got Melo? Have you seen them this year when they were healthy and added Chandler? They were a shit team. Go see the teams they've lost to, I'm sure plenty were on the same level as these teams they are beating now without Amare and Melo...

Which is why I stated in this thread and the NBA 2012 thread that I think the Knicks are ECF bound. They needed good PG play. I was assuming that Baron Davis would be that, or they would make some kind of roster move if he never got healthy. With Lin in tow, that doesn't seem to be an issue. The Knicks roster was always just a good PG away from being an elite team. You put STAT, Melo and Chandler in there and you have a tough frontline. You also have no way to get them the ball in their spots (especially important for STAT and Chandler).

The rest of the guys on the squad are all role players, the kind of guys who look so much better when someone is getting them the ball. Would they be on this 5-0 run without Lin? Of course not. Do I think the Knicks are ECF bound? Yes. Does that make him a future HOFer or even an All Star? No.

Give him some time to grow and give him a chance to show his stuff against some stiff competition. Give him some time to show that he can keep his pace. Remember everyone else has been playing a condensed schedule for 25 games while he came in fresh. He wasn't hurt and unable to stay in good basketball shape either.

He has something, that is clear. Any player in the NBA can get hot. What separates the good from the bad, and certainly the good from the great is consistency. The difference between a bench player and a starter is consistency. The difference between some guy pulling a 20-10 and averaging 20-10 for ten years is a starting job versus the HOF. Consistency requires time, give it time.
 

slayer202

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Anyone remember when Mike James put up 20 and 6 for an entire season? He began drawing comparisons to players like Tim Hardaway, etc. Just a couple years later, James was considered trash as teams began to better understand how to defend him.

Not saying for one second that Lin is going to be trash. All I'm saying is let's look at things with a little perspective here. Lin has some holes in his game he needs to fix before opponents routinely exploit them. He's a young kid and has plenty of time to do so. For now, I think everyone needs to understand this and chill out. Comparing Lin to any great player is ridiculous at this point.

Comparing Lin to Mike James is worse than Lin to Nash. Also, no one is comparing Lin's career to Nash's. People are talking about his style of play RIGHT NOW which means the comparison is obvious. You guys are debating a self-created boogie man
 

HendrixFan

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i never made that claim, but you made the claim it was absurd to even compare him to nash. feel free to go back and correct your mistake if you didn't mean to state "compare", which nba personnel, including magic, have already done.

I stated multiple times to compare PG play to PG play is one thing, but the comparison by sureshot was that Lin had surpassed Nash.
 

ponyo

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Nash had eyes on back of his head and could make crazy angle passes. Nash could also flat out shoot.

Lin has a decent game but he doesn't have the same court vision and passing ability. He has a decent shot but his threes look suspect.

I suspect Lin will be solid NBA player but he's no Steve Nash.
 

HendrixFan

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Somebody else said he was the asian Steve Nash, and then I replied saying he was already more athletic and a better defender, but wasn't on Nash's level offensively yet. I don't see how that's reaching. It's 100% true.

He's already playing much better than Nash was in his Sophomore season so he could quite possibly surpass him eventually.

He is taller than Nash but not more athletic. I don't think any of us have seen enough of Lin to make a judgement that he is anything other than an average defender.
 
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