so there's an asian guy in the NBA that's not 8 ft tall?

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Miramonti

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He played for the Knicks two years ago in a D'Antoni system that makes point guards look good. He's now older, that coach is gone, and he's packed on 30 pounds of "not muscle." Maybe you're blinded by nostalgia; did you watch a single Blazers game last year? It wasn't good.

It always amazes me when players eat their way out of lucrative professional sports contracts.
 

mshan

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Lin, by himself, can not lift a mediocre or decent team to greatness.

Give him a good coach, with good offensive and defensive schemes, and a well matched set of reasonable talent around him, and he can be the special sauce that takes what should be a just good / pretty good team and make them great. Not saying championship without a few superstars to support him, but I bet this Lin led Houston team surprises and exceeds to the upside (http://www.sfgate.com/preps/article/BOYS-PLAYER-OF-THE-YEAR-Jeremy-Lin-A-knack-for-2538272.php)

"His basic numbers are respectable, but when you look closer at the advanced metrics, a the few interesting facts reveal themselves -- and may account for why he did fall under almost everyone's radar.

While Jeremy's True Shooting Percentage (TS% -- a measure of shooting efficiency that accounts for 2s, 3s and FTs) and Effective Field Goal Percentage (eFG% -- a measures of shooting efficiency that accounts for 2s and 3s) are solid, they place him right in the middle of the NBA D-League. A middling guard in a minor league.

Furthermore, his Assist Percentage (AST% -- the percent of his team's baskets he assisted while on the floor) ranks him 25th. So now you're probably thinking -- as many did -- what's so great about this guy? Isn't he just average?

Think again. Of the metrics listed above, three stand out above all others. First, Jeremy Lin's defensive rating (DefRtg) of 93.2 and net rating (NetRtg) of 13.7 were the best in the entire NBA D-League. That means that while Lin was on the floor, his team gave up the fewest points per 100 possessions and outscored their opponents by the largest margin per 100 possessions.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/the_hidden_side_jeremy_lin_2012_02_15.html
Yes, that was d-League, but I also remember reading stat about number of extra points Knicks put up when he was on floor, and the decreased number of points team gave up when he was on the floor as standing out too.
 
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AgentUnknown

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It's ok for a black guy to be overpaid but not an Asian guy? I don't get how people are up in arms about his contract.
 

QueBert

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It's ok for a black guy to be overpaid but not an Asian guy? I don't get how people are up in arms about his contract.

It's not him being overpaid, it's him being overpaid without having proven shit. You can argue all day Melo didn't deserve the contract he got. But he was one of the top scorers in the league and a legit all star player. James had been MVP twice, Lin had 6 good games and now he's worth $25 million. His contract makes no sense, who has gotten a huge contract like him after 6 games worth mentioning? Him making almost Rajon Rondo money's fucking insane. I've been watching basketball since I was little and I can't remember once where another dude went from "who the hell's that?" unknown to a huge contract with only a few weeks of actual balling in between. It has to do with him being Asian, because if he wasn't there would be no hype and no big ass contract.
 
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Anonemous

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pelov

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I'm sure that's accurate *rolls eyes*

Weird because when Lin posted on his FB about going to the Rockets there were about 100 replies in a row from non black people shitting all over him.

I think it's racism if you don't acknowledge that it's racism even though it isn't racism. Yet in an ironic twist, the one's claiming it was due to racism are likely to be the only racists (with the other obvious racists who were racist all along and had nothing to do with the decision).

Racism.
 

QueBert

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I think it's racism if you don't acknowledge that it's racism even though it isn't racism. Yet in an ironic twist, the one's claiming it was due to racism are likely to be the only racists (with the other obvious racists who were racist all along and had nothing to do with the decision).

Racism.

Lin should thank his lucky stars he's Asian, if he was black he would be playing for slightly above league minimum. It took Rondo years to get where Lin got after 6 games. Lin knows this and he's fine with it. Good for him for getting the kind of bucks he did I'm not mad at him at all.
 

QueBert

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and that ESPN poll's worthless without more data, maybe they hate him because they're from NY and wanted him to stay on the Knicks. Which is a totally reasonable reason imho. The poll has nothing to do with hating him because he's asian.
 

Miramonti

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Lin should thank his lucky stars he's Asian, if he was black he would be playing for slightly above league minimum. It took Rondo years to get where Lin got after 6 games. Lin knows this and he's fine with it. Good for him for getting the kind of bucks he did I'm not mad at him at all.

Rondo has the charisma of a wet cardboard box, with the shot to match.
 

Sephire

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Knicks to Rockets move saves Jeremy Lin $3 million in taxes

Lin, the 23-year-old point guard who helped the Knicks to wins in his first six starts, has signed a three-year, $25.1 million contract with the Rockets. In New York he would have paid a state income tax of 8.82 percent and a city tax of $3.876 percent. Neither Texas nor Houston have income taxes. As a result, Lin will save $1,040,416.04 a year, said ATR.

Source
 

pelov

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Rondo has the charisma of a wet cardboard box, with the shot to match.

That's true, but IMO he's also the best PG in the league next to Derek Rose. The Celtics were just a single jumpshot from making it to the finals and had Ray Allen not sucked it up, they'd have made it.
 

mshan

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This Lin was greedy argument seems absurd.

He said he could have made three figures (I assume this means over $100 million) if he accepted the endorsement offers from Asia he was getting, but he wanted to concentrate on basketball.

Look at the endorsement numbers of Tiger Woods, Lebron James, and others: http://www.forbes.com/athletes/#p_1_s_d4_
 

Miramonti

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Knicks to Rockets move saves Jeremy Lin $3 million in taxes

Lin, the 23-year-old point guard who helped the Knicks to wins in his first six starts, has signed a three-year, $25.1 million contract with the Rockets. In New York he would have paid a state income tax of 8.82 percent and a city tax of $3.876 percent. Neither Texas nor Houston have income taxes. As a result, Lin will save $1,040,416.04 a year, said ATR.

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Not bad. Houston bumps up the offer sheet and as a result nets Lin an additional $8m.

This Lin was greedy argument seems absurd.

He said he could have made three figures (I assume this means over $100 million) if he accepted the endorsement offers from Asia he was getting, but he wanted to concentrate on basketball.

Look at the endorsement numbers of Tiger Woods, Lebron James, and others: http://www.forbes.com/athletes/#p_1_s_d4_

Now that he's got a longer term contract and a place in the nba to call home for the next 3 years, I would completely expect him to start taking advantage of many marketing opportunities available to him.
 

maziwanka

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who the fuck cares about him being overpaid. he's got a limited lifespan in the nba and now he just got paid. good for him
 

Miramonti

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who the fuck cares about him being overpaid. he's got a limited lifespan in the nba and now he just got paid. good for him

He's really not even all that overpaid over the course of the 3 year contract either. $8m/yr is definitely the high side, but no one would have a problem with $6m/yr imo, and few would be surprised at an average of $7m. These numbers were talked about long ago in this thread when he was doing well.
 
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He's really not even all that overpaid over the course of the 3 year contract either. $8m/yr is definitely the high side, but no one would have a problem with $6m/yr imo, and few would be surprised at an average of $7m. These numbers were talked about long ago in this thread when he was doing well.

Yeah 6 is probably fair value just for on the court performance. You add in all the extra $ for the revenue he's bringing in and 8 is totally fair.
 

Miramonti

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Yeah 6 is probably fair value just for on the court performance. You add in all the extra $ for the revenue he's bringing in and 8 is totally fair.

Very true. Especially so for Houston who is a rebuilding team. They now have someone to help increase season ticket subscribers and overall attendance. Television viewership will be probably be outstanding and it will also going to get them slotted on national television...including but not limited to when they play the Knicks. Looking forward to that one.
 

RPD

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How is ANYONE mad at Lin for this?

It's pretty simple. The Knicks did NOTHING to keep him.

Lin had zero choice.
 

sunzt

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Lin should thank his lucky stars he's Asian, if he was black he would be playing for slightly above league minimum. It took Rondo years to get where Lin got after 6 games. Lin knows this and he's fine with it. Good for him for getting the kind of bucks he did I'm not mad at him at all.

Conversely, he was held back and not given the same chances partly because of being Asian and Ivy League.
 
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