so there's an asian guy in the NBA that's not 8 ft tall?

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Vdubchaos

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It's not him being overpaid, it's him being overpaid without having proven shit. You can argue all day Melo didn't deserve the contract he got. But he was one of the top scorers in the league and a legit all star player. James had been MVP twice, Lin had 6 good games and now he's worth $25 million. His contract makes no sense, who has gotten a huge contract like him after 6 games worth mentioning? Him making almost Rajon Rondo money's fucking insane. I've been watching basketball since I was little and I can't remember once where another dude went from "who the hell's that?" unknown to a huge contract with only a few weeks of actual balling in between. It has to do with him being Asian, because if he wasn't there would be no hype and no big ass contract.

Life is not fair, get used to it.

More power to Lin if he can get a contract like that.

#s don't mean anything. Melo can be a top scorer, at the end of the day he still plays no D and is not a team player. Lin's accomplishments during those 6 games towards THE TEAM is more than anything Anthony has done "team wise" for the knicks entire season.

Camry is the best selling car, is it the best car? No, far from it.

Personally I wouldn't even want Melo on my team even if he was free.....but that's just me. He is like cancer.
 
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al981

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It's not him being overpaid, it's him being overpaid without having proven shit. You can argue all day Melo didn't deserve the contract he got. But he was one of the top scorers in the league and a legit all star player. James had been MVP twice, Lin had 6 good games and now he's worth $25 million. His contract makes no sense, who has gotten a huge contract like him after 6 games worth mentioning? Him making almost Rajon Rondo money's fucking insane. I've been watching basketball since I was little and I can't remember once where another dude went from "who the hell's that?" unknown to a huge contract with only a few weeks of actual balling in between. It has to do with him being Asian, because if he wasn't there would be no hype and no big ass contract.

plenty of draft picks make bank without having proven shit in college. won't see you calling them out, though! lin is the equivalent of a #1 draft pick, and he's beaten up several other #1's in recent months. glad he got paid.

everyone knows rando is underpaid. is that lin's fault he chose to screw himself and sign for less than he's worth? is it lin's fault he destroyed george hill, and now both players are making 8 mill a year? don't see you calling out hill. wonder why eh?

btw, nice job ducking the fact lin was not medically cleared to play. pussy.
and take your shit analytical / basketball scouting skills elsewhere.
 
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holden j caufield

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are people dense. Most contracts for a young player is based on potential, marketability, etc. and Lin has loads of that. Obviously now it doesn't seem like he's worth 15 million a year but he's definitely shown the potential for being a 5 Mil+ a year player. And with some improvement and experience that 15 mil in a few years might be on court justified. It's worth way more than that off the court for the Rockets. They'll make back their 25 million in the first 6 months with marketing etc. Easy business decision.
 

geecee

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are people dense. Most contracts for a young player is based on potential, marketability, etc. and Lin has loads of that. Obviously now it doesn't seem like he's worth 15 million a year but he's definitely shown the potential for being a 5 Mil+ a year player. And with some improvement and experience that 15 mil in a few years might be on court justified. It's worth way more than that off the court for the Rockets. They'll make back their 25 million in the first 6 months with marketing etc. Easy business decision.
Agreed.

As a casual Knicks fan (was a much bigger Knicks fan in the 90's, and lost interest during the Isiaiah era), I enjoyed watching the Knicks play this last half a season. I felt like ball movement, defense, unselfishness and effort all improved while Lin was playing. Without any real tangible statistical analysis to back it up, it just felt like they were a lot more fun to watch. Fields, Chandler, Novak and most of the other Knicks were different players with Lin on the court. I realize they played a stretch of games against a lot of bad teams (in particular, Lin's 6 game win stretch, other than the Lakers), but it didn't matter to me, as they could just as easily have sleepwalked through those as well, which they looked like they were prone to do earlier in the season. After Amare returned, the hustle still seemed to be there, although he initially had a little trouble meshing. After Carmelo got back, it seemed to disappear, aside from an occasional short stretch here or there. It was back to a lot of iso and players holding the ball too long, like earlier in the season. Again, I stress that I only watched a handful of Knicks games here and there.

Do I have any illusions about Lin being a superstar - no. His most likely upside would probably be a good solid player - he's smart and he works hard. Do I care that he will make $8 million a year? No, not really, when you consider that his old teammate Landry Fields will make $6 million a year in Toronto, and that Steve Novak is going to make nearly $4 million a year with the Knicks, and Lin's replacement Ray Felton has been and will be pulling down $7-8 million a year. Is the fact that he's going to be overpaid really relevant here? I would rather watch Lin leading the Knicks at $8 mil a year, than Felton at about the same, and I would rather watch the Knicks lose and have fun, than have them lose the way they've been losing with Carmelo. At least then, I, the viewer, will feel like I got something out of it rather than just like I wasted 2 hours of my life. Besides, the Knicks would have made up Lin's salary just in Knicks paraphernalia that would have flown off the shelves worldwide.

Personally, I think the Knicks will regress this year, unless Jason Kidd finds a way to channel the Kidd of 5-10 years ago (he's not off to a good start in NY so far with the DWI). Both he and Camby (another Knicks acquisition) are players in decline, who probably cannot shoulder loads of more than 20-25 mins a game. Additionally, the loss of of an all-around "fill the stat sheet" hustle player like Fields will hurt them more than they think, and they've gone from one of the youngest and "smartest" backcourts in basketball in Lin/Fields (Harvard, Stanford, lol) to one of the oldest/heaviest PG tandems in Kidd/Felton (you can guess which is which). Re-signing players like J.R. Smith, and letting players like Fields and Lin go are also a step in the wrong direction as well. Between Carmelo, Amare, and Smith, will anyone else even get off a shot? And between those three players, will there be any defense played? I like Shumpert, and hope that he ends up with the starting SG job. But unless Woodson is a miracle worker, I don't see the Knicks being all that competitive this year (maybe a .500 team at best, 1st round exit if they even make the playoffs).
 

Miramonti

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Rockets' Owner Leslie Alexander Expects Lin To Help Attract Free Agents

Rockets' owner Leslie Alexander expects Jeremy Lin to aid in Houston’s effort to land a top free agent.

“I love it,” Alexander said of the Lin signing. “I think it’s great for the city of Houston. It’s great for the fans. I think a team needs to have that attention to attract free agents and do what we have to do to win. It helps. It always helps (the business), but the real reason is it helps to attract free agents. They’ll want to play with Jeremy, but also they want to be someplace they will be on TV, they can market themselves, all that stuff.”

Alexander believes Lin will fit nicely into the Rockets’ offense.

“I think he’s going to be a great addition for the team,” Alexander said. “I think he’s going to be a great player in the league – very good to great.

“It was very risky and very hard to do. It worked out in our favor, thank God. We changed the team completely from last year. It’s almost a whole new team. You can see in summer league how good the young guys are. I think the future is really, really good.”
 

Sephire

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So there was no offer sheet from the Knicks after all. The haters owe Lin an apology.
 

RPD

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Knicks could not offer what other teams could since they did not have the cap space. They could only match.
Incorrect, they can match whatever they want. They just didn't want to pay lux taxes on top of it. There's a HUGE difference between not being able to do something and just paying more for it.
 

QueBert

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Yeah Smith is a racist when one of his best friends is Skip fucking Bayless, one of the whitest men on TV. He tears apart most of the players in the league, if anything he's just a big ass hater. But I'm sure in many peoples eyes him saying Lin the most overrated player in the league could only be because he's Asian, not because he's you know, overrated or anything. He can be a huge idiot but he's hardly what I'd call racist.
 
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Miramonti

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Incorrect, they can match whatever they want. They just didn't want to pay lux taxes on top of it. There's a HUGE difference between not being able to do something and just paying more for it.

And if I heard correctly, the Houston deal affects Houston differently against the cap than the Knicks. Houston can use an average of the 3 years, $8m, each year against their cap, while NY has to take each year for what it is. Thus the $14m in the 3rd year was the poison pill because it would have been all surpassed their cap and caused a huge luxury tax penalty.

While the Knicks are over the cap every year anyways, they usually get there by signing overpaid and overrated ball players that don't help them win, and as a result were in uncharted territory and quite confused when making a decision about Lin.
 

al981

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Yeah Smith is a racist when one of his best friends is Skip fucking Bayless, one of the whitest men on TV. He tears apart most of the players in the league, if anything he's just a big ass hater. But I'm sure in many peoples eyes him saying Lin the most overrated player in the league could only be because he's Asian, not because he's you know, overrated or anything. He can be a huge idiot but he's hardly what I'd call racist.

why is it you completely ducked my previous post? pussy.

and the proven liar/racist stephen a was fired before for his racist rant against babe ruth. stuff more crow down your throat.
 

sunzt

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I have to say this...

throughout this whole process Lin has never said one thing bad about the Knicks players or the Knicks organization. He always praised the players and the fans and even said he preferred the Knicks after signing the rockets contract.

On the other hand, I have never seen such a systematic campaign at discrediting and character assassination as I have seen the Knicks organization engaged in. It's no coincidence that there were so many stories of reporters quoting "sources close to the Knicks" bad mouthing and discrediting him. There were also public comments from the players to Dolan himself doing the same thing. They didn't do this to a rival player, they did it to their own teammate! Also, what kind of players criticizes another player's CONTRACT?

At the end of it, it makes the Knicks organization and select players look crass, classless, unprofessional, and childish.
 

MontyAC

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The Knicks organization with Dolan is a hell hole. They will never win with Dolan at the helm. Lin is better off playing in Houston and grow with the young players on the roster. He'll make a boat load of money through his endorsements in Asia. His teammates will also make money, just like when Yao Ming was with Houston.
 

StrangerGuy

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If he was white or black he won't even be like 1/10 the big deal he is now. For the record I'm the same race as him.
 
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If he was white or black he won't even be like 1/10 the big deal he is now. For the record I'm the same race as him.

Oh please, it's a combination of factors, including race which helps him standout, but also playing in New York, a basketball city with the most marketing potential in the world. Combine that with the fact that he played extraordinarily well (really, even if you don't think he can sustain it, the games that he did play in were really incredible).

If he played for Minnesota and he put up stats but didn't win games, I guarantee that it'd just be a really good well publicized story instead of the media rampage it was/is. But if you want to object, then provide a counter-example of a similar situation for a white or black player.

Plus, the fact that the NBA is all about upside and youth, and you'd see why a team would sign Lin to a nice offer. This is a league that went crazy over signing high school busts to the point where the NBA had to introduce the 1 year college rule to protect their own teams.
 

pelov

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If he played for Minnesota and he put up stats but didn't win games, I guarantee that it'd just be a really good well publicized story instead of the media rampage it was/is. But if you want to object, then provide a counter-example of a similar situation for a white or black player.

Kevin Love.

White dude playing in Minnesota and had an MVP type of season and is now on the Olympic team yet nobody seems to talk about him.
 
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