So, What do you all think about Bush's plan to drill oil in Alaska?

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Azraele

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Oh eek sorry about the triple post. I kept getting errors and didn't realize it got through
 

BeeVo

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Wow you people are such tree hugging hippees. Man all you use gas. I bet you drive to the store wich is probably a block away instead of walking. When all you stop using electricity, stop driving cars, and wipe your butt with leaves then come here whining. YOU ALL contribute to the problem.
 

C1ue1ess

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Oiling for Alaska is not preferable. It will probably have to be done sooner or later, seeing how large the demand for oil now. However, I would like to see Bush for more alternative sources of energy. I would also like him to push for my environmentally safe cars. Personally, I don't think electric cars are that great, since the electricity generated are still from coal power plants. Perhaps gas-efficient hybrids would be better.
 

Mister T

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haha... you guys make me laugh.

I am going to be laughing my Republican @ss off when gas is 5 bucks a gallon and all you tree huggers are spending triple on gas. I am not going to care because my rich @ss will be driving around in my Excursion Strech Limo with all the honies on standby.
 

JellyBaby

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Mister T,

Inciting flames? Bonus points: 0.

Somehow I think it's more credible to believe you'll end up as a passenger in an '86 Yugo driven by your mother.
 

Mister T

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JellyBaby,

Ok I'll be serious now. I think alot of people that have posted are not thinking this through from an economic standpoint.
Given what is happening in the middle east, we need to become less and less dependent on foreign oil. Having reserves in Alaska ready to pump out oil in the event of a crisis in a necessary and wise hedge.

Somehow I think it's more credible to believe you'll end up as a passenger in an '86 Yugo driven by your mother.

Highly unlikely. As a graduating senior from the Sloan School of Business at MIT- majoring in Finance - I highly doubt I will ever be in that situation.
 

XMan

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<< Do know how many people die in coal mines or how much enviromental damage is caused by digging coal mines ? >>



I won't disagree with you about people dying in coal mines, but have you seen the aftereffects of coal mining? Western Colorado is very rich in coal, and you should see some of the before and after pictures of coal mining. Coal is generally not located in the middle of old growth forest, it's under tons and tons of ugly-looking rock. The coal companies take a great deal of pride in returning the land to a better state than it was when they started. This includes planting grass, trees, shrubs, etc, as well as bringing in populations of elk, mule deer, antelope, and the like. Some of the most beautiful and natural hunting ground I've seen in W. Colorado is the result of coal company landscaping.

As far as drilling in the Alaskan Wildlife Refuge, has anybody actually seen pictures of the place? It's not quite what I'd call picturesque - frozen tundra is more like it. The whole area is the size of a small state, and the drilling portion will be taking place in an area smaller than a city. Not a big deal IMO.
 

charrison

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I heard a report on tv the other day that the last drilling setting up in Alaska was on 10,000 or 100,000 acres of land. The drilling compnay only needed to use 100 acres of the land to drill. This is hardly destroying the environment.
 

JellyBaby

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<< Ok I'll be serious now >>

Mister T,

Alright then so will I. Bonus points: 1.

Xerox Man,

Yes it seems like a different argument when you say, &quot;let's drill for oil in frozen tundra&quot; as opposed to &quot;let's drill for oil in the pristine alaskan wildlife refuge&quot;. CNN, I've noticed, only shows the 1% of land that actually looks good on camera.

 

jacobnero6918

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Nobody has said what's so great about Alaska ?

I'm mean if they were drilling in LA or chicago or NY I would see the problem. There is nobody living in Alaska except some polar bears who will do just fine whether the drilling occurs or not.

I find it odd that people care more about some land where nobody lives and yet the cities are allowed to be toxic havens.
 

WMC

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Sorry if anyone already saw this elsewhere.

The oil wells have already been drilled on Gull Island, Prudhoe Bay, Alaska.

Bush is no doubt a globalist elite whom will follow the agenda of the people who are in control of the money although I like a few of the things he has done so far, eg: the tax cut, removing the American Bar Association from the judicial review process, etc.


At the same time I am also quite disturbed at the dark history of the Bush family
&quot;On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.&quot;


The Bush family has a LONG history of war-mongering, treasonous actions and I wonder how long before Baby.Bush gets us into a conflict that will be VERY prosperous for the interests of his global-banker friends.
Gore would have been no different in helping the country long term. He has deep ties to the same globalist elite crowd as well. His father was a very good friend and business associate of socialist Armand Hammer.


A couple of things Baby.Bush could do to REALLY redeem America as a nation would be to answer the question as to why we are building nuclear energy plants in communist North Korea, &quot;In return for the suspension, a consortium led by the United States, Japan and South Korea is building two light-water reactors in North Korea worth $4.6 billion&quot;, whilst the people of California plunge into darkness. The rest of the country will follow suit in the near future with New York being next for energy manipulation

AND

Why our government will not allow us to tap the oil reserves in Gull Island, Prudhoe Bay, Alaska which would sustain the united States for 200 years and free us from importation of ANY oil from foreign sources and free us from the manipulation that is so quite effectively taking place. **THE OIL WELLS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DRILLED BUT THE GUBMENT ORDERED THEM CAPPED AND THEY HAVE PRODUCED NO OIL TO DATE.**


Until several things like the above transpire it does not matter whom is in the big white house in the district of criminals, things will continue business as usual as the America people are driven into poverty and all our manufacturing jobs are moved to communist China and our children are left with a 3rd world society and economy to live in.


Another possible scenario?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled chaos...
 

jeffrey

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I don't like it. Although I have never been to Alaska, the only thing that I picture it as is an undisturbed wilderness. The last place that development and civilization have not overrun in the US.
 

Capn

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&quot;The last place that development and civilization have not overrun in the US.&quot;

C'mon dude, you ever been outside the city? There's a lot of nothing out there for us to screw over yet, don't worry.
 

Ranger X

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I don't like the idea of drilling oil in Alaska. As for our oil supply, yes, it will run out sometime in our lifetime (GenX). The way we're consuming our natural resources, I'm glad I won't be alive when the world ends.
 

compuwiz1

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Sure, lets blow off the tree huggers and go for some progress.

The way we are going, we'll be better off in 200 years, if this place is not here, so let's have a good time now.

BTW, I don't recycle, and I don't give a damn what happens after I die. :Q
 

datalink7

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wow... this thread ressurects

I think it is a bad Idea. ALready, %95 of the north slope is open to drilling. We should leave the last %5 alone as a natural wildlife preserve. The Oil companies are playing on our fears. We should look into ways of conserving our oil instead of just delaying a worsening oil crunch. Oil, being a finite resource, will eventually run out. We need to stop relying on it so much.
 

djchemistry

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LOL. Alaska? I only know two things about that state:
1. The Exxon-Valdez spilled some oil and killed a bunch of wildlife and
2. Steven Segal made a really bad movie there.

I'd say we've been abusing that state for awhile now, why stop? LOL.
Sure I'd love to go up there and fish for some salmon and king crab, but let's be real. The only way some of us are ever gonna even see that place is if our airline flies over it. If we're willing to destroy the hot desert in the middle east for some oil, why aren't we willing to destroy some cold desert up in Alaska? You can't really farm in either place. Ideally we could find a new energy source, but I won't hold my breath for that.
 

Smbu

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<< jacobnero6918:BTW, drilling in Alaska is better than drilling in the 50 states if you ask me. >>


Last I heard Alaska was one of the 50 states. BTW if it isn't then what is the other &quot;state&quot; I've never heard of? Perhaps the state of confusion on your part?
 

RanDum72

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Bush wants to drill oil in Alaska because he's doing a favor to all his friends in the oil industry, heck everything he does is a favor to big business. Lowering emissions standards in power plants, killing the &quot;ergonomics&quot; bill passed by Clinton to protect workers, delaying the strike of aviation workers.
 

Linflas

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With proper environmental safeguards I am all for it. This is a natural resource that we are just sitting on rather than using. No doubt once this is begun those OPEC production cutbacks will be history.
 

Shantanu

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I think it's a fantastic idea. In Alaska, though there is some wildlife, due to the polar climate there's not all that much wildlife (check one of those biosphere maps if you don't believe me). In other words, drilling for oil in Alaska tundra will have nowhere the amount of environmental impact of drilling for oil in say, a Florida swamp, or New York forestland. If the proper precautions are taken, the environmental damage will be minimized. The U.S. needs oil, and this needs to be addressed.

How many people go this damn wildlife park anyways? It's a good 5,000 miles from the nearest urban settlement. Without the human element to recognize and celebrate nature, there is no nature.
 
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