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Engineer

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Controls / Automation Engineer for a small automation company. Electrical Engineer by degree. Design and program machine controls for all types of small machinery and factory cells.

To Felix and brain, I would love to retire by 50 but kids and lack of enough money seem to hinder that choice. Market going sideways doesn't help much either (but I suppose it's much better than the 2007-2010 down years).
 

Red Squirrel

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May 24, 2003
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I would love to retire by like 45 but that won't happen unless I get off my butt and do a side gig of sorts. Costs of living keep going up faster than any saving/retirement interest will ever be able to help for. So I'll need a continuous stream of income when I retire or a huge chunk of cash that will last until I die.

I need to learn mobile development so I can pull off a flappy bird. 1 night of work leading to retirement sounds like a great time.

Actually it's kind of scary to think that I'll be 40 in 10 years, when I consider how fast the last 10 years actually went by...
 

Chaotic42

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Jun 15, 2001
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I'll die at my desk. I'm 34 and have no 401k. I'll die before I get to retirement age, so I don't see any point in saving. If I make it to 68 or whatever the retirement age is, it will truly be a miracle.
 

mike8675309

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Database Administrator with over 15 years of experience developing database based applications primarily around Microsoft's SQL Server in various industries. Experience programming in VB, C#, C++, and various scripting languages. Currently performing administrative and ETL coding at a under 100 employee company in the Digital Marketing field. Working with "big data" daily as we develop a hybrid cloud and premises data processing system for large clients in retail, health care, and education focusing on measurement and attribution. My employer is doing things that no one in this space is and I wouldn't be surprised to see them acquired in the next few years by a larger company.

At 48 I am currently working my career into a way of becoming an expert in my field such that I can still find a job that will pay decent wages when I'm 55. I left a job last year that I could have sat on for perhaps another 10 years but I hated it. With no savings to speak of I'll likely be working in one way or another until I'm well into my 70's if not longer. The goal is to make sure I love what I do. I do right now and I need to work my career to be able to keep doing that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMnJLWeo1z8
 

Exterous

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That sounds awful. Our internal network was out Monday and I had to do that pretty much all day because I literally couldn't get any work done, and I was bored to shit after about 2 hours.

It is awful - at least it was for me. I left a cushy, incredibly stable job because I only had about 1-2 hours of actual work to do per day. Some days I had nothing at all to do. The boredom made an 8 hour day seem like 20
 

nerp

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I have 401ks and good savings, but I just snagged a job with a pension. So I'm not retiring for another 20 years minimum. Will be nice to have steady income plus previous retirement accounts plus savings. Party time for nerp and his wife beginning 2036. Get ready to partaaay!
 

brianmanahan

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I have 401ks and good savings, but I just snagged a job with a pension. So I'm not retiring for another 20 years minimum. Will be nice to have steady income plus previous retirement accounts plus savings. Party time for nerp and his wife beginning 2036. Get ready to partaaay!

yep, pensions are great. i'm planning to get about 25$k a year from mine
 

nerp

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Actually this is exactly why pensions suck donkey balls...makes you feel like you need to work a minimum amount of time for a specific company. No thanks.

Conversely, it's a means to eliminate the desire to constantly seek a better offer, allowing you to invest yourself with an organization more fully. It's also the norm for many city, state and municipal jobs. Plus, it's nice having a promised income after retirement without being subject to market forces and hedge fund managers.

A smart person doesn't rely on one thing, though. In addition to my pension, I have a bit of money piled up in two different 401ks, long term savings, dividend based equites and more. My plan is to convert my 401ks into something I can contribute to in addition to my pension so I have both fixed and guaranteed income plus investments I controlled. My goal is to allow me to fully enjoy my retirement with my wife while still enjoying the same quality of life and having freedom to sock away money for my kids instead of every dollar being focused on my own personal retirement.

And it's no secret that the pension contributions from the government I work for are far more generous than anything offered in the private sector. A 401k match feels like an insult compared to this.
 

Red Squirrel

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yep, pensions are great. i'm planning to get about 25$k a year from mine

That's after taxes I hope. Then again by the time I retire I don't think the concept of a pension will even exist. Companies are getting cheaper and cheaper and always looking at places to cut. Eventually that will be on the chopping block too.

I think the way the future will go is that we'll just have to keep working till we die. Retirement will involve just switching to a "retirement job". Costs of living keep going up too so any savings is negligible as even a higher interest rate on investments is not enough to keep up with costs of living. In the close to 10 years I've been living on my own most costs have nearly doubled. Taxes, hydro, etc.
 

zinfamous

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Conversely, it's a means to eliminate the desire to constantly seek a better offer, allowing you to invest yourself with an organization more fully. It's also the norm for many city, state and municipal jobs. Plus, it's nice having a promised* income after retirement without being subject to market forces and hedge fund managers.

A smart person doesn't rely on one thing, though. In addition to my pension, I have a bit of money piled up in two different 401ks, long term savings, dividend based equites and more. My plan is to convert my 401ks into something I can contribute to in addition to my pension so I have both fixed and guaranteed income plus investments I controlled. My goal is to allow me to fully enjoy my retirement with my wife while still enjoying the same quality of life and having freedom to sock away money for my kids instead of every dollar being focused on my own personal retirement.

And it's no secret that the pension contributions from the government I work for are far more generous than anything offered in the private sector. A 401k match feels like an insult compared to this.

*not to be confused with "guaranteed, actually will happen, the value we tell you now absolutely will exist 20 years from now! we totally swear it because we absolutely can achieve 20% year-on-year growth for 30 straight years!

....to be taken with a grain of salt. I think the converse is true about a pension removing the desire to constantly move which, I agree, should be a good thing. I think of it more as a dishonest trap, because the type of growth promised in pension plans is just absurd in the reality of today's world.

EDIT: Oh, cushy gov't pension. Yeah, you'll be fine.

But like you said--relying on one plan is absurd. I do have a teeny tiny pension from a previous job (7 years vested, lol: that supposedly nets me ~$600/month when I turn 70, or $80k ), but that doesn't even exist in my planning.
 

child of wonder

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Pensions are a Ponzi scheme as they rely on high levels of investment growth and an ever increasing influx of new workers.

100 years ago when the typical family had 4 children and life expectancy was mid 60s, it was at least possible to sustain that model. Not so much today.
 

PricklyPete

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Conversely, it's a means to eliminate the desire to constantly seek a better offer, allowing you to invest yourself with an organization more fully. It's also the norm for many city, state and municipal jobs. Plus, it's nice having a promised income after retirement without being subject to market forces and hedge fund managers.

A smart person doesn't rely on one thing, though. In addition to my pension, I have a bit of money piled up in two different 401ks, long term savings, dividend based equites and more. My plan is to convert my 401ks into something I can contribute to in addition to my pension so I have both fixed and guaranteed income plus investments I controlled. My goal is to allow me to fully enjoy my retirement with my wife while still enjoying the same quality of life and having freedom to sock away money for my kids instead of every dollar being focused on my own personal retirement.

And it's no secret that the pension contributions from the government I work for are far more generous than anything offered in the private sector. A 401k match feels like an insult compared to this.

To each their own. I'd take a higher salary/bonus target (and the associated "freedom" in my career) than "guaranteed" pension any day of the week (and have done so).
 

DT4K

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MOM Solutions Architect
I still think it's funny that my job title has MOM in it. But apparently MOM (Manufacturing Operations Management) is supposed to describe our shift from MES (Manufacturing Execution Systems) to a wider range of manufacturing related services.

I worked for a relatively small MES software company specializing in medical device and semiconductor customers that was acquired by a company of 350k employees with it's hands in virtually every industry there is.
I travel a lot, spending most of my time working onsite with customers on projects to customize and implement our software systems.
I was spoiled my first couple of years, with multiple trips to Italy, Ireland, and Malaysia.
The last 18 months has been spent making almost weekly trips from CLT to PHL.
 

SeaSerpent

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Sep 24, 2001
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Supervisor at one of the worlds largest can manufacturing companies. Formally a supervisor at a lumber manufacturing company that went under.
 

dead_smiley

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I'll die at my desk. I'm 34 and have no 401k. I'll die before I get to retirement age, so I don't see any point in saving. If I make it to 68 or whatever the retirement age is, it will truly be a miracle.
This sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy. It does not have to be this way. You can make a change!

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