Stop appealing to ignorance. If you don't understand the meaning of words don't opine.
So when nobody who received the briefing from the DoJ & the FBI claims that a "spy" actually existed it's OK to believe Trump's assertion that it happened. If it's all just belief we don't have to tether ourselves to reality at all. We can just believe what we want to believe.
So when observable reality clashes with belief just disregard reality. Because freedom, obviously.
You mentioned beliefs and morality is a system of beliefs. Any substitute would be equivalent. All knowledge is ultimately belief, basic epistemology.
You forgot spying through microwave ovens. We can't ever forget that one...nor let them forget it either!!!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/13/kellyanne-conway-trump-wiretap-surveillance-obama
So all you Trump people, what happened to the spy??
The POTUS has the ability to declassify anything he wants.
So why hasn't trump declassified the spy yet?
It's not like the GOP hasn't put party before country before. Cough cough Valerie plame
It's like you enjoy dumping pot roast on your head. So you are a fan of Ayn Rand, not suprising.
You can use this path to render all things a matter of belief. That provides us with no agency whatsoever. So I suggest using an advanced approximation of reality to come up with answers that, although still objectively meaningless, do help us act when our approximation of reality holds commonality with others.
The way I see it is that our subjective beliefs become superior when there exists that emotional need, the real fear that one is inferior. Having secrets, special knowledge, divine knowledge, moral truths are ways of feeding self importance and since a feeling of importance is what is sought, we tint our lenses to see opinions that way. So the important point I think isn't really so much that we wouldn't believe what we believe if we didn't believe it superior, but we wouldn't need to believe any of it. So however it is that we bridge the gap the first line of duty is to fix oneself. If one could get to the point that it's perfectly OK not to know anything one could look at facts as they are and not as proof or support of this that or the other ego trait. We need more humility but that is antithetical to the ego. But we can at least try to look at the fact that what we want to believe and what we believe are pretty much the same thing. Our ego leads us around by the nose.
I believe it is the natural beauty of our real being, the sense of the goodness of life, the joy of being we once had that we have wrongly identified as coming from conformity to local norms of behavior that we fear will be lost if these mistaken substitutes for real empathy are taken away..
So desperate to divert from the topic at hand. So clumsy with innuendo.
Trump claims the FBI put a spy in his campaign, demands that the DoJ investigate & brief Congress about their informant. After that happens nobody briefed backs him up. Schiff points out that there's no evidence to support Trump. Cornyn says Schiff released classified information, inadvertently confirming Schiff's statement.
Once again we're confronted with the fact that we do not have a credible President. I don't think you can muddy the epistemological waters enough to get away from that.
If your point is that I can't possibly think 2 years of know yourself psych 101 won't save the nation, I could probably be persuaded to agree. And even though the thought of that had never occurred to me before now, I would still rather test it before we do agree.Down the rabbit hole we go .
What I wrote was a pretty easily interpreted, and intended, tautology though you single out one word "superiority" in that sentence and build a response on that. You surely must realize this is your self you are having an argument with, not me, right?
(Peel away enough layers and it always ends with emotion, how can it be anything else, are we not made of flesh?)
You are not the only one capable of introspection moonie, I too have spend a lot of time thinking inwards and outwards. Here is the thing, introspection is not for everyone, and the assumption that it is, is to me a little arrogant. you cant possibly think that given, say 2 years, you will have an entire nation signing up for "know yourself psych 101" classes and it will be peace from hereon?
While sympathetically and theoretically I applaud your stance I don't find it very relevant to the real world, the world of today. You are not going to bridge the gap by fixing one person, that person being your self. You have got a whole nation to heal and you are on the clock.
What do you mean by side effect/conditioning in this specific case? Can you describe what you picture by that?Totally sidetracking here hope thats ok. I've seen this before and it opposes my own philosophy and understanding of life thus tickles my curiosity. As an organism engineered in a natural selection field for 3.500.000.000 years, what competitive conditions have led up to "beauty of our real being"? - If anything wouldnt that be a side effect/conditioning rather than actual purpose?
side effect = capacity to reason for purposes of survival put towards other goals.What do you mean by side effect/conditioning in this specific case? Can you describe what you picture by that?
This doesn't tell me what you see regarding human evolution. I said that empathy is at the core of our being and you said it is might be a side effect a conditioning. You mentioned competition and 3.5 billion years. I am interested to know what evolutionary theory you see as applying. How do you see empathy evolving or not evolving but some side effect? What does your theory look like? If I am to answer your question I have to understand what your question is based on. I need to understand what you are proposing as an alternate theory, not what it creates as hypotheticals but what it actually is. How do you explain empathy? What argument am I up against? Do you have an alternate theory or are you just making something up out of thin air and have no idea of what you are actually trying to say?side effect = capacity to reason for purposes of survival put towards other goals.
conditioning = what society molds us into and vice versa.
This doesn't tell me what you see regarding human evolution. I said that empathy is at the core of our being and you said it is might be a side effect a conditioning. You mentioned competition and 3.5 billion years. I am interested to know what evolutionary theory you see as applying. How do you see empathy evolving or not evolving but some side effect? What does your theory look like? If I am to answer your question I have to understand what your question is based on. I need to understand what you are proposing as an alternate theory, not what it creates as hypotheticals but what it actually is. How do you explain empathy? What argument am I up against? Do you have an alternate theory or are you just making something up out of thin air and have no idea of what you are actually trying to say?
.. I may very well be reading it wrong but it comes off somewhat religious/spiritual in nature, you are bringing beatuy and goodness, a concept of art into the fray.. and it puzzles me cause the debate and arguments uptil this point fits well into my own framework/perception of our reality, past and present.I believe it is the natural beauty of our real being, the sense of the goodness of life, the joy of being...
Sure. I view empathy as an evolutionary aspect that enables us to work together in groups(together we stand, divided we fall), groups give us a competitive advantage vs. individuals and groups of lesser size. Over time we have combined empathy with morals and ethics to manage even bigger groups, so on and so forth.
I have a feeling this is not answering your question though.. This is where I stumble
.. I may very well be reading it wrong but it comes off somewhat religious/spiritual in nature, you are bringing beatuy and goodness, a concept of art into the fray.. and it puzzles me cause the debate and arguments uptil this point fits well into my own framework/perception of our reality, past and present.
Are you zeroing in on what it means to be human, purpose of being human? It would help me better understand these exchanges better.
To me, goodness, beauty, joy is tools, not purpose per se.
I realize this. What I am trying to decipher is your message! Is the sense of goodness of life the goal in itself? Purpose? Pass goal, collect 200$ and be forever content, you won the game of life? If so, is this not where the science stops and religion begins?Why do you stumble if you realize that the adaptive advantage that empathy brings to group survival has to mean that empathic capacity evolved in our genes. Spirituality is just a word that reflects the fact that it feels good to be who you really are and terrible not to be who you are. Virtue IS its own reward even if it is its only reward. To be is a peak state in that nothing feels better than it. He or she who tastes it knows this.
He doesn't exist, but that's classified information.So what happened to the spy??
We know about the informant but where is the spy Trump claimed Obama planted into his campaign for political purposes??
Where is this person?
So what happened to the spy??
We know about the informant but where is the spy Trump claimed Obama planted into his campaign for political purposes??
Where is this person?