So, what happened to the spy??

HomerJS

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Trump forces the Justice Department to reveal classified information to the Republicans and his personal lawyers show up at that meeting. Trump claimed Obama planted a spy in his campaign.

So where is this said spy?

Trump caught lying again.

Why do you Trump supporters keep believing him. Are you questioning your sanity yet?
 

cytg111

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What happened after the meeting?

Crickets.

Crickets is what happened.
Nunes is frantically scrambling for any door that says exit.
Turtleneck comes out vocally in favor of Mueller
Trump is having an even bigger twitter meltdown.
The_Donald is pretending it never happened.
The hangman is buying more rope on amazon.
 
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dank69

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What happened after the meeting?

Crickets.

Crickets is what happened.
Nunes is frantically scrambling for any door that says exit.
Turtleneck comes out vocally in favor of Mueller
Trump is having an even bigger twitter meltdown.
The_Donald is pretending it never happened.
The hangman is buying more rope on amazon.
Don't worry the IG report is due anytime now and that's when the storm gets here.
 

HomerJS

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Si the spy claim goes the way of...

illegal unmasking
Obama wiretapped my phone
Birtherism

Why are his supporters so stupid??
 

Younigue

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Si the spy claim goes the way of...

illegal unmasking
Obama wiretapped my phone
Birtherism

Why are his supporters so stupid??
Because hate feels so good that stupid is their best hope to keep up the momentum...?
 
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Moonbeam

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Si the spy claim goes the way of...

illegal unmasking
Obama wiretapped my phone
Birtherism

Why are his supporters so stupid??
Why do you continue to be so stupid as to call something that isn't stupidity stupidity? Conservatives build ego validation based on association with externalizations they have been conditioned to believe have moral value. What you call stupidity is actually them trying to save themselves, their egos, from the very humiliation that caused them to lose their respect for themselves as children and have to turn to phony externals to pump up their damaged lives. If they hadn't done that, if you hadn't done the same thing in a different way, none of us would have survived. We liberals are as nuts as they are. Be happy your own brand of mental illness isn't a present and real threat to the nation like theirs is at this point in time.
 

Younigue

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LOL Moonie! They are stupid and in this day and age it's intentional. Most people believe they have had a rough life. What they are desperately grasping for has no value or has only loathsome value. Of course they must be called out for their stupidity because of its "present and real threat".

Still as pesky as ever I see.
 

cytg111

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If we didnt believe in the superiority of our own subjective belief systems and reality... we wouldnt believe in it would we... I dont know how to build the gap... but we have to.
 

trenchfoot

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So another nuth'in burger gets gulped down by the insatiable Trump troops and it fills their tummies with the yummies they crave for.

Mission accomplished, Admiral Trump, Commodore Nunes. CPO Gowdy.

Great job of making asses of yourselves......................................again.
 

Moonbeam

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If we didnt believe in the superiority of our own subjective belief systems and reality... we wouldnt believe in it would we... I dont know how to build the gap... but we have to.
The way I see it is that our subjective beliefs become superior when there exists that emotional need, the real fear that one is inferior. Having secrets, special knowledge, divine knowledge, moral truths are ways of feeding self importance and since a feeling of importance is what is sought, we tint our lenses to see opinions that way. So the important point I think isn't really so much that we wouldn't believe what we believe if we didn't believe it superior, but we wouldn't need to believe any of it. So however it is that we bridge the gap the first line of duty is to fix oneself. If one could get to the point that it's perfectly OK not to know anything one could look at facts as they are and not as proof or support of this that or the other ego trait. We need more humility but that is antithetical to the ego. But we can at least try to look at the fact that what we want to believe and what we believe are pretty much the same thing. Our ego leads us around by the nose.
 
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interchange

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If we didnt believe in the superiority of our own subjective belief systems and reality... we wouldnt believe in it would we... I dont know how to build the gap... but we have to.

The way I see it is that our subjective beliefs become superior when there exists that emotional need, the real fear that one is inferior. Having secrets, special knowledge, divine knowledge, moral truths are ways of feeding self importance and since a feeling of importance is what is sought, we tint our lenses to see opinions that way. So the important point I think isn't really so much that we wouldn't believe what we believe if we didn't believe it superior, but we wouldn't need to believe any of it. So however it is that we bridge the gap the first line of duty is to fix oneself. If one could get to the point that it's perfectly OK not to know anything one could look at facts as they are and not as proof or support of this that or the other ego trait. We need more humility but that is antithetical to the ego. But we can at least try to look at the fact that what we want to believe and what we believe are pretty much the same thing. Our ego leads us around by the nose.

I'm learning to see that there are some fundamental attitudes and behaviors that produce the highest functioning outcome within any society given any set of collective beliefs. And that beliefs are akin to moralism which is in reality purely subjective and fluid over time. The great error of society is judging action on the basis of belief. Moralism exists within us to move our toddler-age vengeance system of negotiating interactions away from ego-centrism into group-centrism. But the higher justice comes from transcending moralism. However, those with the strongest moral prohibitions are best poised to do so as it offers protection should one get into the weeds.
 

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I'm learning to see that there are some fundamental attitudes and behaviors that produce the highest functioning outcome within any society given any set of collective beliefs. And that beliefs are akin to moralism which is in reality purely subjective and fluid over time. The great error of society is judging action on the basis of belief. Moralism exists within us to move our toddler-age vengeance system of negotiating interactions away from ego-centrism into group-centrism. But the higher justice comes from transcending moralism. However, those with the strongest moral prohibitions are best poised to do so as it offers protection should one get into the weeds.
Everything is a belief.
 

interchange

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Everything is a belief.

That's an existential road which bears little fruit with respect to my words. I would say that there are lenses which humans can view things through. They operate in parallel much more than one supersedes another, although they are also hierarchical.
 

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It finished red on friday. Hopefully will be green on tuesday on the NK news, making me profit 6/29 273 calls.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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That's an existential road which bears little fruit with respect to my words. I would say that there are lenses which humans can view things through. They operate in parallel much more than one supersedes another, although they are also hierarchical.

You mentioned beliefs and morality is a system of beliefs. Any substitute would be equivalent. All knowledge is ultimately belief, basic epistemology.
 
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