So what is new?

[Mucman]

Originally posted by: jliechty

Originally posted by: Mucman
It's Neil

At work I am too busy to read anything larger than a paragraph... That really pisses me off because I end up doing work related research at home

At home I am usefully setting up, or programming something or another. I would have much more time if people would just leave me alone

In other words, my reading is usually focused on whatever I am actually working on... I lose focus easily, so if I was to read the latest and greatest articles about OpenBSD + PF I would start working on that when I should be working on migrating my mail server.

My problem is that if I start reading about all sorts of interesting (hardware or software) stuff, I loose track of time and end up not getting done anything useful. So although I used to follow Linux related (not directly kernel stuff, though, because that's way over my head) development pretty closely, I don't read much in that area any more.

Thus, my systems may be somewhat out of date, but I don't really care as long as they're stable and capable of letting me get my work done. So, aside from an occasional trip to Windows Update, or the once or twice weekly running of "apt get update ; apt-get upgrade", my software doesn't get upgraded that much.

BTW, not to go off topic, but I heard Rush's "Freewill" recently, and found that I liked it. So can you recommend a song or two for me to downl^H^H^H^H^Hcheck out?

I hear yeah! It was bad enough when I tried to keep up with computer hardware... keeping up with software is worse!

Nothing wrong with bring Rush into the OS Forum . If you like Freewill, you will like the entire Permanent Waves album... checkout songs like
Jacobs Ladder, and Natural Science.

 

[Bremen]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Its amazing. I cant believe I am the only person interrested enough in his OS of choice to keep up with some of the cutting edge (or atleast edgey) stuff the developers are doing. Is Linux that boring or am I?

Well with linux a distro does not do much beyond repackage software. So if package foo is really neato one has to wait for their distro to incorporate it, or install it themselves (which can be a challenge sometimes). With a BSD, everything is done by one group, so the really neato stuff doesn't go through any middleman :0)

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

bleeding edge os features are one of countless areas you can focus on in the realm of unix nerdery, i've been getting more into netbsd lately, joining more mailing lists, but you can only focus on so many things at once, and there are only so many hours in the day. systrace looks fun, but i'm going to need to do a full backup before i go installing -current, and time is scarce! for some reason a hint of a social life seems to have been creeping up on me lately :Q

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Bremen

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Its amazing. I cant believe I am the only person interrested enough in his OS of choice to keep up with some of the cutting edge (or atleast edgey) stuff the developers are doing. Is Linux that boring or am I?

Well with linux a distro does not do much beyond repackage software. So if package foo is really neato one has to wait for their distro to incorporate it, or install it themselves (which can be a challenge sometimes). With a BSD, everything is done by one group, so the really neato stuff doesn't go through any middleman :0)

The commercial distros typically had a couple of developers on the payroll. The non-commercial developers typically had a developer or two that used that particular distro. I believe Debian takes care of APT (but I really dont know for sure).

Anyhow, I get the point. No one cares about what is happening in the development arena of the OS they use. I am apparently the only one good enough at my job to have a little spare time in the hour or two I have to myself during the day (not during the 12-16 hours Im at work or the 4-6 hours I am asleep) to read a little mailing list here and there, even with this impending war bumping up my schedules.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Anyhow, I get the point. No one cares about what is happening in the development arena of the OS they use. I am apparently the only one good enough at my job to have a little spare time in the hour or two I have to myself during the day (not during the 12-16 hours Im at work or the 4-6 hours I am asleep) to read a little mailing list here and there, even with this impending war bumping up my schedules.

You trying to start an uprising or something? No, you are not the only one "good enough", but definitely one of the extremely few on this forum.

 

[N11]

Originally posted by: Buddha Bart
not a new good thing but i'm sure we all read about redhat's 1-year EOL on consumer versions of their distro.

N11, you've got multiple (dozens?) of redhat machines, have you guys thought out your reaction to this? Upgrade to RHAS? Stick with the consumer version but do complete system upgrades every year?

We're still discussing it. The size of impact has yet to be determined -- 7.3 is now scheduled to be discarded by the end of 2003 from what I've read, and we are heavy 7.3 users.

We are by no means red hat dependant -- nearly all services are taken as source whether that be Apache, Exim, BIND, PHP, Open-SSH and MySQL. Red hat packaging is more relied on for the distro basics (editors, compilers, kernels on occasion, etc.)

Personally, I'm opposed to purchasing AS licenses, I think it would be the wrong decision given the change in support venue.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Anyhow, I get the point. No one cares about what is happening in the development arena of the OS they use. I am apparently the only one good enough at my job to have a little spare time in the hour or two I have to myself during the day (not during the 12-16 hours Im at work or the 4-6 hours I am asleep) to read a little mailing list here and there, even with this impending war bumping up my schedules.

You trying to start an uprising or something? No, you are not the only one "good enough", but definitely one of the extremely few on this forum.

 

[cleverhandle]

A minor, but nice, bit - the next CUPS version will include a Windows IPP client. No more Samba required for printing at least. Other than that, just the usual stuff, GNOME 2.2, KDE 3.1, X 4.3 are all nice.

Anybody know how the GTK2 version of Mozilla is doing?

edit: oh, and RPM 4.2 is "pretty much cooked" according to Jeff, which should fix the database hangs, and maybe relocation, at the cost of possibly hosing older RPM DB's if you're not careful with it.

 

[Mucman]

Thems fighten words there n0c!!!

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: cleverhandle
Anybody know how the GTK2 version of Mozilla is doing?

I don't know, but I hope it is useable soon, Mozilla has a few very annoying bugs with GTK1 (and GTK1 just sucks in general).

 

[N11]

Originally posted by: Panther505
N11- are you running the driver from ATI´s site? If not try that. Last if that doesn´t work then let me know and I will pull my 9700P and take it to work and try it on a 16x12 TFT under RH8 and 7.3


To add to n0c´s thread-

Finally tried SuSe 8.1 (after much grousing) and I think that I will be dropping RH (execpt for RHCE train up). I have a firewall box that I think that I wil try deb on (again) or maybe a *BSD if I can plan the time.

Yes, I tried ATI's driver and cannot get beyond 1280x1024 @ 75 regardless of what I do. I gave it another go tonight with similar results. This is going to be a huge thorn in my ass

edit: interestingly enough I never thought to try an analog feed -- it works at 1600x1200 @ 60 via analog just fine. DVI is the issue.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: N11

Originally posted by: Panther505
N11- are you running the driver from ATI´s site? If not try that. Last if that doesn´t work then let me know and I will pull my 9700P and take it to work and try it on a 16x12 TFT under RH8 and 7.3


To add to n0c´s thread-

Finally tried SuSe 8.1 (after much grousing) and I think that I will be dropping RH (execpt for RHCE train up). I have a firewall box that I think that I wil try deb on (again) or maybe a *BSD if I can plan the time.

Yes, I tried ATI's driver and cannot get beyond 1280x1024 @ 75 regardless of what I do. I gave it another go tonight with similar results. This is going to be a huge thorn in my ass

edit: interestingly enough I never thought to try an analog feed -- it works at 1600x1200 @ 60 via analog just fine. DVI is the issue.

There is no concept of a refresh rate when you're using DVI, however it usually gives you a number like 75 or 60 just because software was designed to always have a refresh rate, so they just report a generic one when using DVI.

 

[N11]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: N11

Originally posted by: Panther505
N11- are you running the driver from ATI´s site? If not try that. Last if that doesn´t work then let me know and I will pull my 9700P and take it to work and try it on a 16x12 TFT under RH8 and 7.3


To add to n0c´s thread-

Finally tried SuSe 8.1 (after much grousing) and I think that I will be dropping RH (execpt for RHCE train up). I have a firewall box that I think that I wil try deb on (again) or maybe a *BSD if I can plan the time.

Yes, I tried ATI's driver and cannot get beyond 1280x1024 @ 75 regardless of what I do. I gave it another go tonight with similar results. This is going to be a huge thorn in my ass

edit: interestingly enough I never thought to try an analog feed -- it works at 1600x1200 @ 60 via analog just fine. DVI is the issue.

There is no concept of a refresh rate when you're using DVI, however it usually gives you a number like 75 or 60 just because software was designed to always have a refresh rate, so they just report a generic one when using DVI.

The problem was trying to get a higher resolution via DVI -- I'm not sure what I did, I removed the ATI driver, reinstalled it, generated a new XFree config file, and am finally getting 1600x1200.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: N11

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: N11

Originally posted by: Panther505
N11- are you running the driver from ATI´s site? If not try that. Last if that doesn´t work then let me know and I will pull my 9700P and take it to work and try it on a 16x12 TFT under RH8 and 7.3


To add to n0c´s thread-

Finally tried SuSe 8.1 (after much grousing) and I think that I will be dropping RH (execpt for RHCE train up). I have a firewall box that I think that I wil try deb on (again) or maybe a *BSD if I can plan the time.

Yes, I tried ATI's driver and cannot get beyond 1280x1024 @ 75 regardless of what I do. I gave it another go tonight with similar results. This is going to be a huge thorn in my ass

edit: interestingly enough I never thought to try an analog feed -- it works at 1600x1200 @ 60 via analog just fine. DVI is the issue.

There is no concept of a refresh rate when you're using DVI, however it usually gives you a number like 75 or 60 just because software was designed to always have a refresh rate, so they just report a generic one when using DVI.

The problem was trying to get a higher resolution via DVI -- I'm not sure what I did, I removed the ATI driver, reinstalled it, generated a new XFree config file, and am finally getting 1600x1200.

Ah. Well, good to see it's working, whatever the problem was